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I mean the people who are just downloading everything and not buying anything, it's a worthless cause. You can't make them pay for it. Sorry if you misunderstood. I don't think you'd ever get a person like Narkotic to buy a cd, it'd be too much torture for him. |
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i just dont UNDERSTAND stupid people arg |
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well, makes a change from.. "bye forever wankers" :DD |
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"you are all worthless scum" that is trolling, and it gets discussions NO WHERE! |
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its ok, I just wanted to make it clear that not all of us purely download mp3s and not buy the music |
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I'll never buy another CD ever again, fuck that. I am a heartless beast. |
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The brunt of your attacks is based on your little generalizations quivvuulum. |
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Go and get yourself a life you fool! We don't want to talk to you either..... (obiviously a relation of Kara, eh Ben??) Hehehehe |
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Ok you know me or something? Careful when you make bullshit comments about me. |
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I have to admit i dont like the idea of freeloading off of the internet, but exploring interests i can understand, and i wud support as it makes showing ppl good music a lot easier, its also widened my variety of music. My CD collection is pretty fucked up :-) |
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i ofund this dude truely annoying yesterday, when he start posting my feelings have escalted |
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wow this has to be the thread with the fastest posting EVER. I still support some of quivvuulumm's views and think he only reacted as he did because he got layed into by so many here and got sick of it. His character certainly doesn't fit Richard Devine's though and I only saw him live recently and he was SOOOOOO clearly enjoying what he was doing. No signs of depression whatsoever. |
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hmm, I don't think so actually unless kara has learned how to use a different style |
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oh it's definitely not kara, that's obvious. |
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Narkotic, defend urself with proof rather than another insult. Throw water on the fire, dont throw more wood |
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Yes, but there is A LOT of people who just download everything and never buy. I will say that I found out about a lot of artists via~mp3 sharing programs, so I'm not completely innocent. But, I did buy some of it, I'm not going to lie and say I bought all of it, because cds ARE pretty expensive, and I definately agree that prices need to come down. I guess I'm kind of broken on this issue, artists need support, but record companies do screw them over.... And nothing beats a cd (in my opinion)... Other people have said it better than I ever could, so I'll just shut up now. |
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its over, hes gone at least for now... |
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the sad thing about quivvuulum is that he had some arguments... like "i don't have enough money to buy porsches, so is it ok if i steal them", or something like that, that was a pretty good one... but he discredited himself and his cause so much by insulting people... -_- |
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What do I have to prove? Someone throws some heresay, a person i've never even heard of and now I have to prove myself? I'd rather waste my time making the fire bigger by proving that he needs to research before saying something that ludacris. |
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Quivvuulum had some really good points and I agree with you about why his mood changed, Phatbert. Why do we need to aggrovate(sp.) ppl more? cant we just accept it and talk about it, stay positive and open minded? |
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BMW's are a luxury music is an art form. there is a world of difference. that analogy doesnt work. |
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Narkotic, I'm sorry for making assumptions so quickly, but the opinions you have expressed so far sound like you would never buy a cd because the artists are not good enough for your money or something.... |
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Here's my stand on this topic: Musicians should make music because they like to, not because they want to make money from it, like Zeus said. Trent Reznor knew the Fragile wasn't going to sell well, but he still toured for it and paid for that out of his own pocket! Sure, he didn't smash as many synths as he would've if it would've been a huge success like The Downward Spiral. Also, Depeche Mode gave away all the samples to their first two singles from "Exciter," knowing full well that they didn't have to give the fans anything for free. Lots of artists do that--give away free things. It's good for establishing a fan base. If some Joe Blow musician expects me to buy his records but won't let me hear mp3s, then I won't buy them. |
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Aaladorn,I say if you like an artist so much,you support what he's doing by buying the cds,maybe video collection,etc,at least that's the way I feel,plus the artist at least will get some money...Because we all know that they don't get paid that well,so lets really support our genius artists....I really hate to download mp3,unless,as I said before,is a rare-to-find piece of music,the rest I buy it...I even have some original vinyl for some AFX...... Andf yes,"download and never buy" it's not healthy for our artists...==) |
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You misunderstood my point, my point was that musicmaking should remain a hobby and you can't expect it to be your primary income. If that does happen, than more power to you! If it does not, don't come crying and blaming the mp3 industry for you not bringing home the bacon. Go out and get a real job. Understand? |
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And as far as the porsche thing goes; he wouldn't have to steal one, because he could go to a dealership and test drive one. Test driving a porsche is like downloading a few mp3s. Harmless. Maybe you'll like the car/record and want to buy it, or maybe you'll think about something else, but the fact is the consumer deserves the right to choose for himself! |
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Bingo! agreed |
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That last post was directed to Aladorn, by the way. |
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hmmmm. You can keep mp3's on your harddisk. Can you keep a Porsche in your garage and pretend to only drive it if it grows on you? |
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Also, most people use MP3s for getting even more people into the artist. For instance, I've told lots of people, "Oh you should definitely check out... so and so" and then they download a few tracks and want the records. It's like in-demand radio. Plus, lots of people have only rare mp3s. Some people don't have record players, so they download things from vinyl sources. Some people want things out of print, and since all the copies have already been sold, it's certainly fair to download that stuff. |
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wouldn't test driving be considered audio streaming as opposed to downloading then? with streaming you have to go to the site to listen>same as the porsche. but with downloading, that is theft of sorts. the whole problem could be alleviated with streaming audio adn then people could take their bloddy knickers off their skulls! narkotik: in yr world waht is a 'real job' and why isn't being a musician considered one [without the insults this time please, just fact] |
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again forget the BMW analogy it doesnt work 2 totally different things you cant compare a car to music i may seem like a good analogy, but its not |
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I kind of understand Narkotic, I understand your point of view, but we just have different opinions. I feel that most artists do enough to get paid. You obviously don't. |
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a musician can be a real job... but you cant be picky. im a musician. i want to write IDM, i wont make a living off of it. im gonnahave to gig with people and write tv commerical adds etc. thats what he meant... to making a living making music you love... thats hard.. |
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I guess comming from a hard working family and doing grunt work myself, when i see artists punching keyboards and playing on computers to make music it just upsets me to think that they expect to be rich from doing so. So, of course we're all going to have a different opinion comming from our upbringings. |
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Ahh, you just proved my assumptions correct, you are jelious. And by the way, most artists do not play keyboard and computer machines. |
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I'm with that spookyluke,the best technique to introduce an artist to someone nowdays is thru mp3... And yes,I absolutely agree with you that some people don't own a record player,so there's no other remedy than dounload it.... Like me,just download very-rare-to-find music,the rest I buy,because I don't like just plain cd-rs,as I said on another thread,I love to have art,names,track-list,some weird pics,etc....Plus,again,love supporting my favorite artists....:) |
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is anyone acctually reading my posts? |
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And by the way, I come from a hard working family (my father and his father, and all of my dad's side of the family move houses {not easy work}) |
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The real problem is not that the artist get rich, because that is not happening very often. Instead all the surrounding commerce system gets very rich. That's why they keep CDs prices very high, too make them rich, to pay the promotions, to pay all the employees of the stupid system. So I dont think that's a sin to deny this crap and download stuff for yourself. If you do this you just help reform the music industry. (like going in the direction of online distribution for much reasonable prices) |
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I'm reading them Zeus, well, aslong as my computer doesnt crash again! |
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I actually don't buy cds thinking "I'm going to support this artist." I buy cds because I like the music contained within, I like the format. And you can get some cds for pretty cheap from http://www.bmgmusicservice.com |
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hehe thanks... no one is responding to my threads... and im a god damn musician! take it from someone who knows what hes talking about people! |
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I'm jealous? Since when does stating an opinion make you a jealous person? Why would I be jealous over people not being able to feed themselves after making music... I guess i fail to find the validity in your bigmouth statements. |
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not really IDM, but it doesn't have to be IDM to be good music. |
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narkotic: i had an equally 'grunt' upbringing my friend. i grew up on a farm and helping my father in construction. it's not something that a person who has spent their whole life doing music could do. just as being a musician isn't something that a farmer could easily do. both require the same sense of devotion and dedication to learn the art of the form, beit farming, music, construction, illustration, etc. there is a business side to every aspect of a living, and i feel it is unfair for you to discredit people for sitting infront of a computer. they have worked extremely hard to get where they are. i agree they would not have the simplest form of appreciation for a 'real' day of physical labour, but nor would you have a 'real' appreciation for a real day of creative labour. if you did then you would not have made these comments. i hope you and everyone can appreciate this. most people deserve the respect, and i don't think that quivvuulumm was demanding any outrageous sums of money for his or other artists work. he jsut felt that artists aren't making enough for the work they do, and mp3s aren't making it any easier on them. i do agree with him. |
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No, you seem jealous that some artists can get rich from making music. |
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helllllloooooo? |
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Skodt, you continue to make the best posts. And I totally agree with you... |
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Zeus,just have to be truth to yourself and follow your heart...If you want to make music,do it just how you feel it,if no Ad-agency will use it in commercials,well that's bad,but you're doing what you like,just do it as hobby and not live from that...If you ever got the big chance for commercials or get picked by Warp or Rephlex,then you'll be well known as most of them are,not very well paid,but at least thousands of people had heard about them....... |
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