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Sido Dyas
from a computer on 2003-05-17 16:41 [#00703043]
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"you guys"
Non christians?
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2003-05-17 16:41 [#00703044]
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Pwah pwah pwah! *makes rapid hand motions*
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-05-17 16:42 [#00703047]
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a snotty 24 year old kid who hasnt insulted you or done anything other than state an opposing opinion to yours...
hmm.
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-05-17 16:42 [#00703048]
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ok
dont assume for a second you can answer all the questions of life with science. thats not 'realistic' at all i dont think
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2003-05-17 16:43 [#00703049]
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No, some non-believers think Christianity is "OK with them" and even "teaches some good morals". I say NO. It teaches servitude, self degradation, fear, and above all blind ignorance of the real world. Hardly OK with me.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-05-17 16:43 [#00703050]
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nod, mappatazees view seems to be that if you don't believe what he believes, you're an ignorant loser whom he wants to slap... you go around acting like you have everything figured out, but you don't... you seem to be retreating into a corner now...
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corngrower
from the fertile grounds of Iowa, w (United States) on 2003-05-17 16:44 [#00703051]
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wow, this thread really degraded into cheap back and forth insults just like every other religion thread I've read here! You guys are so cool!
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-05-17 16:44 [#00703053]
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how do you define snotty?
not thinking what YOU think?
THAT sounds like servitude to me... expecting me to yes-man you... like i said, you have a god complex.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2003-05-17 16:45 [#00703055]
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To clarify rockenjohnny, no I don't think everything can be answered with science, nor do I think it will ever be. But using reality and logic are the only methods to answer anything truthfully.
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mimi
on 2003-05-17 16:46 [#00703056]
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i think it's all in the delivery.
you guys have both been outrageously snotty.
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corngrower
from the fertile grounds of Iowa, w (United States) on 2003-05-17 16:46 [#00703057]
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my dad could beat up your dad!
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corngrower
from the fertile grounds of Iowa, w (United States) on 2003-05-17 16:47 [#00703059]
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my god could crush your god!
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2003-05-17 16:47 [#00703060]
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My big problem with Christianity is that it view the human beings as essentially bad from the begining and that we will transend to something better. I like being human and I can't think of anything better than being one.
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DiaZoHeXagoN
from The city of angels (United States) on 2003-05-17 16:47 [#00703061]
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Sido I must say that avatar kicks ass
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-05-17 16:47 [#00703062]
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there only IS one God, so go figure.
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corngrower
from the fertile grounds of Iowa, w (United States) on 2003-05-17 16:48 [#00703064]
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really? well fuck me!
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-05-17 16:48 [#00703065]
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no thanks
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2003-05-17 16:48 [#00703066]
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Hey, there's a snotty comment.
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mimi
on 2003-05-17 16:49 [#00703067]
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both sides could probably get along a lot better if they concentrated on being civil to each other. my guess is that a lot of non christians see christians as acting holier than though, and a lot christians see non-believers as being bitter and more close-minded than they think they are.
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corngrower
from the fertile grounds of Iowa, w (United States) on 2003-05-17 16:49 [#00703068]
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please? Im begging you!
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DiaZoHeXagoN
from The city of angels (United States) on 2003-05-17 16:49 [#00703071]
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I apologize if I have come off like a jerk Im not trying to fight.......
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-05-17 16:50 [#00703072]
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oops!
sorry, i forgot i was under the microscope of scrutiny.
i guess humor negates my existance
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mimi
on 2003-05-17 16:50 [#00703073]
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my conclusion is that everyone is an idiot!
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2003-05-17 16:50 [#00703074]
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HAH!
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-05-17 16:50 [#00703075]
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there is no civility when someone starts a thread about a "christian plague"
what are YOU thinking?!?!?!?!?!
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corngrower
from the fertile grounds of Iowa, w (United States) on 2003-05-17 16:50 [#00703076]
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well, that's what socrates said...
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2003-05-17 16:51 [#00703078]
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The whole concept of having a soul is just silly
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mimi
on 2003-05-17 16:51 [#00703080]
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well of course it's going to be awful in this thread, but in other venues...
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2003-05-17 16:52 [#00703081]
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Why yes, I do concur 010101, well said.
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-05-17 16:52 [#00703083]
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we'll all see how silly the concept is one day...
i personally enjoy my soul...
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-05-17 16:52 [#00703085]
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in other venues, id have a black eye from punchy over here.
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Sido Dyas
from a computer on 2003-05-17 16:53 [#00703086]
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Yeah how can we believe in an afterlife when there isn't even evidence of a soul ?
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-05-17 16:54 [#00703087]
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makes you wonder who is open-minded and who isnt.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2003-05-17 16:54 [#00703088]
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Okay tibbar: 1. What was it like before you were born? nothing 2. What is it like when you are unconscious? nothing 3. Now what is it going to be like when you die? nothing
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2003-05-17 16:54 [#00703089]
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Give me some proof of the existence of a soul.
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2003-05-17 16:54 [#00703090]
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Give me some proof of the existence of a soul.
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mimi
on 2003-05-17 16:54 [#00703091]
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that's depressing
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-05-17 16:54 [#00703093]
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it seems in these discussions there are some who will take pleasure in downing upon anothers belief system. its not on at all in my book.
who is a person to say another is wrong... my own views are personal. i can see already that my disagreement is met with another question
all i can do is reflect again from my own experiences. that is all that is expected of me. it is important to question, but just as important to be humble.
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DiaZoHeXagoN
from The city of angels (United States) on 2003-05-17 16:54 [#00703095]
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okay explain why
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2003-05-17 16:55 [#00703098]
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If you can't even quantify it, then it doesn't exist.
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-05-17 16:55 [#00703099]
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hahahaha map has seen it all... conscious, unconscious... well well well... you must have experienced all there is, huh?
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DiaZoHeXagoN
from The city of angels (United States) on 2003-05-17 16:56 [#00703101]
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you said that beautifully man! I agree
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-05-17 16:56 [#00703104]
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well, this is the dividing line... i dont buy human logic as the be all end all, so there you go... there is where we seperate then.
i believe things exist outside of what you or i have seen or felt.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-05-17 16:56 [#00703106]
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why?
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-05-17 16:57 [#00703111]
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i had the same thought in post #2
but i held back from saying that.
:)
indeed how can one expect to be perceived as being open minded when they present an intolerant front?
i guess its all a bit of learning curve though
ive sure had my moments when i was a bit younger, and i thought i knew it all, thought i was hot shit.
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corngrower
from the fertile grounds of Iowa, w (United States) on 2003-05-17 16:57 [#00703112]
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do you believe god to be an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent being?
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mimi
on 2003-05-17 16:57 [#00703113]
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My favorite part of this debate is that everyone knows who the openminded one is, and it's not their opponent!
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2003-05-17 16:58 [#00703115]
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Well really, come on and think about it for a minute tibbar. What happens when your brain stops functioning: nothing. Your state of existence is grounded by real physical processes in your brain, nothing else. As I've said in another thread, you can probe your brain, destroy certain parts, stimulate others, and it has a direct effect on your state of consciousness, personality, emotion, etc. Everything that makes you, you, is contained in the cells of your brain and of your body. Nowhere else.
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-05-17 16:59 [#00703117]
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yes, i most certainly do.
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DiaZoHeXagoN
from The city of angels (United States) on 2003-05-17 16:59 [#00703118]
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we cant see black holes can we? yet we know they exist.......
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