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I think they probably sequenced bnc Castl-- I'm not saying I could do it, but it doesn't sound super hard to lay out. Just listen to it on it's own merits and disregard all comparison to their earlier work. You will enjoy it more. All of "IDM" is dead or dying. Confield and DrukQs were so good that they killed it all. All your superstars are dying. Take what little comes your way now and try and enjoy it, and remember you still have all of the old albums to fall back on and remember the good days. |
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First of all, do you realize that by saying this thing about autechre's worst piss being better than the average critic's best work, you are making an ad hominem attack? In particular, not only are you being a pompous ass, but you are avoiding commenting further on what actually IS good in the album. I read your post twice and could not find a reference to what I actually should appreciate, musically, in the album. The criticism I made, and my interpretation of the other criticisms here, is that the tracks lack structure, and that autechre simply noodled around (expertly) with synth knobs. Individual sounds are carefully crafted, but attention to (any) musical structure is lacking. Sounds almost like a software/hardware demo by a sound engineer. To me, music has to go somewhere. This is essential at all scales. For instance, a melody has a structure and pace one can follow, as does a percussion pattern and a harmonic structure. These things toy with a person's expectations, satisfying and crushing them; a tug-of-war with the listener. I think one thing which makes RDJ's melodies so beautiful is how they both surprise frequently, but also will give exactly what one wants to hear in other places. But just melodies, beat patterns, etc. is not enough structure for me. I like tracks that have a higher level of structure on these smaller structural components. As a description of this, I gave the first track on crunch 1 as a comparison to the first track of quaristice. The latter has the fancy engineering, but the former has shape, and ultimately it is the former which I prefer. so. gl0tch, if you would actually like to talk music here, could you respond to these points. I don't think appreciating and discussing music has to rest on tautoligies. What I mean is, it seems a frequent response to someone not liking music is an elaboration of the statement "you just don't get it", and the only thing one can deduce is "you like it if you like it" (or you convinced yourself to like it, reaso |
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never written a post long enough to trigger that clipping, how frustrating that it reports you have more in the reply box.. anyway, last part was meant to say I'm suspicion of people who only like it because they brainwashed themselves with fifty listens (in order to "get it"). You don't "get" something by beating yourself with it. For analogy, people don't "get" a dictator's ideology by listening to his propaganda 20x a day. You get something by thinking about it. And I've thought about why I can't stand quaristice, and written a little of the reason above. |
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I can't pass final judgment because I only skipped through all the songs on bleep and have not listened to it throughly. That said it does show some promise, I'm glad to hear a return to melodies, but it's still got the odd AE sound experimentation. That's fine and all, but I don't like that taking over the song. I just wish they would go back to a more logical approach like Incunabula, Amber, and Tri-Repetae. |
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im listening to untilted, specifically ipacial section.. it has way more structure than quari.. iera is great too.. lcc has always been one of my favorites from them actually.. some of you say quari has "some of their best sound design", how about.. no? untilted has sound design aeons before say 'bnc castl' i really would like to know what happened. |
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it certainly doesn't sound like they've been using the last 3 years very efficiently... |
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you've been making that point for years. |
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I think from a "sound design" standpoint, Untilted is their worst album by a mile. Those cheesy beeps in Ipacial Section? Everything was just really small and tinny sounding, dry as shit. All Untilted is is a showcase on structure. It took me a long time but eventually I actually warmed up to Untilted. Despite the lackluster sounds, It still has some quality moments. Quaristice didn't take much time at all, every track has much more of a "feel" to it, I have very clear mental pictures for each song. There is plenty of structure to Quaristice. If I compare it to Confield/Gantz/Draft i'd say Quaristice is sub-standard, but by itself it's a solid album and better than most of the latest offerings from the so called Superstars Of IDM. |
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its dreadful. whenever i try to check it out .. i have to listen to 10 minutes of italo disco to recover. |
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yeah i guess i can agree with that. oh well, i dont think i can discuss this much further.. fuck it |
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oh I can't wait for a response to that one |
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I actually agree with a lot of that. I don't generally dislike glotch, but saying that their pisstake tracks are beyond anything other electronica menchildren could do is very silly. You're right - what makes a track is where it goes and how it evolves, how it plays with expectations. That's where the hard work lies. It's very easy to jam about with some wondrous noises you've made, but putting them into something coherent takes effort. But if you're Autechre, perhaps, you can sell a cd of what sounds like pretty lazily cut-down jams and have fans "learn" to like it. |
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There are some very fine moments, though. And I hope the second cd will deliver. They've been great so far, so there's nothing to worry about. |
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I really like a few, and don't care for the rest. Only WNSN would make it onto my favourite Autechre ipod tracks. A disappointing album really, but I still can't wait to see them live. I'd much rather have heard the stuff that never made it onto previous albums, like the 50 tracks that never made it onto Chiastic Slide. Confield souns like pop compared to what they cosidered releasing allegedly, wow, I'd pay big bucks to hear that shit. Hopefully we get 5 volumes of - Autechre: From The Archives |
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* Auchives. |
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Wow. This forum is great. I just found it. Thank God there are other people who like this kind of shit. Confield is an absolute 10/10 classic, one of the greatest recordings ever made. Tri Repetae, Envane, Draft, and mainly LP5 are all unstoppable classics of the genre as well. And Untilted is genius too. Quaristice... hmmm. This shit is crazy. I personally love it. I would consider Draft their most difficult album. At first Quaristice really didn't make any sense, and it was a bit terrifying. Hard to handle. Now I'm really obsessing and loving it. It's all about the programming, the transformation each piece makes from beginning to end. |
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im gonna go get a decent vsti and be better than autechre |
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Well, I guess Autechre's fans are now finally more l33t than Autechre themselves. I enjoy the 5 songs I heard so far, especially Simmm, and while I'm sure that no new ground will be broken, I'm looking forward to receiving the two discs in a few weeks. There's enough detail in these tracks alone to keep me satisfied for quite a while. Who cares about structure. |
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i'm just listening to it for the first time, about half way through the album. so far, my initial reaction is a general curiosity for the sounds. nothing is really getting it's hooks into me just yet. some really great space-filling synths i really digg. the first tracks that really jumped out as interesting to me are IO and Simmm. |
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gl0tch has given me so many lols lately. |
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glad I could help. |
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Wow. After reading through this thread I'm surpised to see all the hate. You really don't like bnc castl? My favorite thing about this group is the suprising shit you slowly uncover as you listen to each track more and more, the intricate structures of the beats, the deconstruction and construction of multiple themes and melodies within each song. And trying to figure out what they did with Max/msp and whatever other devices they use within each song. This album is completely different from anything they have ever released. There are several different completely beatless songs, and the majority of the pieces are under 4 minutes long. If you start to really focus on what's going on there is a small chance that you might enjoy some of this more. Perlence is awesome. So is Simmm. I'm personally not so pleased with some of the ambient pieces. I don't like Steels at all really. But Altibzz is pretty awesome. |
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yeah i actually love BNC castle too. and after further listens im pretty sure its a 100% monomachine composed. no machinedrum at all. the monomachine has a really good sounding sampled drum kit and it has some bad ass bass lines. |
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that snare on bnc castl sounds like the efm sd on 0 decay |
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that track is so good though. one of my faves man |
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so let's "verdict" this :D nothing new to say really... most tracks i still kind of enjoy after say, more then 20 listens... but when almost any track off their catalogue plays after a Quaristice song, the quaristic one absolutely pales in comparison. Just like many people have been experiencing, it's now really fun to listen for previously unheard detail throughout their discography, which is an interesting effect. and sadly, there are some moments of total (obviously TOTAL) crap, - last third of The Plc to name one, annoying as fuck and kills the fun - which are harshly contrasting the quality and fun moments, but yeah sure it's all purposefully masterplanned 8/ still mostly nice to listen to it, especially through a variety of soundsystems in various places... but somehow lacks of... that special sauce... that... would make it great and sexy. oh yeah it's not sexy period. |
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bnc Castl <3 <3 |
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WNSN <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 |
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keep going you big horses arse |
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Auchives. :) Cmon Sean and Rob. |
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Ae are massive fans of the EFM kit, it's plastered all over Untilted. |
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o rly? on which tracks? |
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i second that |
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This is getting pretty lame.. Now, let me tell you something... Quaristice is an album that in my opinion fits just wonderfully in the mighty discography of Autechre. After numerous listens I see it more like a reflection on the band's past than a next step forward - and to be frank - I find that to be a reasonable and appropriate thing for them to do at this stage. It sounds great, should have something to offer for any individual fan regardless of what part of the Ae discography he or she is obsessed with, and - best of all - consists of 20 user friendly pieces that you can listen to - even on random - without having to cancel all other plans for the night. Quaristice is not Autechre jerking off! Rather, it's a meditation on the journey that brought them where they are today: The best, most influential and highly regarded electronic artists at the turn of the century. Thank you - Autechre - for giving us Quaristice instead of a fucking best of album! I'll rate it 8/10 Now, has anyone else noticed how GRAND paralel Suns is? |
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paralel Suns is GRAND and I enjoy it on its own, twinned with simmm (ammmbitious) and in the context of this FUCKING BRILLIANT album. If I want to hear cygnus and futureimage jamming I'd have fucking said so shortly before popping chopsticks into my fucking ears and arse. |
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anybody else getting a Farmers Manual - FSCK vibe off this album ? i havent seen AE this farmers manual esque since the days of GEscom minidisc |
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yes fsck is a fucking brilliant record |
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LCC is pretty much all EFM near-preset drums. I've heard other EFM sounds on that album but fail to recall whereabouts. |
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i cant believe how overwhelmingly positive the initial reactions to this record were, and now everyone hates it. lol. i fucking love it, and it keeps getting better for me. |
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i'm loving it too, without any reservations. |
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I don't hate it, I think it's great. The h8rs will be singing its praises by the end of the year. |
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someone on watmm observed that one of the more recent 2007 AE live sets (2007 UK April 25th Hembsy Pontins holiday park) has a lot more elements from quaristice on it. At first i was just listening to the 2005 glasgow set for reference and i noticed IO and Chenc9 had elements. But now the PLC and others definitely have the 2007 live elements after further listening. There is a lot more paddy synthesizer work going on in the more recent AE live sets that they weren't doing in 2006. |
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haha on the elektron website they have an interview where Autechre talks about how they love the drums on the monomachine! i definitely hear some of that kit in quaristce, its a great drum kit! |
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Do they edit the sounds, though? You said earlier that their use of those machines was amazing... |
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At first i was just listening to the 2005 glasgow set for reference hahahahahahahahahaha you soulless mong |
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it is, i mean a small amount of the songs use some barely tweaked prefab kits on the machinedrum but that doesnt make their overall use of them any less amazing. I mean it seems like a lot more people in the electronic music scene are able to overlook it or make excuses for (its retro dawg, its PHAT, etc) 808 presets, 909 kits, 303s and countless other identifiable kits or patches from commercially manufactured electronic music instruments. I think the fact that Autechre in essence is treating a lot of the MAchine drum + monomachine work jams they do in the same way another musician would be doing a tb303 and 808 jam is a really neat idea, and one that can lead to infinitely more possibilites than the the roland classics. |
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wow ur actually starting to make sense whats going on? (checks head) (checks wifes purse) |
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I liked this album at first, but it's growing on me more than I thought it would with only 3 or 4 solid listens. I agree, the retrospective quality of this doesn't really feel like a negative for me, given everything that happened after the Bold Leap Forward of '99 (or thereabouts). Perfect fusion of the melodic early works with the EP7-Draft sound, with some Untilted + Untilted Live set unabashed fucking fun. Perhaps a necessary step before whatever's to come, unless this is the career capper. I love it, but I need longer tracks. Hard to get a handle on these without just shutting the fuck up and positioning myself between good speakers for the disc's duration. The minidisc comparisons aren't totally off; I'm not sure how well most of the tracks work isolated from one another. Can't wait to get my CD2 in the mail. Guess I'm just a deluded fanboi? omg it's all machinedrum fuck ae. |
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