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yes, he is |
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there is one mate, and they are working for the eradication of music piracy |
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i did read the whole thread you cretinous pile of shit |
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I've been burgled but realise the societal context in which that burglary took place i.e poverty in my country and a lack of things to do for disenfranchised and marginalised working class youth. I, unlike you, have grown up. Take your own advice and take your head out of your rectum and take a look around. |
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MP3 downloads is just a really hard question..... The MP3 thing is definitely weird. I haven't really thought about it so deep. I think the whole piracy issue, has been sensationalized. It's a new situation, to design a new format that can be controlled by corporations. Corporate entities put the hype into somebody like Metallica's ear... and they're not losing money because of Napster. They (corporations) say like, "You see what these college kids are doing, getting albums for free, you see how it's impacting your sales!?" Those guys are washed up basically, they're has beens. They're not gonna sell 9 million albums, like back in 84. So they (the corporations) look and say, "What you need is a non downloadable, streamable format, so you can reach the teens and we as corporation X can control it for you." So then the hype builds and whatnot. But it's just like bootleg tapes, bootleg CD's. The whole means of productions is there, and anybody can have access to anything, so at this point in history no corporation has been so greatly impacted by any form of online piracy that warrants any corporate interference. But really right now they're trying to sensationalize the issue to say, "Yeah, see the internet really needs to be more policed, because as you can see just like situation X,Y,Z, we need to control it." I just think that ultimately technology needs to become a little more accessible to make the whole experience of the net a little more enjoyable beyond a 56k modem needing to take 2 hours to download an MP3. And that's the other thing that's ridiculous about it. If you look at an album, downloading a whole album on the net takes like 3 hours. By the sheer math of it, nothing is going to really have that much of an impact. It's all just bullshit. |
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this is getting out of hand, all im asking is if you love someones music, and they do it professionally, then they deserve a living wage ie a wage like a macdonalds worker or a clerk, nothing special, hust enough to live and do their music, some of you still hold to the rubbished romantic notion of the starving artist |
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cylob is definately a small artist, record sales wise. i'm not saying he's not good (i don't know anything by him) nor am i saying he's talentless for remaining small for now. the market isn't waiting for more idm music |
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Alright, but I dont pirate for no reason. Fact is i cant afford more than 2 or 3 Cds a month, most stuff I download are vinyl rips anyway. I dont live fat, I wouldnt have bought the newest "put name of a starving IDM artist in here" cd either ?! In if ya want money, just make some commercial pop shit ! |
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whats wrong with you? |
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soulseek is like everybody has access to everybody elses mix tapes and this is my selection.... So I kinda like Soulseek I have discovered a lot of good music that I copped later... |
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Well they should read up on their political history and point the finger in the right direction. Did striking miners direct their anger at the consumers of their product of or the people who tried, and succeeded, in closing their industry (an example of labour history and class struggle can be used here of course)? |
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marlowe: creativity is a never ending process, and one who possess it, is unable to take a break from it. congratulations on yr hectic lifestyle. i lived that way too for 5 years, and then realised how much bad energy was actually permeating my being [as you have displayed through your utterly unintelligent rant] drop some stuff and focus on the things that bring you pleasure. the first thing to do though is let go of the 'success story' that society has been anally raping you with for the duration of your angry life, and jsut do what it is you like. quivulumm is not talking about hordes of money, he is talking about money to eat with and provide shelter. i wonder just how much reading and comprehending any of you are doing on this topic? MUSICIANS DESERVE TO MAKE AN INCOME THE MUSIC INDUSTRY IS FUHKING OVER BOTH PATRON AND ARTIST DOWNLOADING DOES INDEED HURT SALES |
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i think most ppl here still buy the records they downloaded. so all i'm saying is don't generalize! i love booklets! the autechre art is always something to look fwd to! can't wait for the dvd! already ordered it! :) |
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this is a discussion, and you are becoming more and more childish |
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You could always get on New Labour's New Deal scheme for struggling artists seeing as you accept, unquestioningly, free market capitalism. |
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he next time you feel like making yrself look like an arse, think about what it is you are about to say and ask yrslef, do i really know anything about this?' chances are, you don't. i'd advise you to either learn about it or keep yr trap shut. bro, how old are you? if you really think my head is up my ass then you must have one vivid imagination. I think I am thinking with the clearest thoughts here. What fucking planet are you on man? |
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it hasn't been rubbished by anyone. the majority of mcdonald's workers are either school-leavers gettin used to the big bad world, college students, or school kids -=- why drag mcdonald's workers into it at every chance - to make your claim seem more reasonable? |
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What's your artistname? You may promote your work here. |
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How am I being childish? You ignore all the points I make, which ARE serious and intelligent. You are the one who is saying you hope I get robbed and who doesn't respond to my points like an adult having a discussion. |
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Still u got to support good starving underground artists if u like the music.. U can download tracks and such not whole ablums, make"mix cds" and stuff but dont burn that shit on CD. Support artists u like and buy their albums, u canorder them really cheap from www.amazon.com or warpmart... |
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oh it was Richard Devine |
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the idea of the artist starving in his garret is a victorian one, artists are professionals in the same way as lawyers or directors or coal miners |
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i don't live one long angry existence - i accept that making music is my passion and i am happy to devote my spare time to it - my post wasn't unintelligent and neither have i been culturally brainwashed - how you came to those conclusions is a mystery - MUSIC INDUSTRY is an oxymoron - drop the "oxy" and you have a nice definition of you. |
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jonesy, your points make no sense whatsoever |
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marlowe, i guess from your insults, you are frustrated musically |
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Tell me, when you go to a shop to buy your clothes or buy coffee from a supermarket do you also send a cheque to the people (often children) in the Third World who produced your products? 2/3 of the world's population live on less than a dollar a day so stop whining. |
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who mentioned garrets? if it's victorian why can it be applied to artists throughout documented history? |
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actually my music is flourishing and i am enjoying it immensely - ask anyone here who knows me and they'll confirm it i just don't like whingers like you |
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i didnt say i hoped you would get robbed, i said i hoped you could still think the same if you got robbed mate, i wouldnt wish that on anyone :D |
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let's not compare artists' situations to those of third world labourers. the world is unfair (understatement of the year), we know that. |
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My point is that the record companies make a an absolute fortune from a) exploiting their artists and b) by charging us a fortune for the pleasure of hearing the music Can you grasp that fact? Do you think it is of any consequence? If not, why? |
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this is a very small gengre and it needs support... Its so nice to have "eld sjalar" like Phobiazero and Joyrex who make this for free and just for the love of electronic music.... I really admire them. |
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i think jonesy was promoting that people get things into perspective netlon |
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exactly archrival - and because they do it out of love, when they ask if i am willing to donate money to help with it, i reply that i am more than willing to |
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people on this board love IDM, that is undeniable, but they appear to have scant respect for the music makers |
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My point was that people in the Third World who produce most of our more mundane goods are paid even less, to the point where they starve, and yet no one talks about sending these people extra money to make up for the fact that Tescos et al rip them off. I think its a reasonable parallel. |
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jonesy: i agree with quivvuulum on that. they are retorts with much bite, but no venom. archivals post on support is where it's at! werd. and to quivvuulum for stickin it out, cus i think the point is across. werd. good luck with yr musik bro! send me an email with yr album details and i'll support yr cause! |
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You obviously haven't seen some of the sycophantic, fawning comments about IDM artists that some people make here. |
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why is that? what evidence do you have we don't buy the albums!?!? |
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so what? who says they deserve respect? when did richard devine do anything worthy of respect? |
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Reveal yourself quivvuulum !? Who are you ? Richard Devine ? Cylob ? Aphex ? Squarepusher ? |
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i know, but compared to the third world, we are all filthily rich, and this guy would have no argument at all. and i do think he has the teeniest bit of an argument. although he makes it sound like whining :) |
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i'll bet all 500 IDM album sales this year were by people on this fucking board!!! |
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quivvuulum: Are you really Richard Devine? If not, who then?(for the tenth time) And could you please tell us why your music is better than that of MP3.com artists? Why is everyone who has a different opinion childish? Please answer my questions... |
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Many of us are not actually. That's one of the great fallacys of capitalism. One quarter of Europe's poor live in Britain. they are just put on sprawling council estates out of the way. Also, there are 2,5million children in the UK who live below the povery line (and that's one defined by the EU). |
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this board is the fucking marketing machine for the whole genre and much more music besides |
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Nelton: there's a difference between whining and comming across direct. |
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that's what i'm talking about! :) and that's an unrealistic number, i hope. i think he meant 500 per artist |
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he is NOT richard devine |
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im not talking about majors for c***** sake, im talking about the labels that are mentioned on this board. Do you think rephlex or warp rip their artists off? well i can tell you they dont, they are among the highest paying labels, and thats a fact. an album may take 6 months work for an artist, if they receive 3000 euros for it, the label will receive that much too, and they have to pay for the production costs out of that, warp and rephlex rip no one off, they love what they do, and they just about get by financially, they couldnt pay there artists more without losing money themselves. besides do you thin drukqs is worth 14.99? how much pleasure does it give you compared with that quarter ounce you buy each week? |
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