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obara
from Utrecht on 2006-06-13 15:45 [#01919382]
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it appears brazil team stars are overrated. fat slow presleys.
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NIL-0
from trans pennine express on 2006-06-13 15:49 [#01919388]
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nah - i doubt they will - but they need to bring him on a couple of times before he`ll be fully match fit. and theres no accounting for ericksons substitution tactics
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-06-13 15:49 [#01919389]
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haha, brazil played with like half strength. afterall they have 6 more games to play.
ronaldo was pure class. he didn't even have to play because they won so easily. just observe his wisdom. he's standing there and when the ball hits him he scores. since ronaldinho decided no to serve him with quality passes, there's not much he could have done (not that he needed it).
just watch him in the games when they will need a goal :)
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NIL-0
from trans pennine express on 2006-06-13 15:51 [#01919391]
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right - when they need to brasil seem to be able to raise the game 100% better than they showed tonight
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DeleriousWeasel
from Guam on 2006-06-13 15:56 [#01919394]
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Hrvatska can be proud. Going down fighting 1-0 to this Brasil side is really something!
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-06-13 15:57 [#01919396]
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specially without niko kovac..
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obara
from Utrecht on 2006-06-13 16:02 [#01919400]
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yeah, i guess it was just a warm-up for brazil.
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Aesthetics
from the IDM Kiosk on 2006-06-13 16:06 [#01919403]
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Yeah right, it call it overindulged.
I'm really glad van Basten decided to keep players with an attitude like that outside the team.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-06-13 16:11 [#01919409]
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holland currently doesn't even have a player with such qualities. no idea what you're talking about. they clearly suck.
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nacmat
on 2006-06-13 16:17 [#01919414]
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so ronaldinho decided not to srve him?
man, never knew such a blind person talkiing about football
I am begining to dislike gus hiddink
I remember in last WC, korea won italy and spain with very suspicious acting by the referees
spanish got really mad and complaint a lot, and gus hiddink said that he was surprised that spanish didnt know how to handle the los. he was all like stranged about spain complaining... like if he didnt know that the referee had made serious mistakes in favour of korea
4 years later, just because japan was given an illegal goal that was preceded by a fault he starts pushing everybody and acts all crazy, like with total right to it
seems like he doesnt remember how he got to semifinals last time
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Aesthetics
from the IDM Kiosk on 2006-06-13 16:18 [#01919415]
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I'm not talking about quality, I'm talking about attitude here like Davids for example.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-06-13 16:22 [#01919417]
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i see.
nacmat, as far as i know ronaldinho has similar role in brazils' team as zidane has for france. and as you probably saw zidane made quite a few excellent passes towards henry. ronaldo didn't get a single one from ronaldinho. but as i said they didn't even have to go there.
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nacmat
on 2006-06-13 16:54 [#01919453]
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henry moves
ronaldo is a sticky piece of dead meat in the field
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nacmat
on 2006-06-13 16:57 [#01919459]
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england and france: low argentina, holland, brazil, portugal: just ok germany, italy: good zcech republic: the best so far
(among the big names)
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OK
on 2006-06-13 16:58 [#01919460]
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brazil never plays as good as it could. they always laze thru the tournaments and win them.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-06-13 17:00 [#01919469]
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wasn't it just like that last world cup? and then he scored two decisive goals when he needed to?
and didn't he score 23 goals for madrid this year?
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nacmat
on 2006-06-13 17:02 [#01919472]
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yes, and he will score in this worldcup too... so what
that doesnt mean he moves
if you are trying to discuss the fact that henry moves a lot more than ronaldo, fine with me... I ll be at the bar
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nacmat
on 2006-06-13 17:03 [#01919473]
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exactly
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-06-13 17:05 [#01919476]
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see, that's my point. why run and vaste energy if his team can deliver? he has that sort of style.
i never said he moves, he always plays like that. if he wasn't important for brazil im sure they could find other 20 strikers to take his spot.
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nacmat
on 2006-06-13 17:09 [#01919486]
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man, you didnt see him play at barcelona then
you missed the good part, poor
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nacmat
on 2006-06-13 17:11 [#01919491]
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anway, I agree that ronaldinho today didnt perform at a good level at all
but at least he played, not like the fat cunt
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-06-13 17:12 [#01919492]
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i saw him play for eindhoven. he learnt a lot since then..
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nacmat
on 2006-06-13 17:13 [#01919494]
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tell me you dont agree when I say he played his best for barcelona, and this conversation is over
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-06-13 17:15 [#01919496]
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yeah, he played the best when he was in barca, but im aying he is still a top striker, despite his age and overweight.
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nacmat
on 2006-06-13 17:19 [#01919498]
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of course he is
I fear him when braça plays madrid
and I would bring him to barça again if I could, but his attitude in real madrid is really bad, all the stadium is sick of him
and I thought he would change attitude with brazil... its still too soon to judge, but looks like it
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-06-13 17:21 [#01919500]
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don't tell me they would rather have that ibrahimovic master?
anything else but that would be great, cheers.
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nacmat
on 2006-06-13 17:25 [#01919503]
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about brazil:
defense: roberto and cafu are good, but too old. that will be a weak point when better teams fight them
centrals: they are ok, nothing special, but they dont make mistakes, so thats not a weak point really
midfield: very nice, incredible really, emerson is tough and ze roberto makes a good distribution, then kaka, and ronaldinho, what can I say... 1000% talent
but I think they lack a real brain there, somthing like redondo for madrid and argentina, or guardiola for barça or pirlo for italy... a person that controles the time of the game... emerson doesnt do that, ze roberto could, but he has no protagonism in that team... ronaldinho doesnt either (on barça xavi does it)
so despite of a great midfield, I think they dont have a real director of the game
attack:
I think its a mistake to play with adriano and ronaldo together as they are pretty much the smae kind of striker, and both are in not very good shape lately, but the real problem is not that they are not fit, but the fact that they bother eachother as they play thesame way.
I would include robinho instead onw of them.... and what other strikers do they have?... strange batista is not there
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OK
on 2006-06-13 17:26 [#01919505]
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ronaldinho had at least 3 guys around him at every time. not easy to pull good stuff.
if the motherfucking president of your country has to tell you that you're fat. you should start taking it seriously hahaha.
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nacmat
on 2006-06-13 17:28 [#01919507]
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I dont really worry about what madrid supporters want for the future
but I would love ibrahimovich in my team
what do you think about gudjohnsen? he is about to come to barcelona
(I know he is not in the level of ronaldo and the such)
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nacmat
on 2006-06-13 17:29 [#01919509]
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yeah ronaldinho had a lot of people on him, that why kaka found himself free many times
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NIL-0
from trans pennine express on 2006-06-13 17:34 [#01919512]
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i reckon Gudjohnsen is a totally class act. Power, speed and a proven ability to score - with a bit of consistent first team selection, he could be a killer player, unfortunatley Morinihos luxury of regular squad rotation has affected his impact at Chelsea
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nacmat
on 2006-06-13 17:36 [#01919515]
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I am afraid he wont be included many times in the first 11 at barcelona
or maybe yes, who knows... but instead of who?
ronaldinho? etoo? messi?
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NIL-0
from trans pennine express on 2006-06-13 17:38 [#01919518]
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There saying over here hes to replace Larsson.. but i dont know
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-06-13 17:40 [#01919519]
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i don't know gudjohnsen all that good. i hate chelsea for some reason. not my sort of team at all. i don't even see many of their games. maybe i saw like two of their games this year..and both times gudjohnsen didn't play.
i wonder when messi is going to get his chance..maybe if ronaldinho is out for some reason..they play in similar positions, no?
gudjohnsen will play as much as larsson played i suppose..
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NIL-0
from trans pennine express on 2006-06-13 17:51 [#01919523]
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yeah chelsea are the fucking spawn of hades and i truely dislike mourinho - however i rate gudjohnsen and would love for him to show what he can do at a new team
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nacmat
on 2006-06-13 18:06 [#01919525]
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messi plays whenever he wants... but in barça he goes in substitution of jiuly, so that is right wing striker
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nacmat
on 2006-06-13 18:06 [#01919526]
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wherever
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-06-13 18:10 [#01919527]
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giuly isn't all that good imo. or maybe it was just the games i saw. he plays in a position where consistency is needed i guess, but sometimes he can play quite bad..he doesn't fit in barca at all..i'd much rather see messi play in his position constantly :)
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nacmat
on 2006-06-13 18:35 [#01919535]
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yeah messi is of course better than jiuly
jiuly is a nice player, but not a crack
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nacmat
on 2006-06-13 18:36 [#01919537]
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for sure, next season messi will be the main man in that position
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-06-13 18:37 [#01919538]
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lovely..and i hope madrid somehoe gets gerrard :D
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2006-06-13 22:13 [#01919579]
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wow, I'm coming late, but this thread is too long for me to read all the posts. I'm going for The Netherlands. They have a special place in my heart after living there for a few months. Plus I think they have a good team!
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obara
from Utrecht on 2006-06-14 02:29 [#01919609]
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always look on the bright side of ball
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Exaph
from United Kingdom on 2006-06-14 02:30 [#01919610]
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nacmat, i have to disagree with ; england: low, brazil: just ok, germany: good
i think germany will struggle against a good team, i mean they let in 2 goals to costa rica! hows that better than england? england first half looked good at least. i would thus put brazil on par with england at the moment, and agree aregentina have looked one of the best.
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Exaph
from United Kingdom on 2006-06-14 02:30 [#01919611]
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enjoy it while it lasts i say!
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DaggerHappy
from Australia on 2006-06-14 02:36 [#01919612]
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i think given the fact that brazil held back a abit against croatia and only scored one goal, and what australia did the other night, brazil are going to really go after australia and murder them 3-0, maybe worse. which could secure their spot in the next round, throttle off again against japan, and concentrate on the round of 16. also, ronaldhino has stated that australia are their key group rivals.
we're screwed
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darkpromenade
from Australia on 2006-06-14 02:55 [#01919618]
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i don't know dude...... i can't believe ronaldhino could be serious! Croatia made the last four in '98.......
brazil seems like a team that cruise until they are pushed, and then they turn it on......
either way, i agree, we're screwed!
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Exaph
from United Kingdom on 2006-06-14 03:48 [#01919636]
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i cant believe that france still havent scored in the wc since 98!
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furoi
from Udine (Eriko Sato's undies) (Italy) on 2006-06-14 03:57 [#01919641]
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ronaldo is the shit
and france won't go so far
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DaggerHappy
from Australia on 2006-06-14 04:42 [#01919683]
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yeah, zidane has said how the french side has lacked hunger and spirit of the 1998 world cup team (or something along those lines). they did poorly at last world cup, euro 2004? and so far against switzerland they didn't look great.
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