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Thank god!, for all the musicians who are being ripped off by their so-called fans. Maybe IDM musicians will be able to get a living wage from their music for a change. No more macJobs, just fair payment for their work. Hurray! |
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once i get a better income, i'll buy shit loads more... dont you worry! |
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same here...i'm a poor bastard that loves music.... |
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yeah i love porsches, but cant afford them, so its okay for me to steal them. Get real kids, you are ripping off your favourite artists, its as simple as that, please stop, get a job or something, or just wait until you have a job. Its immoral |
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R...Richard??? Is that you!??? Hey everyone !! Its Richard D. James!! :-D just gimmi a couple of months ok ! |
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Depends how you look at it. I like to hear stuff before I buy it. My local record shop will not play stuff to you. IDM is not in the charts so you cannot hear it there. The only place to hear it is over the internet. The astrobotnia stufff is a case in point. Rephlex put the mp3 files up on their website for free DL but I am sure loads of peopl ehave bought it none the less. Support the artists for sure but I think music has to be freely accessible so as wider audience can hear it. |
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mp3 is for musicians also a way to get fans to buy their releases. i download some songs of an unknow artist and if i like what i hear i buy his album. if i couldny hear to this mp3 files, surely ill never buy his album... |
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you are in the wrong. Thats one of the things that disgusts me about this board, the endless messages about downloading mp3s, some of you guys suck |
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KaZaA: 1.350.000 users online sharing 220.657.000 files ....and that's just one network. There's more shared stuff online now than in Napster's best days.... |
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mp3s are great for exposure! there mostly research for me most times. i've discovered so much from mp3 sharing. and as for the free astrobotnia mp3s on rephlex, yes i did buy it also. |
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i know many artists who HAVE to work in macJobs JUST because people like you illegally download pirated copies of their music. Im sorry but there really is NO argument. IDM artists sell very few records, but have masses of people downloading pirated MP3s. If you and 10000 other people download somes MP3s rather than buying their CDs, you are depriving them of their livelyhood |
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theres no argument here, its patently illegal and causes deprivation for the artists |
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BTW i am just talking about pirating of copyright music, not MP3.com kind of stuff |
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mr. obvious says: make cds cheaper! besides, i, for one, only burn rare cds/tracks on cdr. |
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not all artists agree with you. how come? |
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But it's not just the stuff that's on official releases that isn't available anymore. Lookadis: I did a search on Audiogalaxy for Radiohead (OK, I know they're not to a lot of people's taste on this MB, but they are one of the most bootlegged bands around) and found that absolutely everything was copyright restricted. Even stuff like "Johnny Greenwood talks about new album" and inscrutably named tracks like "1s". Wha? Why? |
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do you know what percentage an artist gets from the sale of a CD? it works out to less than 1 euro per CD. average sales of IDM artist album = 2500 you work it out |
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i thought it was proved filesharing does not affect record sales as much as they want us to believe? and a poll on this site said the majority of the ppl here didn't buy less records than before filesharing. |
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yeah, check out the poll. |
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Exactly. Which is why your typical IDM (ugh) artist makes most of his money from live appearances and, I daresay, television adverts. |
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im sorry phobiazero, lots of artists i know do agree |
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i'm a strong advocate of trading files. being an "atrist" myself, i don't care if ppl trade my files..infact i've released whole projects on soulseek. many ppl downloaded, and some liked, some loved. did i get any money? hell no. i could have easly submitted my stuff to indie german labels and at least made some cash from it. also, i've heard a few artists praise p2p's networks. infact dave mathew's band says that it's perfectly fine for their fans to trade mp3's and that the band will stand up to the test of time. and what about linkin park who not only got their start from a few mp3's on mp3.com, but when on to be last years most celebrated artist here in america going over 7 times platinum WITH all these p2p's running rampant. oooooh, no. the record companies are losing money. Fuck them! they are losing money beacuse 1. they are bullshit to begin with, and no one truely needs to be a part of their "clubs." and 2. their little one hit wonders are being consumed/revield by the populous as crap. Most big money making acts are selling full cd's to simply sell their next hit trl single at an overly inflated price. i could go on, and on about the benifits of p2p's, and how the artists are not going to die off because of them. |
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it's not what the artists get from the sale, it's what the record companies get: way too much. |
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So IDM artist have to work, what's the big deal? |
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but the record company pays the artist |
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mp3s means more ppl get to know the bands (not only idm) and that means more ppl will go see them live. |
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whatever dudes, just carry on fucking your favourite IDM artists in the arse, good luck to you |
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and they get well payed for playing live i suppose? |
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paid* |
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not enough, as you mentioned earlier |
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i think you should get a better deal with greg, mate. :) |
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why aren't artists openly opposing filesharing then? the only ones who did (to my knowledge) were metallica and some rap act. who are those artists you mention? |
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greg or grant? |
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its so hard for me, all i hear about is people downloading my tracks, and i sell fuck all records, ive gotta give music up so i can work to pay off my debts |
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I cant believe you guys are defending the music industry, if i can download something for free theres no way im gonna go out and get ripped off by warpmart or hmv, i feel for the artists who are losing out, but jesus man these guys shouldnt be making music for the money, they should be doing it cos they love making music, A good idm artist who is making good music will get recognition for it eventially--money corrupts and dilutes talent, the only reason this hasn't happend to RDJ is because hes truly doesnt give a fuck |
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ok, about IDM...if it wasn't for soulseek, i'd never know about half of the IDM artists i do now, and YES i did but the cd's from the acts i like. also, ppl know that most mp3's are traded at a "below cd quality" 128 kps is no where near cd quality audio. infact 192 is only "transparent" true cd audio equivilancy is 320 kps in mp3 format. i'd say that less than 2% (being greatly genorus) of all mp3's in the universe are encoded at such a high bit-rate. And tons of ppl know this. The mp3's are never as good as the cd, and if i like an act's music snough, i go and suport them. i go to their shows, and buy their cd's. perfect example: i dled cylob's stuff...i really hated. thus didn't buy the cd. i dled venetian snares' making orange things, and not only did i buy the cd, i'm looking for the "orange vinal" on ebay...AND I DON'T EVEN HAVE ANYTHING THAT CAN PLAY VINALS! infact i hate the "warmer" vinal sound! |
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didnt RDJ say he was loaded? |
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hear, hear! |
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heh... ebay isn't connected with the artist... but your point is clear :) |
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I think your picking on the wrong people with IDM... The simple fact is that their isn't a huge market for IDM and there never was...even AFX struggles to get into sales charts... And i'd say SS or whatver has introduced more people to the genre than any other...coz they can try shit out without the fear of wasting money...MP3s are probably creating a bigger market for ya... I know I buy more CDs since MP3s came around; just coz I recognise my responsiblities to the artists & respect they should be a paid....but that 1 Euro you quote shows it's not the customer who are ripping you off, it's the industry itself... No-one has any beef with artists, but find me a fan of the current industry and I'll show you a fool... (I really wonder why people feel they should earn a living from making tunes...it's kinda arrogant to blame MP3s for your record not selling many copies...perhaps it's the quality??)... I don't mean to sound like a bastard but this is the real world...and it's well wack to insult people who buy your work anyway...feel thankful people are interested... |
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well put, jand. i def. agree with you. like you said, obviously the industry are ripping their artists off and not the "fans". |
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yeah I completely agree. I buy far more music now i've got access to them via mp3, I wouldn't have even heard of Richard Devine if it wasn't for mp3 and would be in the same position as my friends who listen to music because its marketed by mtv. sure, there are people who just get the mp3s, but the true fans, like 99% of us here, don't do that. In my opinion, warp has a lot to thank mp3 for |
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and I shouldn't just say warp, other labels too. and to be honest, its hardly surprising some don't buy the singles/remixes etc when some artists purposely restrict the amount released, though admittedly obviously with a lot its due to lack of money to get masses of releases. |
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is this quivvuulum person really rdevine@warprecords.com? ... I sooo think not...I've heard he's a decent guy and was really chatty with people on the recent Warp tour... |
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Have audiogalaxy removed all their files? I can't find anything. |
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I saw that yesterday too. I think we all know who this is. Read the 'TO ALL MEMBERS TOPIC'. |
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quivvuulum - is that the name you release under? if not which name which label? |
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yeah jand, I was one of the guys who talked to him, so I think not, and that emails been tested and bounces |
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I always thought that artists produce art (music in this case) because they are forced to by the inner powers in their mind/ spirit/ body/ whatever. I always thought they'd do it regardless of being paid or not, because they NEED to do it, not because they need to make a living of it. I have beend playing music in various combinations for over a decade and have never wanted to make it dependent on money it makes. I have to work for a living but would hate to have to make music for a living. |
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