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Now that this is settled we can go on talking about porn: so all porn actors should unite and get all filesharing services closed as so many porn flicks get shared for free on Avi and DivX. I mean, those people work hard as anyone and do things they love and some of it do it beautifully... Apologises for joking, I just thought that everyone will be surprised about me going such a long way without mentioning porn. Anyway, I'm leaving for a meeting now and will have to put the future of this world into your hands. Be careful what you do!!! |
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as a professional illustrator [i get paid for art adn that is how i eat and pay rent]. i can't believe how ignorant most of you are on this topic! quivulumm is right on this [i'll assume he is an artist too] you blokes don't seem to understand that the same way you go to your careers, music is the artists career. there is a reason they are signed and getting paid and you are not. it's c alled devotion. listen to their music and then listen to yr own and then take yr head out of yr arse. you may say, 'anyone can do that, i just need the time!' well no shit, that's why they should be paid for it! music is as much an art as it is a skill! w/o one you cannot have the other. you say that being a doctor is a job and not an art form. well fuhk to that! i'd like to see you perform the simplist of operations. to be good at what you do, you need to devote yr whole life to it. some ignorant arse used van gogh as an example > he painted and only sold one painting, but kept doing it for the love. you are mad! he did it because it was the only thing he knew how to do!!!! that goes for musicians, and doctors and the whole god damn planet. i realise that most of you are all too young to understand this, but one day you will find out what it is you want to do, and when you do, you won't settle for anythign else. that's devotion. and that is why musicians should get paid, and paid ten fold of what they do now. so drop the heinous jealousy and get off this guys case! |
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This is a troll. Technological advances have rendered many forms of income obsolete. |
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I'd just like to say that here in Germany NO-ONE buys CDs any more and I think it's a disgrace! Every time I buy a new CD, no matter what genre or how big the label it's on is I get the stupid reaction: "Why didn't you just download it off the 'net like a normal person?" I've noticed in the last 2 or 3 years that it's steadily got really really bad and I feel for these artists like quivulumm and others whose CDs aren't getting bought because it's less hassle/costs less to just download it off the net. If I download an album and find I'm listening to it a lot I'll buy it, if not, I won't listen to it. There's no problem there. But If you get pleasure out of something that someone has most likely slaved over for months/years you should pay up. |
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I don't feel sorry for people that use the excuse "that is all that I can do" if thats teh case go shoot yourself and get it over with. How pathetic can you get man. People should never enter the music business thinking they can live off of it. It should start as a hobby and if you make a few bucks from it, hey good for you. The other person that goes into it thinking "oh look I can be rich like aphex twin! that deal was a matter of being in the right place at the right time. Hell you can't even make money from selling computers these days let alone making music. If for some reason you think that being a doctor is ANYTHING like an artist than you have your head up your ass. doctors are well paid and they well damned deserve it. It takes a lot of hard work to be a doctor, not 2 keyboards and a microphone. What kind shit analogy was that, skodt? |
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well put skodt, i think people in this thread are being deliberately obtuse, its simple being a musician or actor or painter is no different from any other profession, im not saying a musician deserves more money thatn anyone else, just that they deserve a living wage |
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Plus this is just something you are all going to have to live with, if these technological were available back in the yester-years, then it would have been the same. You can whine and bitch all you want, but some things these days just wont make you money like they did 10 years ago. Well said inverted whale. |
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heh. meho's thoughts are very romantic and philosophical, but they don't fit in this society, do they? in this society everything revolves around money. sure artists should make money, ideally they shouldn't, but that's no way to live. i don't believe, however, they'd sell more if filesharing had never been invented. it's simply unprovable. there has always been the alternative scene, whether it's idm or not. there are lots of talented bands that struggle to survive. don't blame us. don't generalize |
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there is no such thing as art, no such thing as genius. it is hard work that makes musicians improve. that takes time. If you believe in stealing music, or beleive that work that is called "art by you is different to other work then you must reject the entire market based society (not strictly capitalism) & you should steal everything. Anarchy I suppose. OK. it is like any insustry which is made obsolete by advances or alternatives. but in this case, it is made obsolete by illegal theft. Fine, so steal all you need and see how society ends up. |
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Downloading music is the best thing to happen in recent years. If you want to point the finger at crooks who rip off artists then look no further than record companies. I get paid a shit wage and don't see why I should have to pay a ridiculous amount of money for a CD so Aphex Twin can buy another house in Wales or another bloody tank. By talking about music in terms of a commodity you are detracting from its truly intrinsic value; that of art. Of course we live in a neo-liberal free-market society where the dollar is all and where everything is commodified. If you want to change the character of music creation and distribution start asking questions about the society in which it is produced and consumed. |
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thankyou phatbert, im not against try before you buy, but who does that, why would people buy a CD when they have MP3s that are barely distinguishable in quality to the CD (and then distinguishable only to a few) |
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that's what i'm saying (or tried to say) :) |
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for every artist earning aphexs wages, there are hundreds who are lucky to earn a few thousand euros a year |
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don't you think it did start as a hobbie? i've been doing music for 8 years now. i have every intention of entering the music scene, and already have. true it doesn't come all at once, but once you have become established, and something tears that away from you, it isn't exactly the most decent thing to have some thirteen year olds [with the narrow mind set that accompanies those of little/no worldly experience] say 'go get another job, why should i pay you for your music' how self-centered can you get? and the analogy is sound my friend. i just graduated with honours from a course that has the highest workload in north america. the illustration course i was in was tied at #1 with stanford medical for workload. being an artist or a musician or a doctor doesn't just happen. you can't jsut wake up and have a complete understanding of the anatomy or composition and dynamic. it take s years of sloid devotion to attain this knowledge, and once you have spent this much time doing something that society needs, then damn straight you should be paid for it! i'd hate to imagine a world with no art, with no music, with no doctors, i hope you can grasp how integral these all are. the next time you feel like making yrself look like an arse, think about what it is you are about to say and ask yrslef, do i really know anything about this?' chances are, you don't. i'd advise you to either learn about it or keep yr trap shut. |
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that was for narkotik>my follow up doesn't work for some reason. |
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yeah, lots of people make music since the advent of software synthesis, but most of them pursue music purely as a hobby, great. but if you want to make music your CAREER, you MUST devote normal professional working hours to it, otherwise youll just be another MP3.com artist - |
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my god, you sound so frustrated. every succesful artist will tell you the same story: it's rough breaking through, getting the first success. tool made 10 million dollars last year, but i bet they had to scrape together all their pennies when they first started out. it was no different for them than it must be for you. except in today's music, idm is not popular whatsoever, only among a relatively small number of ppl, while grungy rock was hot when tool got succesful. |
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"... otherwise youll just be another MP3.com artist" That is my worst nightmare... |
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who ? me? i am frustrated, i make some money through selling CDs and vinyl, but the ratio of people downloading my music to buying it is about 10 to 1 |
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Do you think Paul McCartney thinks of the millions of people who handed over their hard-earned cash for Beatles albums when he sits on top of his £715,000,000? |
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quivvuulum: you say you're an artist, have you heard of Pump Audio? You can send them a CD of your tracks and they'll pay you if they licence it to any of their customers (MTV etc.) There's no monthly/annualy charge. Just send them a CD and if they like it and can persuade their customers to licence it off them you'll get half the amount they're paid. Might help as a bit more income. Just a thought. www.pumpaudio.com |
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True, but that's because the record companies make a quick buck from marketing Britney Spears to kids rather than distributing music by people like you. Don't blame ordinary people who have a passion for music yet can't afford to buy music in any great numbers. |
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paul mcartney? im talking of people like; squarepusher, cylob, muziq, luke vibert (the last two have children to feed and clothe). These are your musical icons, yet they live on next to nothing, purely because of MP3 pirating |
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do you shoplift too? |
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thanks phatbert, ill have a look at that |
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I think if there are any people likely to buy the cd's after hearing the mp3s, its the people here, so we can't be blamed and called 'scum' |
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I used to when I worked for a certain main street retailer. So? These artists you talk of are exploited by the record compaies not us. How do you think the record compaies make such vast profits? Where does that wealth come from? Its not an anomaly. |
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quivvuulum: shouldn't you be making some tunes now instead of teaching us morals on the messageboard? if you spend too much time here you might end up on MP3.com... |
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or bullshitting about his identity and expecting some credibility |
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IF IT WASNT FOR THIS MESSAGEBOARD I WOULDNT HAVE AS MUCH DOPE ASS MUSIC!!!!! I copped a lot of suggestions from my brethren on this forum.... SO I WOULD like to thank Phobiazero for this site and all the aphextwin.nuers for all the great music TIPS!!! I discovered AE (back in 2000 me think) through this board and they are great!!! SO thanx thanx.. A lot of electronic artists SHOULD thank PHOBIAZERO and company for a LOT OF SALES thats my word!!!! ;) |
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And tell me; have you ever, in your life, taped albums off of friends rather than buying them? What's the difference? There was a campaign in the 80s to stop people copying using audio tapes. There were labels on records saying thet "piracy is killing music". Is it dead yet? |
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the fact is that the music industry as a whole is dying, and if they'll pump money in new artists, it'll be britney or n'sync clones. they need the money to survive, they don't care about the music. you should sell your soul and make a commercial tune ;) |
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you think rephlex are rich? or any of the labels you puport to support |
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you are arguing for theft mate |
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Has anyone read against the recording industry? You should... |
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*purport (sp?) |
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I don't support any labels. If such labels supported US they'd pay their artists more and charge us less. I'll ask again, where do the vast profits of record companies come from? And if by mentioning Rephlex you were referring to small labels who don't make as much profit then you have to ask questions about the nature of the music industry and free-market capitalism. Check out theories of monopoly capitalism. |
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rephlex,warp,planetmu you think these are part of some evil empire? grow up |
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"All property is theft". |
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Which artist are you? Or are you just Kara again? |
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i think the effect of filesharing is bigger for smaller artists like you than for big artists. but if your theory is correct then 'our' theft will come hit us in the face in a few years, right? because all the small artists have either died breadless or found jobs at mcdonalds? i can't see it happening |
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Grow up? I'm not the one with a naive idea of how the music industry functions, or economics for that matter. |
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those small labels have staff, they burn the CDs, pay for distribution/advertising/advances/equipment/studio time - none of them make masses of money, thats not what im talking about. just a LIVING wage for musicians who are mentioned all the time on this board for a start |
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if you love music and want to devote your life to it, that's fine - become like a monk - the arrogance of thinking you are superior or more devoted to music because you are signed is nauseous - i hope you DO become homeless you fucking schmuck -- just thank god you're not forced to live in pig shit in a destitute country you piece of worthless crap. if your music is anything like you, i'll bet it is just a whining noise for 10 minutes followed by a pitiful cry at the end... i work damned hard and have to rise at 5am 6 days a week, yet i devote many hours per day not only to my music, but also to my writing and my martial arts - i have had interest from a record label, but i don't want to be signed, that's history - making money from the LOVE of musicmaking is gone - accept it -- if you want to make money from it, whore your music to Corporations to sell their next slice of banal life. there are more than 8 hours in a day, so don't give this bullshit about having to devote every second of the day to it - i'll bet most recording artists do NOT devote most of their day to their music....creativity is never constant. ...and also, most people's greatest works came as a result of poverty and stress and having to hold down a job (OH THE HORROR!!)-- once they became rich, their art lost a lot of its meaning |
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jonesy: that comparison doesn't really work nowadays! think about it.... back then> i want to tape metallica's and jsutice for all off you. cool thanks man! here's master of puppets. do you have ride the lightning? no? shit i'll have to go buy it then. now> do you have ride the lightning? no? i'll jsut check out soulsearch or audiogalaxy, or kazaa, or iswap, etc these are linked all over the world! it is definately hurting the artists. i do agree though, that the music labels and distributor's are fucking it up the most. they need to be stopped> more so than downloading. at least there are quite a bit of genuine 'try before you buy' myself included. [but only since that cute girl at the return counter at hmv quit working there! =)] |
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when in history have small artists ever been able to live off their art? never and it does smell like trolls in here :) |
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i hope you think that if you get burgled soon |
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Well if you are talking about smaller artists securing a decent wage or standard of living then form a trade union. That's what the rest of us have been doing for the past 200 years. Trade unions give you the bargaining power to secure a larger share of the profit from your employer. |
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if you bothered to read the whole thread, you will realise you are wrong |
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is cylob a small artist? |
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