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The denouement of a novel is generally written to coincide with the setup of the previous chapters. |
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i'd like to see a scientist who uses that argument. |
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Then perhaps you ought not to use it as evidence. |
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I once heard about one of Darwin's contemporaries making the comment that he felt evolution was important to him not because of the overwhelming evidence that supported it but rather because the idea of a judging God really rained on his beliefs of sexual freedom. I don't think most atheists would come out and make those arguments though. |
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I wanted you to look at the messianic prophecies, which I am pretty well versed in. |
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FUCK PROPHECIES, FUCK SCIENCE, FUCK CHRISTIANITY, FUCK LOGIC, FUCK JESUS, FUCK ELECTRICITY, FUCK FAITH, FUCK GRAVITY, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY FUCK EVERYONE. ITS JUST A FUCKING BOOK, JUST BECAUSE YOU READ SOMETHING DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE! ITS JUST YOUR GODDAMN BELIEF AND YOU TAKE IT TOO FUCKING SERIOUSLY. |
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I find it funny how upset you get weatherstoner, at others pushing their religion on you and how they tell you how wrong you are for not believing in God. Yet what the fuck are you doing? You are telling us we are wrong and that we are idiots for believing, you are just as bad as what you hate! You dont even have any decent opinions or agruments. I fully respect fleetmouse, because he actually has some good points, whereas you need to look in the mirror. |
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well it seems that many of you take opposing it very seriously .. allow me to close with a few scriptures I believe sum up the climate that has been a running theme throughout this thread. (This is Jesus speaking) John 15:18-19 18"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. (this describes the two witnesses of revelation, which I believe may be figurative of the church, after the beast finally kills them) Revelation 11:8-12 8Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. 9For three and a half days men from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. 10The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth. 11But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. 12Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on. |
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BTW I wasn't trying to push this on anyone, but I felt there were some gratuitous attacks being made and needed a reasonable defense. |
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fleetmouse I will look more into the Tyre prophecy and get back to you on it. |
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no perhaps I got out of hand there, I wasnt trying to attack weathered, I just think he needs to take a step back and realize that he is doing what he hates so much. Glasse, you are the man! You went about this the right way... |
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well I don't know if any of you saw in another thread, but I know tibbar irl and wanted to get his back. |
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you sound a bit serious yourself there buddy. |
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12Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on. as if this isnt plausable enough already, it was written in a book and therefore must be true i thought i saw/was god once but a short while later i realized i was f*cked out of my head on ketamine. if heaven is like that ill be one happy chappie! btw has anyone seen the film naked? in it the main character goes on about how humans will evolve untill they transcend matter, into a species of pure thought, a collective being, into god.. its just as plausable as any other god theories, altho im positive it was phrased more convincingly in the film than this post |
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I once heard about one of Darwin's contemporaries making the comment that he felt evolution was important to him not because of the overwhelming evidence that supported it but rather because the idea of a judging God really rained on his beliefs of sexual freedom. Even if Darwin had been an ardent Satanist and had said things like "I want there not to be a God because I do not want to be punished eternally for sodomizing children", it would have zero weight on the argument for the existence of God or the evidence for evolution. Do you not get that? Science is about fact, not desire; about the way things have shown themselves to be, not about what we would prefer. |
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the same could be said for christianity. its not about base desires, its about what we believe to be fact. |
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A Hare Krishna could say the exact same thing. |
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yes they could, but they lack the one thing that all "religions" other than christianity have... a saviour. that might mean nothing to you, but it does to alot of people. |
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The one thing that Taoism has that all other "religions" lack is the Tao. The highest goodness is like water. Water easily benefits all things without struggle. Yet it abides in places that men hate. Therefore it is like the Tao. |
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well, one of the points of christianity is that man can never follow any set of laws or ordinances, therefore it is necessary that God incarnate himself in flesh to battle evil face to face. |
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To hold until full is not as good as stopping. An oversharpened sword cannot last long. A room filled with gold and jewels cannot be protected. Boasting of wealth and virtue brings your demise. After finishing the work, withdraw. This is the Way of Heaven. |
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Christianity has been hijacked -- all real christians should call themselves something else to dissociate with the right-wing intolerant hijackers. |
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A lot of wrong has been commited in the name of Christianity. |
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The Tao Te Ching is probably the only "spiritual" text that doesn't make me retch. I like the . But there are . |
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diablo: ah, this is the eternal debate AGAINST christianity, and no doubt... it's all true!!! no real christian denies it. horrible things have been done in the name of God. however, this is human error. this is the SIN that christians are talking about. we arent perfect, like some try to seem. rather, we are attempting to find a balance with God. |
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for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God. |
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there is a difference between saying we're not perfect and going to south america and torturing and killing the people who weren't christians, and then causing permanent loss of ancient texts and libraries. Like I said, real christians should adopt a new name and start attacking the Unchristian 'Christians' vociferously. |
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The Tao that can be followed is not the eternal Tao. The name that can be named is not the eternal name. The nameless is the origin of heaven and earth While naming is the origin of the myriad things. Therefore, always desireless, you see the mystery Ever desiring, you see the manifestations. These two are the same-- When they appear they are named differently. This sameness is the mystery, Mystery within mystery; The door to all marvels. |
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i live in the southern part of the u.s., which is known as the bible belt. t fucking sux becuz everyone in this area is hypocritical and think they can do whatever they want, but all they have to do is say 'i luv god' and it's all better. i like the morals of religion, but i fucking hate people who see god as being more important than the people around them. that's fucking stupid. |
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but a real christian walks the line between war and peace. someone who truly love the Lord would never do those horrible, pre-meditated things. i mean, those people had to think about it ALOT, and STILL decided it was a good idea. they had no peace. they had no love. but at the same time, why should i call myself anything else? i am what i am, a follower of the messiah. |
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like bruce lee, i must be firm, yet flexible. |
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why do you feel like you need to have faith in god? what's the downside of not being religous? why does it make you happy to be religous? |
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christians desperately trying to tell other ppl what to think about them annoy the fuck outta me |
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well, it's like in the matrix... everything changes... and WHO wants to be blind? not i. i have always, even when i wasn't a christian, wanted to know exactly what was out there. why am i here? because of these questions, i followed a path which led here. and it is the single belief system in which i have felt hope and true love. nothing else changed my life or interacted with my life even, like this has. |
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my wife's family are so-called 'christian' and I've never met such a bunch of ignorant fucks before -- for instance, anything they do bad, they say is satan doing it... they're addicted to pain-killers and pills -- and they torment and mistreat my wife because she is the only one who doesn't, and refuses to get them for them -- she is the only loving member of her family, the only true 'christian' and they treat her like shit -- that kind of rank hypocrisy makes me mad as hell. |
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jaroen: think whatever you like, but your ignorance is not my fault. |
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someone who truly love the Lord would never do those horrible, pre-meditated things. Ah, the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. Is there no objection to Christianity that cannot be dispelled with the proper mental gymnastics? |
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i hate christians who try to convert you. to me, it's like soliciting and i hate solicitors. |
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marlowe: that is very very sad. people liek that dont know what it means to have God. they have a crutch, and it isnt God who they are relying on, obviously. |
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my friend's parents are the same way. they treat her like shit becuz she refuses to follow through with their beliefs and she just tries to be herself. i hate them so much cuz they make her feel uncomfortable about being herself. stupid stupid fucks... |
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why do you rely on god? are you incompetent? |
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hey i aint insulting you... dont tell me im ignorant or something like that... as most christians say when under attack: im free to believe whatever i want |
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yes they do say that. when you disagree with a christian, rather than retaliate, they look at you like you're hopeless. that makes me laugh. |
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fleet: you, like jaroen and most other members in this topic, want very much to believe christians are nothing more than snakes in the grass. i have no reason to be honest with you, and have agreed on many points of the attitudes and actions of supposed "saved" individuals. you can think whatever you like, and pigeonhole everyone who wears a cross, but that makes you no better than the nazis or skinheads. dont be like that, i beg you. try and imagine i am a person just like you. |
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tibbs, your attack on jAroen was unwarranted - he didn't diss all christians, just those that try to actively impose their beliefs on others - a fair comment, which also applies to lots of other groups of people. |
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excuse me, no reason NOT to be honest with you, but youll likely also harp on this typo, as well |
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was it unwarranted? i think its rather unfair to create a topic called "christian plague" and pigeonhole all believers. so now you tell me, what exactly is unwarranted? |
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i hold totally nothing against you tibbar, and imo you are a fine member of this community its just that the christians who want everyone to think like them have to stop that shit, if they wanna get respected for their beliefs they'd better let other people think whatever they want |
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i didnt start this thread, nor did i diss every christian in the world, friends of mine are christian... |
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but to generalise is dangerous. people say the christians are ruining this world, and it is a cop-out. we are ALL ruining it. everyone form every culture. |
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