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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-06-14 11:56 [#01239712]
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what do you mean? they always play like that...totti was disappointing though...
i just saw that zidane free kick again...no wonder he's been selected for best world player :)
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Aesthetics
from the IDM Kiosk on 2004-06-14 11:58 [#01239717]
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Italy is like 8 defenders and 3 attackers that rely on the counterattack, and Denmark knows how to deal with it
Denmark played attacking football which is much more fun to watch
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-06-14 12:01 [#01239726]
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that's what italy is famous for...unfortunately. it's silly coz they have couple of best deffenders imo (cannavaro and nesta)...ahh, they should get rid of trapatoni, although they would probably still play in the same formation...
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Aesthetics
from the IDM Kiosk on 2004-06-14 12:05 [#01239730]
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I know, but I like to point that out because I hate it when teams play like that,
and hopefully the winner of this eurocup will be a team that plays (forward) attacking football
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-06-14 12:07 [#01239736]
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exactly!!! that is why i love france do much :)
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X-tomatic
from ze war room on 2004-06-14 12:07 [#01239737]
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that was bitter??? \:S
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-06-14 12:10 [#01239744]
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i was kidding. seems like you have hard time accepting english team lose against french, that's all...and yes, maybe i am a bit too excited about french. but saying they play the most beautiful/best football is totally in place :)
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Aesthetics
from the IDM Kiosk on 2004-06-14 12:11 [#01239745]
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common, that was not the reason why they won the match yesterday, to me it was a team that depended on one player ;)
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-06-14 12:13 [#01239747]
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you know, it's hard to score, when there are 11 players standing in line infront of the goal :) and everyone plays that way against france, coz they're all scared!!
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Aesthetics
from the IDM Kiosk on 2004-06-14 12:16 [#01239752]
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haha I think I watched another game, they played a little bit more offensive after the first goal (which is natural) but not with 11 players!
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nacmat
on 2004-06-14 12:36 [#01239793]
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I didnt know that ultra supporter side of your personality
I am spanish, I cont care who won between frenchs and english... well maybe I even prefer france to win so they are first, that way if we are first we wont see them in 1/4 finals
but still it was obvious that they were lucky cos they played bad during 90 minutes
england had some chances to even do the 2-0
I saw the match and I didnt see england being too defensive, of course they were conservative in some way, but not at all waited for the french to come to their area
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X-tomatic
from ze war room on 2004-06-14 12:47 [#01239824]
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Oh not at all m8,I didn't support a specific side for this match. I thought the conclusion of the match was fantastic, a real thriller and the Zidane free kick was brilliant.
I can understand how shellshocked 'n sour the England fans must be though, but it was England's own fault anyway.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-06-14 12:57 [#01239839]
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im full of surprises, aren't i :)
here's match statistics...it's pretty obvious who the better side was...
(see passes and completed passes...shots on target...)
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nacmat
on 2004-06-14 13:03 [#01239853]
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when did I say england played better than france?
I just said that france played bad
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-06-14 13:05 [#01239860]
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ok, so you're saying england suck ass? ok, got it now.
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nacmat
on 2004-06-14 13:28 [#01239895]
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indeed, I think actually england is a weak team... the worst of the usual top teams (italy, germany, france, netherlands, england, portugal, spain)
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nacmat
on 2004-06-14 13:30 [#01239897]
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btw
sweden 1 bulgary 0
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-06-14 14:07 [#01239952]
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i see...this is how i see those teams - from strongest to weakest:
-france -england -germany -netherlands -italy -spain -portugal
with french and english teams being far ahead :)
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-14 14:15 [#01239961]
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for me its:
France Spain Italy Portugal England Germany Netherlands
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-14 14:16 [#01239963]
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france spain and italy being far ahead :)
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Aesthetics
from the IDM Kiosk on 2004-06-14 14:36 [#01239990]
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Sweden - bulgaria 5 - 0
entertaining and fair game
poor Bulgaria
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X-tomatic
from ze war room on 2004-06-14 14:43 [#01240009]
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yeah , they got a lesson in efficiency cos Bulgaria certainly didn't play as bad as the final score makes it sound but they just hopelessly wasted all the chances the created. Top quality strikers in the Swedish Squad, they looked like serious contenders tonight.
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Aesthetics
from the IDM Kiosk on 2004-06-14 14:50 [#01240036]
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indeed there is nothing to blame Bulgaria, Sweden scored almost every opportunity
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Phobiazero
from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2004-06-14 14:58 [#01240064]
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in fact, sweden could have made a few more goals...
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Aesthetics
from the IDM Kiosk on 2004-06-14 15:00 [#01240070]
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never enough eh
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Phobiazero
from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2004-06-14 15:12 [#01240084]
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just pure facts from the game...
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nacmat
on 2004-06-14 15:21 [#01240096]
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congratulations and thanks to both teams for giving such a nice spectacle
2nd goal was amazing
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2004-06-15 00:14 [#01240525]
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italy was a shit! it's a shame...
congs to sweden, they palyed a great football, Ibrahimovic-Ljungberg-Larsson were fantastics!
Sweden is scary... they will kick our italian ass out of this championship next Fridaty... ... ..
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Phobiazero
from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2004-06-15 00:36 [#01240544]
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i'm lloking forward to the game against italy this friday... shall we perhaps swing a beer together then, woofer?
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DeadEight
from vancouver (Canada) on 2004-06-15 01:50 [#01240602]
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my connection has been down for the last few days, so here are some thoughts:
-HAHA ENGLAND!
-well that italy game was pretty terrible... i don't know what's wrong with those guys, but i'm willing to blame it all on trappatoni, because he's been the problem in the past... honestly at some points in that game i don't know what the hell they were defending... the number of awesome chances that dennmark got just because the italians just kept collapsing, and collapsing and collapsing... you do actually have to challenge the play EVENTUALLY!
bleh... i hope they can pull themselves together for next game...
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Phobiazero
from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2004-06-15 02:04 [#01240612]
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but that is always how italian use to act in the beginning of each tournament... lame and quite ignorant... and they play some draw matches and always tend to win with some small margins and suddenly they're among the top four teams... right, woofer?
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-06-15 02:11 [#01240615]
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it's a surprise to see italy playing with strikers at all...
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2004-06-15 03:07 [#01240656]
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Exactly. Trappatoni is famous for his defensive game, anyway yesterday we played with 3 strikers (Vieri, DelPiero, Totti), while in World Cup 2002 just 2 strikers (Vieri, Totti or DelPiero), so in this cup we're a step forward.
In the story of Italy we always won, with good defensive game, with perfects tactics and then sudden counter-attacks.
Italians characteristics are these, and it will be hard to change that.
Italy has best defense of this European imo, with Buffon, Cannavaro, Nesta and Ferrari, a bad midfield, and a good attack but yesterday midfield didn't work well, so the strikers received few ballons to play.
Anyway for next World Cup I will change Trappatone for sure, he's too much defensivist for my tastes.
But remember, also with another coach Italy would alwaus play a tactical football with strong defense and sudden counter attacks.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-06-15 03:11 [#01240660]
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"taly has best defense of this European imo, with Buffon, Cannavaro, Nesta and Ferrari"
i totally agree! that is also why it's silly they play so deffensive...i mean surely those 3 could do good work on their own. but as you say...italy just plays that way :(
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DeadEight
from vancouver (Canada) on 2004-06-15 10:22 [#01241288]
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oh i'm totally in love with their defense... but even their defense (in particular guys like panucci<--why is he a regular starter?!) was allowing far too many chances... italy was VERY lucky not to concede a goal...
-this czech game is pretty awesome so far... Nedved is so amazing to watch sometimes...
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sons of august
from the sacred cycles on 2004-06-15 10:30 [#01241297]
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i enjoyed the denmark - italy game, best match so far even though it was 0-0.
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nacmat
on 2004-06-15 10:54 [#01241331]
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8I
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nacmat
on 2004-06-15 11:01 [#01241336]
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Czech Rep - 0 Latvia ------- 1
man, so much surprises
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2004-06-15 11:12 [#01241343]
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agreed. denmarks fastpace offense and italy's lazy dreamteam were a joy to watch
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Aesthetics
from the IDM Kiosk on 2004-06-15 11:51 [#01241409]
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Chech Rep - Latvia 2 - 1
In a way the referee left a mark on this match
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Aesthetics
from the IDM Kiosk on 2004-06-15 11:52 [#01241412]
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Chech> Czech
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Aesthetics
from the IDM Kiosk on 2004-06-15 11:53 [#01241413]
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haha, what a mess
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2004-06-15 11:53 [#01241414]
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poor Latvia it would have been good!
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nacmat
on 2004-06-15 12:00 [#01241424]
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and now.....
netherlands - germany
what do you think will hapen?
which team is better?
can germany stop makaay and van nistelroy?
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2004-06-15 12:02 [#01241428]
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Prediction
Holland 2 Germany 0
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sons of august
from the sacred cycles on 2004-06-15 12:03 [#01241430]
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maybe holland will give germany some of their own medicine and dive a lot in the penalty area. not that nistelrooy dives a lot... ;)
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Aesthetics
from the IDM Kiosk on 2004-06-15 12:03 [#01241431]
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you know what I think ;)
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Aesthetics
from the IDM Kiosk on 2004-06-15 14:36 [#01241632]
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Holland - Germany 1 - 1
got nothing to say..
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-06-15 14:47 [#01241646]
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they stoped makaay pretty good imo.
germany is looking superstrong, it's amazing how good they can play with players like they have...
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Aesthetics
from the IDM Kiosk on 2004-06-15 14:55 [#01241667]
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Germany should try their chances at the EC handball as well
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