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offline yann_g from now on 2020-06-07 11:24 [#02602832]
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unorthodox 9/10
a separation 7/10
the wolf of wall street 1/10
in bruges 8/10
the green hornet 7/10
the 5th wave 1/10
nebraska 8/10
captain america 1/10


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2020-06-07 21:14 [#02602879]
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we die young 2/5


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2020-06-07 23:27 [#02602884]
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arrival - trivial piece of shit, cosmos as geopolitics,
human existence as dead daughter


 

offline Tony Danza from why so cow, man? on 2020-06-08 01:22 [#02602898]
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I thought it was a good yarn, not sure I buy the daughter as
a pro natalist symbol rather than a contingent plot device,
the movie wasn't really about that as a theme.

I can't find it right now but I read a review of it that
called it an Obama-era liberal fable about how technocratic
expertise would save us, or words to that effect.


 

offline Tony Danza from why so cow, man? on 2020-06-08 01:25 [#02602899]
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and this may play to the technocratic angle but isn't one of
the points that we need to learn new ways to speak that
transcend a stale geopolitical framing


 

offline Tony Danza from why so cow, man? on 2020-06-08 01:27 [#02602900]
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I hated Captain America the first time, then gave it another
shot and enjoyed it as self parody


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2020-06-08 01:43 [#02602901]
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well, yes, you use the transformative encounter with an
alien language that irreversibly changes the meaning of time
and human existence to improve relations with mean
militaristic china.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2020-06-08 01:47 [#02602902]
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i didn't think so much of the daughter thing as natalist (i
mean it did disgust me like all breeder propaganda does),
it's more that it's such a facile stand-in for what a life
amounts to. you see the child is cute so it was worth it
even though it is sad that she dies.


 

offline Tony Danza from why so cow, man? on 2020-06-08 02:05 [#02602906]
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aw cmon, all the countries are going batshit, as she's
trying to contact china her own army guys are trying to
break in and frag her. what's wrong with a fable about
overcoming nationalism?

i didn't think so much of the daughter thing as natalist
(i mean it did disgust me like all breeder propaganda does),
it's more that it's such a facile stand-in for what a life
amounts to. you see the child is cute so it was worth it
even though it is sad that she dies.


Well yeah that's what natalist / antinatalist positions are
about, is it ultimately worth it, and antinatalists say no.
My own stupid position is that the side you take is
determined by affect and it's very hard to impossible to
argue someone into changing their mind on it. Maybe the
experiences you have change your brain chemistry and you
consequently change your ideas.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2020-06-08 04:35 [#02602912]
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the child is irrelevant i just mean there are other aspects
of life than making a damn baby!! how does she feel about
her own future past the next seven or so years, about her
entire life collapsing into one timeless unit, about being
always already dead and forever reborn. notice she hasn't
even been supplied with a past.

the political fable is unpleasant precisely because it
unthinkingly assumes the most boring crisis of looting and
war as a natural result. that what brings the world together
is a sentimental phone call instead of, you know, the most
significant event in human history that just happened, is
insulting and ideologically foul.


 

offline Tony Danza from why so cow, man? on 2020-06-08 11:50 [#02602917]
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quite naturally amidst all these technocratic and
geopolitical convulsions that atomise, isolate and scatter
us like dust in a whirlwind, what grounds and binds us to
our common humanity, and crystallizes our disparate lives
into a framework of meaning, is our human-scale
relationships to family members, with all their humble
lumps, triumphs and tragedies


 

offline Tony Danza from why so cow, man? on 2020-06-08 12:06 [#02602918]
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otherwise what are we? commoditized, fungible value
generators to be plugged in wherever we're needed, with no
permanent connections or identities aside from our credit
histories and drug prescriptions


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2020-06-08 12:27 [#02602920]
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yeah i mean you're really solidifying the reactionary themes
there haha

there's a lot more to common human experience than family
trees. i like weather and seasons myself, and joke's and
stories and myths and dreams and trauma and the desperate
search for justice in an unjust universe. i don't hate
humanity enough to believe that such a worldchanging event
would divide instead of unit us.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2020-06-08 12:35 [#02602921]
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plus, look, this is not actually a story about humanity.
it's a story about two characters, the linguist woman
convincing the bad chinese general to be good instead. great
man theory with humanity as the background threat.
unsurprisingly, there seems to have been none of that in the
original short story. it's trivial screenwriter
but-there-needs-to-be-conflict nonsense.


 

offline Tony Danza from why so cow, man? on 2020-06-08 13:59 [#02602924]
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They're not great men, the plot twist is that their saving
grace is the small particulars and personal details of their
individual lives, and how they connect through that rather
than through an abstract generalized sense of "humanity".
And if you're going to celebrate mass man and myth at the
expense of the personal connections between particular
lives, isn't that the real fascism? And isn't myth full of
great men?

I'm going to recommend another sci fi movie about mass man
versus personal connection, it is called The Giver. trigger
warning it also has babies


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2020-06-08 16:46 [#02602930]
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by myths i meant the folk stories that connect us over the
world and through time >_< stop misunderstanding me i've
been an universalist on record


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2020-06-08 16:51 [#02602931]
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like, shit, you know what i mean, you read the epic of
gilgamesh and you think hey yeah i relate to whoever thought
this up


 

offline DADONCK from here on 2020-06-08 23:34 [#02602960]
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LAZY_TITLE


 

offline Tony Danza from why so cow, man? on 2020-06-09 01:44 [#02602962]
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I will not be baited into making an "I identify as Sumerian"
joke. Nice try, dariusgriffin.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2020-06-09 02:37 [#02602964]
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if i was in a cave i would make hella cave paintings


 

offline Tony Danza from why so cow, man? on 2020-06-09 13:58 [#02602971]
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I just enjoy watching the cool shadows tbh

"Cool shadows. Recommended!" - Rotten Tomatoes


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2020-06-09 21:52 [#02603004]
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i read that stallone himself has said that escape plan 2 is
a horrible movie


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2020-06-10 00:52 [#02603018]
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encounters between the personal and the cosmic is one of my
favourite kinds of story, here's a few good ones
abel ferrara's 4:44 the chillest of apocalypse movies
solaris of course
close encounters of the third kind the one with the bad
family man
even the supposedly cold 2001 with its people jogging and
having birthdays and playing chess and space toilet

arrival only pretends to be like these so it can better sell
its banal story of conflict and growth


 

offline Tony Danza from why so cow, man? on 2020-06-10 03:41 [#02603038]
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The common thing in Close Encounters and 2001 was people
turning their backs on their families and their humanity and
undergoing transcendence and transfiguration, and in Arrival
just the opposite happens, and that bugs you ideologically
not because it's a bad movie I think. (it's also for sure
not as good as those other ones)

I watched Close Encounters again not long ago and it holds
up so well, even the effects look fresh. Good old Richard
Dreyfuss and his mashed potatoes.

4:44 I've not seen, have to add it to my list.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2020-06-10 04:17 [#02603039]
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no i mean i think close encounters dad is very much in the
wrong, but that's what makes the movie interesting! i like
families to be depicted as real social entities, more than
generators of fuzzy feelings

the most striking thing about close encounters is the
robertaltmanness of it imo


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2020-06-25 23:28 [#02604231]
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the gunman - 4/5


 

offline Portnoy on 2020-07-06 13:18 [#02604990]
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true story - 2.7/5 - wonderfully average with just enough
intrigue to keep you occupied for 90 minutes


 

offline Tony Danza from why so cow, man? on 2020-07-13 01:45 [#02605418]
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Synecdoche New York, gonna give this a little over 4/5
because I felt the absurdity detracted from the tragedy in a
way that made the film less engaging.

Anomalisa, Charlie's next turn in the director's chair, was
arguably less tragic and more absurd (stop motion, Tom
Noonan's voice) but far more engaging and moving.


 


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