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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2002-06-19 17:48 [#00275151]
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OK, I respect your opinion. Thanks.
Now, I really should go... cya.
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nacmat
on 2002-06-19 18:00 [#00275175]
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see you tomorrow
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2002-06-19 18:28 [#00275214]
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hello everyone i heard today that perugia broke contract with ahn jung hwan-he scored the golden goal for korea yesterday
probably hwan himself doesn't mind that too much, because im sure he can get a better contract outside italy
about championship- brazil is going to win this championship for sure i hope hehe
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tunemx
from Budapest (Hungary) on 2002-06-19 18:44 [#00275241]
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They just wanna protect the guy's life :-)
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-19 18:56 [#00275266]
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hehe.. yeah i also heard that ahn was allowed to leave perugia 5 months early to go training with the national squad... i guess they don't need him that badly anyway :)
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nacmat
on 2002-06-19 18:56 [#00275267]
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thats weird.
imagine brazil and spain played the final, and roberto carlos scores the golden goal for brazil... I dont think he would be fired of real madrid
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-06-19 18:56 [#00275269]
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Did you hear that the Korean player got fired from his team in Italy
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2002-06-19 19:00 [#00275275]
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:) i guess its more because of a negative publicity for the club.
but on the other hand its also to protect the player
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2002-06-19 19:01 [#00275280]
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i don't think perugia would fire carlos hehe
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nacmat
on 2002-06-19 21:55 [#00275596]
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well you know what I meant...
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2002-06-19 22:02 [#00275607]
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i did but now i heard why perugia manager don't want hwan to return to the club.
he said that hwan intentionaly played so good against italy-and he don't want the player who destroyed the italian football playing for his team.
perhaps this manager is the main reason why perugia is in shitty state
hehe
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Darth manchu
from Cambridge (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-19 22:07 [#00275615]
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Re. the Italy vs. Korea match.
All this whining about the referee would never happened if Italy hadn't sat back on a 1 goal advantage. Its something they never learn. Look at the Croatia match. They should have pushed forward to kill off the game, but no, they sat back and lost 2-1. The same thing happens against Korea, and all the team does is complain about the, i agree suspect, refereeing.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2002-06-19 22:09 [#00275618]
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i totaly agree
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nacmat
on 2002-06-19 22:20 [#00275639]
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wise words darth manchu... but you have to understand them... its a shock to be out of the cup for a team like italy and more the way they did
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Darth manchu
from Cambridge (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-19 22:24 [#00275642]
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Oh yeah, i understand you there, but they only have themselves to blame. Sure the referee was a bit dodgy, but one of the best teams in the world cant just scrape through with 1-0 wins.
Plus, you cant say that even a tiny part of you wanted to laugh at the mighty falling ;)
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2002-06-19 22:35 [#00275654]
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can u imagine they had 5 excellent strikers sitting on the bench?
i know i can't
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nacmat
on 2002-06-19 22:41 [#00275668]
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italian teams have always played catenaccio to mantain the 1-0... but look at the champions league in the last 5 years...they have done nothing, when back in the days they were always on the finals... I think, in italy they should try to play more offensive, as it is clear that the old catenaccio is not giving good results in the last years.
italian teams have not even been in 1/4 finals of the champions league in the last two years... this means, two years without a team among the 8 best of europe...
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Darth manchu
from Cambridge (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-19 22:41 [#00275669]
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Spain were guilty of the same crime. After getting a goal against Ireland, they took off thier two strikers, and we know what happened there.
The world cup has been all down to underestimation, the big teams havent been in the right mind-set for the smaller teams.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2002-06-19 22:44 [#00275677]
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if brazil do the same thing, im not going to watch football anymore
hehe
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nacmat
on 2002-06-19 22:55 [#00275691]
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the difference is that in spain they changed raul cos he was injured... and at the end ...thanks god we passed
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Darth manchu
from Cambridge (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-19 22:58 [#00275695]
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What about Morientes (spelling?)? :)
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2002-06-19 23:09 [#00275709]
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nacmat do you perhaps know why gerard,dani and javi moreno don't play for spain?
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nacmat
on 2002-06-19 23:33 [#00275746]
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gerard: he hasnt played this year (injured)
javi moreno: he hasnt played this year in milan
dani? who? the striker from barcelona? morientes is better
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nacmat
on 2002-06-19 23:36 [#00275751]
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guardiola: he will finally play in la roma next year
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maxx_damage
from La Paz (Bolivia) on 2002-06-20 00:04 [#00275834]
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Go Spain!!
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nacmat
on 2002-06-20 01:05 [#00275944]
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gracias amigo de bolivia
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far-east monkey
from psychiatry hospital in osaka on 2002-06-20 04:31 [#00276098]
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today's newspaper says that ANN JUNG - HWAN who striked final goal against Italy was fired by A.C PERUGIA. I don't understand why he was fired. Gauch in Perugia owner said that "I won't expect him play well in PERUGIA ."
People in ITALY including Gauch hate him????
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Tasos
from Athens (Greece) on 2002-06-20 04:35 [#00276102]
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HE WAS FIRED???????? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! :-))))))))))))))))
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Tasos
from Athens (Greece) on 2002-06-20 04:36 [#00276103]
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And I was thinking how the hell he would return to Italy!!!!! hahahahaha!!!!
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far-east monkey
from psychiatry hospital in osaka on 2002-06-20 04:41 [#00276112]
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sorry everyone have already known it. it is swell for your collecting info power. i'm embarrassed abou it.
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Tasos
from Athens (Greece) on 2002-06-20 04:43 [#00276116]
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Well mate, I was almost certain that if he went to Italy, he would return the same day... IN A COFIN!!!! hahahahahaha!!!!
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far-east monkey
from psychiatry hospital in osaka on 2002-06-20 04:48 [#00276124]
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hey don't you say too much about him ?? ahhaha maybe he will also break coffin .
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2002-06-20 04:50 [#00276128]
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sour grapes by the italians yet again they're not what you call elegant losers
they moan more than i do!
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Tasos
from Athens (Greece) on 2002-06-20 04:51 [#00276129]
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So, how do you see it mate that you're closer to the cup? Is Korea goin' to beat Spain? Was thinking to place a nice bet on Korea... :-D
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Tasos
from Athens (Greece) on 2002-06-20 04:51 [#00276130]
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earthleakage, i'm in Derby! Next to your city mate! :-))
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2002-06-20 07:22 [#00276290]
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Hwan will send back to Korea from Perugia 'cos he doesn't play well last Italian's championship.
Perugia is angry 'cos Hwan first of the match against Italy was boaster and arrogant against Italy's football in a lot of interviews.
Anyway I'm not agree about decisions of Perugia, but maybe it's the best thing to do, honestly Italy could be dangerous for Hwan, now :)
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2002-06-20 07:28 [#00276301]
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I totally agree with you, 'cos everyone in Italy is angry with Trapattoni 'cos he plays too much defensive game. We'had 5 great strikers and we didn't use them, it's a shame.
BUT TRY TO UNDERSTAND:
We know that we played not well, but 5 regular goals denied are really too much for us.
The referee MORENO from Ecuador, while Turkey had Collina against Japan, is too much.
WE ARE ANGRY AGAINST TRAPATTONI FOR HIS DEFENSIVE MODULES BUT WE ARE VERY ANGRY AGAINST FIFA AND REFEREES TOO.
ITALY HASN'T POLITICAL POWER MORE INSIDE F.I.F.A. AND THIS THE REALITY.
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2002-06-20 07:48 [#00276326]
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Who really risk to back home in a coffin are the referee Moreno and Blatter, not the poor Hwan...
But they are too intelligent for come to visit Italy in this period... :-D
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nacmat
on 2002-06-20 09:18 [#00276388]
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yea I think that is normal that italy is mad at the referee or at the fifa, but not at the player...he just scored for his country...what did italians expected? lots of players in this cup play in spanish league and if we played against them we would understand that they have to fight for their country.
besides, you say that in peruggia they were mad at him cos he had said some bad declarations about italy...what did he say?
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2002-06-20 10:08 [#00276415]
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First of the match he said that he knew very well Italian players and that they weren't so strong.
He said: "We'll destroy Italy without much problems" (or something similiar).
Ha hadn't very much fairplay and he was arrogant, imo.
Korean ppl hadn't much fairplay too... I remember the seats red and white who wrote "AGAIN 1966"... this wasn't fair play, imo.
btw: They forgot that was their rivals of North Korea that won against Italy in 1966 and not South Korea.
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2002-06-20 10:10 [#00276420]
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Now, Italians supports the followings teams: SPAIN, BRASIL, ENGLAND and SENEGAL.
But in the next match between SPAIN-KOREA, all Italian nation will watch the match and will support Spain, believe me Nacmat.
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2002-06-20 10:18 [#00276429]
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********** IMPORTANT *************
Nacmat, did you notice the differences between referee and linesman of TURKEY-SENEGAL and SPAIN-KOREA... now you can see clearly how much important is a Turkish like president of FIFA's referee.
These are the laws of the actual football, unfortunately :(
Read below:
SOUTH KOREA - SPAIN
Referee - GHANDOUR Gamal (EGY) Assistant Referee 1 - TOMUSANGE Ali (UGA) Assistant Referee 2 - RAGOONATH Michael (TRI) Fourth Official - MANE Saad (KUW)
60 SEN : TUR 22.06.02 Osaka 20:30 Referee - RUIZ Oscar (COL) Assistant Referee 1 - RATTALINO Jorge (ARG) Assistant Referee 2 - GIACOMUZZI Miguel (PAR) Fourth Official - VEISSIERE Gilles (FRA)
SPAIN: EGYPT, TRINIDAD & TOBAGO, UGANDA and KUWAIT (Anybody of these referee has an important experience in international football apart this world cup...)
I'd like to imagine a match in the TRINIDAD & TOBAGO's league.
TURKEY: COLOMBIA, ARGENTINA, PARAGUAY and FRANCE. (3 referees from important championships as Libertadores and concaf + 1 european from France)
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-20 10:33 [#00276442]
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did you know the fifa has officially stated that they are very satisfied with the performance of the referees?
that's too sad
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2002-06-20 10:38 [#00276445]
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Yeah, I read Netlon... it's a shame. They told that Romero made a good work in the match between Italy-Korea, so I don't understand why F.I.F.A. sent back home in Ecuador, Romero instead of referee next matches of 1/4, semifinals or finals. Poor football...
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-20 10:49 [#00276451]
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well woofer... it's all well and nice to hunt for conspiracies, but maybe we should have a little faith this time. there's nothing we can do about it, and yesterday i saw you swear on this board for the first time!!
it's hard to say 'it's only football', i know, my team didn't even qualify. but we have to get past it, and i have been enjoying this tournament greatly. i hope you will too, for the rest of the world cup!
:)
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nacmat
on 2002-06-20 10:53 [#00276454]
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woofer: what can I say...I am afraid that referees will be kinder with korea than with spain...but as they are hosts its not vey extrange... normally teams do a great world cup when they are hosts and in part its because referees are a bit kind with them... nothing new
but what really worries me about korea is that they play really good... they dont have any great player, but as a whole team, they do a great job, they never stop running during the 90 minutes and they play very offensive... this is what really worries me about korea...the rest is just something we cant change, so spain can only worry about what we can control...and that is that we are 11 vs 11
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nacmat
on 2002-06-20 10:55 [#00276455]
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btw raul will surely NOT play
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-20 10:58 [#00276457]
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why not?
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nacmat
on 2002-06-20 11:00 [#00276458]
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he was injured against ireland, (thats why he was changed)
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-20 11:05 [#00276461]
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well, then spain are f*cked...
j/k morientes will play, surely? it will be ok...
the korean airlines have offered guus hiddink 4 years free flying! sweet deal, except they've had a planecrash once every year for the past 8 years :)
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