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princo
from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2002-06-05 14:17 [#00250795]
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I DONT BELIEVE IT !!!! A IRISH GOAL IN STOPPAGE TIME!!! 1-1 ! :O
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princo
from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2002-06-05 14:20 [#00250797]
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so close germany... so close.
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sine707
from Frankfurt (Germany) on 2002-06-05 14:28 [#00250806]
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narf. glhpskdfjfd....
dammit..... >:-(
;)
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princo
from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2002-06-05 14:29 [#00250807]
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im still in shock, i thought germany were a sure thing!!!!
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-06-05 14:31 [#00250809]
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Ireland had their chances, and dominated posession in the second half
They deserve 2 points from 2 games at least ! Now Ireland can qualify ! Lets hope Saudi are a bit better tomorrow (though I doubt it !!)
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-06-05 14:32 [#00250812]
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I tell U what, with Korea yesterday , Portugal today and now that Ireland game... This world cup has exploded into action ! I 'm loving it !!
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nacmat
on 2002-06-05 14:33 [#00250814]
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there are problems with the basque country because just a few idiots kill people in the name of their region´s independence, there is no such problem with catalunya, its true that some independentists would like to have their own country and therefor their own team in sports, but as nowadays thats not possible and many players in spain are from catalunya or the basque country I think most of the people in spain want our team to win (I am talking of the 99%)
hierro would never do such thing as he is an old friend of all the other players even though they are from another team during the season... dont believe everything you hear.
you know me, and you know I wouldnt mind telling you that you are right if you were
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princo
from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2002-06-05 14:34 [#00250817]
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im not even a soccer fan and im loving the "soap oprah" style action.
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nacmat
on 2002-06-05 14:38 [#00250823]
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yes this world cup is being very openned for new teams and there are being lots of goals... nice
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-06-05 14:40 [#00250826]
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Yes nac, I agree .. I'm just wondering why such a great football nation can have such a disastrous history ... Have Spain ever been past the last 8 ?
If not, that's amazingly bad for the country with the best league/teams in the world.
Currently (Best leagues in world )=
1)Spain 2)England 3)Germany 4)Italy
.... but Italy have the best national team IMO.
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nacmat
on 2002-06-05 14:46 [#00250836]
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spain once won the euro cup in 1964 and got to the final losing against france in 1984.
we were 4th in the world cup in 1950 7th in mexico and 8th in USA
its true that our team hasnt come up to everyones expectations based on the great teams we have here...but who knows, we have always been very unlucky, and our character is a bit loser (remember Don Quijote, this is a good example of the spanish character) we always have to be sad cos we play well and we lost... we use to say:
"we played like never before and we lost like always"
some people say that our teams are good cos of the foreign players that come here and that the spanish players dont have the responsability in their teams...and then in the spanish team they are not used to face the responsability.
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-06-05 14:51 [#00250841]
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I like the quote :)
This is a famous English quote
"Football is a game of 90 minutes.. ..and in the end the Germans win on penalties"
hehe... not today :D
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nacmat
on 2002-06-05 14:55 [#00250851]
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yea we always say that too... hehe
I like the football played in spain and england, also the football played by teams from portugal and netherlands
germany and italy are very competitive (the most) but their style is so poor... IMO, they try to defend only...and then they have great forwardings...
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nacmat
on 2002-06-05 14:58 [#00250853]
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its clear that its a great method to win championships... but I prefer watching an english or spanish match rather than an italian one.
(italy hasnt got even one team in the 1/4 finals of the champions league in the last two years, which means that teams trying to play good football and not only defend, are begining to get good results)
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nacmat
on 2002-06-05 14:59 [#00250855]
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maybe woofer doesnt think this way...that would be comprehensible
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nacmat
on 2002-06-05 15:37 [#00250904]
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tomorrow:
denmark - senegal (we will see how good senegal is)
camerun - arabia saudi (camerun must win if they want to go on the next stage)
france - uruguay (the match of the day, the one losing says goodbye, and if they tie they can both say goodbye depending on the result of the next matches)
what do you think?
my thinking is:
denmark 2 - 1 senegal
camerun 3 - 1 arabia saudi
france 2 - 1 uruguay
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2002-06-05 15:40 [#00250914]
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I guess GERMANY - IRELAND = 1 - 1 and I'm always the leader in our Italian's game :D
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2002-06-05 15:42 [#00250919]
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I agree with you, Italian's teams are more defensive than other country. I prefer the show of Spanish Liga or English Premier League, no doubts.
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nacmat
on 2002-06-05 15:43 [#00250921]
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hehehe you will become a richman this way
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nacmat
on 2002-06-05 15:44 [#00250925]
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that doesnt mean that I dont like the great juventus or the incredible milan of the early ninetees or late eightees
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2002-06-05 16:06 [#00250981]
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i just read an article about players that participate in this world cup.
majority of them is playing in english premier league, most surpriseing for me is that spanish league which is the strongest imo is probably on 5 th spot with participants.
from english league there is 101 palyers italy-78 germany-59 france-58 it doesn't say about other leagues but it must be spanish in 5 th.
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Phatbert 000
from Augsburg (Germany) on 2002-06-05 16:26 [#00251003]
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yes!!! IRELAND!!! I think it's really funny the way the score was 1-1 and all the Irish and going mental and the Germans are totally pissed-off.
I watched the match with 5 friends, 4 German, 1 American. They were ALL for Germany. That last goal felt really good I can tell you!
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2002-06-05 16:30 [#00251008]
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Time ago, I spoke about this argument with Phob. Two things I don't like about Italian football:
1) - Too much defensive and close style of play.
2) - Too much simulations and a lot of times they're great actors.
I prefer English football 'cos they play faster without simulation... in England the players are strong man.
I liked the match ENGLAND - SWEDEN 'cos it was a real match between 2 phisically strong teams without simulations.
Anyway I liked very match last match of Italy and I think it's one of best Italy who I never saw. Totti and Vieri are awesome, then we've other great champions as Del Piero, Inzaghi, Montella, Nesta, Cannavaro, Buffon, and Mr. Trappattoni, one of the best coach in the world (and also very nice and funny man) I like and I believe in this Italy.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2002-06-05 16:40 [#00251017]
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italy has one of the best teams imo.
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nacmat
on 2002-06-05 17:08 [#00251050]
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well thats a nice point..I have to think of it to see if there is some logic explanation...
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nacmat
on 2002-06-05 17:12 [#00251056]
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at first it makes me think that we must have less foreign players than the rest... cos each country has only 23 players so the rest till 101 are foreigners.
or we have less foreign players or many of our foreign players havent gone to the world cup, this last would mean that the best foreigners are in england... well maybe, but that doesnt make sense, seeing the results of spanish league teams in the last 5 years (4 times there was a spanish team in the final of the champions league)
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nacmat
on 2002-06-05 17:16 [#00251060]
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most of the players of eastern countries play in germany.
most of the africans play in france
there are lots of brazilians in spain and many of them havent gone to the world cup.
the same with players from argentina
some from netherlands couldn go as they didnt qualify.
this could be some reasons... anyway, do you think that means that spanish league is not as good?
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2002-06-05 17:45 [#00251110]
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spanish league is the strongest one imo, though there is many competative teams in english premier league also.
i dont like german and french leagues too much. because i just dont like style they are playing.
most strange imo is that italian clubs don't have any succes in european cups,because i think they have a pretty strong league themselfs, and they have at least 5 very strong teams.
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nacmat
on 2002-06-05 18:29 [#00251179]
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I think that italian teams need to reconsider their way of playing, football consits on scoring and they turn it to the opposite (avoid that the other team scores) its true that they have reached the highest level under that philosophy (3 world cups) but lately their league teams dont get so far in competition.
anyway I like this Italian team for the worl cup... vieri, totti, inzaghi, del piero, montella, del veccio, nesta, maldini, di livio... they are a great team, but i prefer when they try to score than whaen they only try to defend
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2002-06-05 18:35 [#00251183]
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i think nesta and cannavaro can do defending themselfs, while totti,montella and vieri should concentrate all their strenght in attack. the only problem are their midfielders.
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nacmat
on 2002-06-05 18:40 [#00251191]
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they dont care about midfield, there they just want to do the pressing, but they dont vreate the game in the midfield, they go straight from defense line to attack line... their midfielders mission is to do the pressing to get the ball...after that no creation takes place in that area.
when I talk about creation in the midfield I am talking of what zidane does in france, or beckam in england, veron, ballack...
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2002-06-05 18:43 [#00251198]
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yes but the only players that are capable of doing that(i mean totti and del piero) both play as strikers, instead in midfield as creators like zidane and veron
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nacmat
on 2002-06-05 18:46 [#00251202]
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thats the point.
totti could play as zidane, with vieri and inzaghi ahead... but that would be to crazy for their way of understanding football
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2002-06-05 18:52 [#00251204]
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perhaps they will change their tactics when young cassano get to play for their team
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nacmat
on 2002-06-05 21:21 [#00251466]
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tolstoyed which is your team? I mean besides slovenia. mine is barcelona, even though I am from madrid, its hard, above all knowing that real madrid is the best team and that we will never reach them
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nacmat
on 2002-06-05 23:49 [#00251786]
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well all the teams have already started the competition...this are my first and most important impressions:
african teams are getting really dangerous
ronaldo came back to life, and the football scene is happy for that.
Italy and germany are much stronger than I thought .... this means they will be there till the end.
korea is really a good team and they can do a good competition
argentina will lead their group as the english dont seem that can stop them.
usa showed us that we had overrated portugal.
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-06-06 00:26 [#00251860]
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what a cup, incredible .. seems like this cup is a turning point, where europe's dominance is starting to wane.
there will be some awesome games. good on ireland for equalizing. that's pretty cool.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2002-06-06 00:31 [#00251877]
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i like real madrid actually and also inter i know it seems strange because both clubs are very rich and have great players,
but its just awesome to watch them play especially real
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nacmat
on 2002-06-06 00:49 [#00251910]
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korben I just realized your name is from the 5th element after all this time... it was yesterday that they put it on the telly
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-06-06 00:55 [#00251921]
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nacmat:
yeah .. mmhh.. oh well. this is a wicked cup man, incredible. not a single goal-less game! usa korea will be a game to watch. both teams seem to have the same sort of high energy enthusiasm! ..
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nacmat
on 2002-06-06 01:29 [#00251947]
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yea above all the koreans who never stoped running during the 90 minutes
USA really surprised me, now portugal has it really difficult, but lets wait...
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far-east monkey
from psychiatry hospital in osaka on 2002-06-06 01:57 [#00251971]
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i saw great game. ireland sticked to win. they never give up. Go for it!! i'm looking forward to watching Uruguary vs France. my favorite player Recoba will appear today's game. i prefer wathing his fantastic play. His play deserve your attention. i hope his play is watched more!!
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Laqeuro
from New York City (United States) on 2002-06-06 03:20 [#00252050]
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christ almost 300 posts
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2002-06-06 07:19 [#00252229]
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Congratulations Tolstoyed, I'm happpy to see that you know very well italian football and italian players ;)
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2002-06-06 07:25 [#00252235]
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for Nacmat and Tolstoyed:
Ok friends, about Totti and Del Piero as Zidane, I disclose the news that in the next match against Croatia (and probably in all the other matches) Italy will play with Vieri and Inzaghi as strikers and Totti behind as midfield and creator of play.
Del Piero doesn't like to be midfield and everytime he says that he prefers to play as striker.
In Italy there's a big argue about Del Piero, striker or midfield...
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2002-06-06 07:38 [#00252253]
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You had reason about Zahovic... read below...
http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/en/020606/8/s9y.html
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nacmat
on 2002-06-06 09:22 [#00252321]
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zahovic out of the competition??? well thats very bad news for slovenia, cos he is a great player, but katanec is the coach and he deserves respect... the group is over the individuals
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nacmat
on 2002-06-06 09:28 [#00252326]
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I know there is a lot of controversy in Italy with del piero´s position... I think he is a striker like raul in spain, this means he is not like vieri or morientes... but he prefers playing as near from the goal as possible.
in spain raul, and even butragueño (in the old days) or kluivert are strikers but they play behind the real striker, and they dont score as much as vieri or batistuta ... but they create the chances of goal.
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nacmat
on 2002-06-06 09:49 [#00252349]
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senegal - denmark
1-1
well this gives some chance to france (or uruguay)
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far-east monkey
from psychiatry hospital in osaka on 2002-06-06 09:57 [#00252363]
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nice game!! i wonder if Zidan will play tonight game.
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