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nacmat
on 2002-06-18 10:05 [#00272179]
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japan - turkey
0 -1
its a shame... again defense beat attack... (turkey did the same as spain... I am ashamed of seeing that I dont like what turkey did...and thats just what spain did)
it was very nice seeing japan in this world cup... their matches were very enjoyable
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-18 10:16 [#00272198]
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i enjoyed how the japanese crowd started screaming even when a japanese player had the ball miles away from the goal. they are very enthusiastic, hopefully they will still be coming to the other matches, even though their side is out
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nacmat
on 2002-06-18 10:21 [#00272203]
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korea - Itlay
do you think the fifa wants korea to pass as they are the only home-team left?
do you think the referee will maybe prefer korea to win?? can italy be stolen more goals today?
woofer what do you think?
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-18 10:24 [#00272215]
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i think the opposite! the fifa hired a shitty referee for belgium-brazil in order to let brazil go through, imo. brazil and italy are one of the few favourites and i think the fifa will do anything to see them go through.
i don't know who the ref for the italy match is, though. is he any good?
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nacmat
on 2002-06-18 10:27 [#00272219]
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I dont know who will he be... what you said makes sense, but what I said does make sense too
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-18 10:32 [#00272228]
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the referee will be byron moreno, according to worldcup.com (the fifa site). doesn't ring a bell...
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-18 10:34 [#00272230]
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he's from ecuador...
i have a bad feeling about this for italy...
well, at least he isn't from benin or maledives or jamaica. what rediculous policies the fifa has in assigning referees from those football-wise insignicant countries
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nacmat
on 2002-06-18 10:35 [#00272232]
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well a referee wants to do a good match so the fifa can count on him, so I dont thin a referee would ever make a mistake on purposse
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-18 10:40 [#00272238]
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except if the fifa wants him to make a mistake (for example, why the hell did the referee disallow belgium's goal against brazil??)
apparently this moreno referee has only been referee since 1997...
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erik_swanen
from oosterhout (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-18 10:41 [#00272240]
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(is this the biggest topic ever?)
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nacmat
on 2002-06-18 10:43 [#00272241]
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no it is not...neither is its aim to be
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erik_swanen
from oosterhout (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-18 10:44 [#00272243]
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dude, then i really wander what the biggest is? i'll find out one day I guess
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nacmat
on 2002-06-18 10:45 [#00272247]
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remember:
brazil 1 turkey 1
last minutes... penalty for brazil (why?..it was a fault like 2 metres out of the penalty area)
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-18 10:50 [#00272254]
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yeah...
also in the world cup 4 years ago france were almost too lucky... i missed the final against brzil cause i was on vacation, but my friend and i couldn't believe it when we learned france had beaten brazil 3-0.
france had been so lucky, winning only after penalties in previous matches, while brazil had been playing superbly (against holland, for example.
my guess is brazil sold the game. they had to win in 1994 and they did. they didn't need to win in 1998, so they accepted lots of cash from france.
call me paranoid if you like, but i don't trust the fifa (sepp blatter) at all...
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nacmat
on 2002-06-18 10:54 [#00272263]
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I think thats too much... no, I dont think everything is as false as you are saying... I hope not
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-18 10:58 [#00272269]
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i told you i'm a bit paranoid :)
i hope it's not that way either.
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nacmat
on 2002-06-18 11:57 [#00272343]
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I think it will be a hard match but finally italy will make it
I go with italy cos woofer is my friend
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-18 12:01 [#00272346]
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yeah me too, of course :) but i do hope italy won't stick to defending but show their skills for once.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2002-06-18 13:06 [#00272444]
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1-0 for italy tough job for the referee now
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Quernstone
from Padova (Italy) on 2002-06-18 13:09 [#00272445]
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Go on Italy!!!!!!!!!!!!
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2002-06-18 13:12 [#00272447]
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italy needs to score at least 2 more goals to win this match hehe but im sure they will make it its a good surprise seeing totti,vieri and del piero play together
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Peter File
from the future!!! Ooooh chase me! on 2002-06-18 14:17 [#00272514]
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Whoa. 1-1
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nacmat
on 2002-06-18 14:27 [#00272528]
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I cant believe this
woofer must be on the verge of a nervous breakdown... we are with you woofer...you can make it on the extra time
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Peter File
from the future!!! Ooooh chase me! on 2002-06-18 14:55 [#00272576]
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OH MY GAWD!
Korea are through!
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Quernstone
from Padova (Italy) on 2002-06-18 14:58 [#00272579]
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GULP :o( )!!!!!!!!
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nacmat
on 2002-06-18 15:01 [#00272582]
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2-1
korea wins.... or better said...fifa wins
I think they stole the match to italy...italy should have won... but...
I AM SORRY WOOFER, YOU WERE THE REAL WINNERS FOR ME.
there was an offside that never existed and totti was fired out for nothing... I am sorry cos really referees have stolen you this world cup...
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-18 15:04 [#00272583]
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man!!! italy ruled for 80 minutes!! they gave it away!
the ref was good, but totti shouldn't have been sent off and the offside goal wasn't offside after all. again, italy got robbed...
but the koreans should have finished the job in the minutes after the equalizer anyway.
woofer, i feel for you, lad :(
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Quernstone
from Padova (Italy) on 2002-06-18 15:05 [#00272587]
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So where is this tournament being held? Corruption in football.
Never!
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-06-18 15:35 [#00272624]
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You're all great guys and friends...
So what I say may be unpopular BUT I have to say this >
Congratulations to Korea, they kept going despite Italy defending defending defending so hard and frustrating them for so long. Panucci really messed up for the equaliser, he will have nightmares. Vieri then missed an open goal 1 minute later. As for the "Offside" it was SO tight and you have to trust the linesman in a split second. You can't give Italy the decision just because they were unlucky against Croatia. THAT would be corrupt. The referee was excellent. Italy played a dangerous game of defending after 18 minutes and it went wrong. Tough on Italy , but to call it a FIFA conspirasy is hysterical and makes you look slightly pathetic .
WELL DONE KOREA !!! It is one of the most exciting finishes ever !
Great finish equal to =
Man United v. Bayern Munich (Barcelona) Spain v. Yugoslavia (Euro 2000) Liverpool v. Alaves (UEFA final 2001) England v Greece (Old Trafford)
I'm amazed ! I had money on Italy to win the world cup but I don't care because I have just seen a truly classic game ! WOW !! :D
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-06-18 15:37 [#00272631]
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Bad luck woofer, I hope you don't harbour bad feelings ; I don't think Italy played their best this time and Korea will probably never play this well again, Its just one of those days I guess :(
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-18 15:39 [#00272636]
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strictly, korea didn't have one good chance till they scored, and even that was a present from panucci.
after that, they deserved the win. sorry for italy, but GO HIDDINK :)
as for the offside goal, when in doubt, the referee should always give the attacking player the advantage. that never happens, sadly...
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Quernstone
from Padova (Italy) on 2002-06-18 15:42 [#00272644]
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How are you feeling Nacmat? Now that Spain must face the might of Korea.
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nacmat
on 2002-06-18 15:43 [#00272646]
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smokehammer, I am very happy for korea, I like this kind of surprises in football, and I also like teams that never stop attacking (as korea) but you have to recognise that the referee was a bit kind with korea (its normal, they are the home-team)
Man United v. Bayern Munich (Barcelona) I saw that game...incredible!!
Spain v. Yugoslavia (Euro 2000) I was working in a restaurant as a waiter and all the stuff were screaming of happiness all around the tables on the restaurant... it was great
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nacmat
on 2002-06-18 15:44 [#00272648]
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as for the offside goal, when in doubt, the referee should always give the attacking player the advantage. that never happens, sadly...
so true
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nacmat
on 2002-06-18 15:46 [#00272653]
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I wanted to face italy to get revenge from 1994, but no doubt that in the paper korea is easier, but they have all the fans support and they never stop running...spain will have to play much better than with ireland if they want to pass, but for sure they are easier than italy.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2002-06-18 15:52 [#00272669]
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im very dissapointed to see italy out of the championship but i have to say they did everything to lose
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-18 15:53 [#00272671]
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spain will have learned their lesson not to stop attacking after they score 1-0 (which i'm sure they'll do)
and even if the score is a draw after 120 minutes, the koreans are extremely lousy at taking penalties :)
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nacmat
on 2002-06-18 15:54 [#00272675]
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and we have Iker casillas ...
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nacmat
on 2002-06-18 15:59 [#00272691]
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things that worry me:
raul may not play
hierro usually commits penalties such as the one he did to ireland on the last minute (besides less than that will the referee need to give a penalty to korea)
koreans never stop running
they have lots of fans
they are good and fast, and our defense is slow
they make a strong preasure all over the field and spain is not doing a great job with the ball movement around the midfield...so they might make us loose passes
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-06-18 16:00 [#00272694]
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I think Spain must learn from Ireland and Italy.
Spain retreated against Ireland and let them attack in the second half. They held on to their lead and it was so nearly fatal.
Italy did exactly the same against Korea, and it WAS fatal. Italy love to defend a 1 goal lead, but I really think they should have attacked more, but they brought on defensive midfielders for attackers (just like Spain did v. Ireland)
SO. I want to see Spain attack Korea, down the left. Down the right. Through the middle. Not 1 or 2 players, but 4, 5, and 6. And if Spain score, they should try for more goals and be brave. If you just try to sit back on a lead, you get what you deserve .. an equalizer.
But who knows what next ? Spain v. Germany semi-final ? It could even be Korea v. USA ! :D
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-18 16:02 [#00272701]
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the koreans do not score or create opportunities easily.
they do indeed never stop running, but they have been doing so for the past 4 matches, i bet they're gonna be tired soon :)
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nacmat
on 2002-06-18 16:03 [#00272706]
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totally agree with you... one question... for what have you seen so far... whod do you think will win between spain and korea????
do you think spain is strong enough??
please tell me what you think, dont answer me good things just because I am spanish.
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nacmat
on 2002-06-18 16:18 [#00272754]
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KOREA OOOOOOOOOOO SPAIN.............O ......................O ......................OOOOOOOOOOO USA................O OOOOOOOOOOO GERMANY.......
BRAZIL.......... OOOOOOOOOO ENGLAND.......O ....................O ....................OOOOOOOOOOOO SENEGAL.......O OOOOOOOOOO TURKEY.........
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nacmat
on 2002-06-18 16:20 [#00272764]
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KOREA OOOOOOOOOOO SPAIN.............O ......................O .........?????... ......................OOOOOOOOOOO USA................O .........?????... OOOOOOOOOOO GERMANY....... .................................................???????
BRAZIL.......... OOOOOOOOOO ENGLAND.......O ....................O .......????...... ....................OOOOOOOOOOOO SENEGAL.......O ......?????...... OOOOOOOOOO TURKEY.........
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-18 16:24 [#00272775]
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if it's gonna be korea-usa i'm going to emigrate to timbuktu ;)
spain had better deliver the goods this time or korea are going to run with it again!
the way brazil have been playing, especially against belgium, they are going out against england, who have way more team spirit.
as for senegal-turkey, i don't care much, they both have my sympathy. turkey looks more solid, though
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-06-18 16:28 [#00272797]
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OK nacmat, here's my view>
Spain are at their best when they have the ball central in their opponents half, with players making angled runs. A quick one-two, a diagonal pass , a slide-pass to unlock the defence... Raul is the most "Deft" player in the tournament..he 'thinks' movement and knows instinctively about space; Lineker was similar for England. So Spain should put 5 in midfield and squeeze the game in the middle. If it gets strung out and there is space in the middle, Korea have lots of energy and can out-run Spain.
I honestly think Raul is the best player in that game, and Korea know that too. But Raul MUST be supported more, he needs Valeron to step up and assist him more. Maybe even consider Tristan with Valeron and Raul because of the Deportivo connection which was so good, (although not so good recently). But Morientes will stay because he has a good head , and understands Raul well.
It will be hard, because I think Korea are fitter and have more running, but I have noticed that they make mistakes with passes when there is no pressure. Spain have to be brave and give Raul men to play off in the last third of the pitch and they will win, but unless they are brave, then I favour Korea.
Honest chances = Spain 55% Korea 45%
Spain knew they were lucky and won't want to make it so hard this time.... Korea are acting already like they won the cup, so that should play into Spains' favour.
prediction > 2-2 > penalties 4-3 to Spain :D
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nacmat
on 2002-06-18 16:50 [#00272872]
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your knowledge about spanish football is incredible...how are you so well informed?
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tunemx
from Budapest (Hungary) on 2002-06-18 16:53 [#00272887]
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SPAIN MUST WIN!!!
Poor sissies Italy was not strong enough. They are pathetic.
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nacmat
on 2002-06-18 16:57 [#00272901]
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whats sissies?
I am glad that you support spain
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-18 16:58 [#00272904]
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girly boys :)
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