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I mostly like it when you get all "grown up" now and then, but this one seems a bit of a hit and miss. why have gotten a kind of brokephonesesque avatar, btw? |
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I think r40f put things nicely into perspective in his post. Fair play a lot of people have respect for the guy, but he is just a human, no better than you or me, he has had a good life and not suffered much. I have noticed a lot of people on the board (including yourself), have no problem laughing at the misfortune/mistakes of others....what makes this guy so special? |
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no sir, you are the tool. |
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it's a tool-off! |
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my point there! |
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You are talking nonsense. The anti condom issue is a lot more rooted in the Christian (not just Catholic beleif) that sex should only take place in a monogomous relationship between a married man and woman. If people chose to ignore this teaching why would they then choose to abide by the idea condoms shouldn't be used? The fact of the matter is that the resolve with which the pope refused to concede to casual sex as acceptable has made his an easy target for blame. The simple fact of the matter is that both education and availablility of contraception in Africa is beyond woeful. |
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wait a minute. I'm confused now. who is or is not a tool? |
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thats nonsense. complete and utter nonsense. |
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Twenty minutes from now when ecnadniarb has moved into a different stage of drunkenness we'll all look back on this and laugh. |
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We have to treat him different because he wears an awesome hat that few people can look good in. |
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Not suffered much? For fucks sake...he lost his mother and brother before he was 14 years old, his friends where taken to concentration camps and murdered then he had to go into hiding to practise his faith. He was 58 years of age before he became Pope with all the added benefits, then he was shot in an assasination attempt. The things he has done a numerous to mention. Before you type utter bollocks it might be better to find a little out about the subject. |
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yes, education about and availability of contraception in Africa is pretty dire, but aren't a lot of Africans also devoted Christians? in other words, would the condoms have been readily available, how many religious Africans would've actually used them? so it isn't "the pope's fault" but he certainly hasn't helped this already awful situation - which in essence isn't about monogomous relationships between men and women, but about saving lives. the situation in Africa is radically different to the situation in the western world, so it could be at least called short-sighted to just convert the same methods on a wholly different situation. |
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Isn't the real message- Fucking is for making more Catholics- not "for a monogomous bla bla...? And don't you think the contraception issue would be a wee might improved if he said to the poor African woman who can't afford another child and maybe has a husband that fucks aids-ridden whores- "It's okay to make your husband put a piece of rubber on his penis so he doesn't kill you" |
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Yes, I am not really defending his viewpoint as a belief of my own...however I think he is entitled to it even if I don't agree with it. |
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Hey were forgetting his other master stroke. Didn't he say pedophillia was ok as long as it was only 'once in awhile'? |
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No |
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Virginpusher, yeah man, its MacGyver. Who is the greatest human ever. Just purely amazing. And he like's pandas allso. |
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Humor is subjective. If something's not funny to you don't laugh about it. Laughter is sometimes faked for various reasons too especially at conventionally taboo/serious things, maybe to make others think they are tough or something. |
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hahah! good one m8 |
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Bravo. He has done a lot of great things and good of you to back that up. pf: Ace! MacGyver is ace! |
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wow! i go away for 45 minutes to type a grumpy email to the IT department, and this thread has blown the fuck up.. there's too much typing in here. has anyone stormed out proclaiming that they won't be back yet? |
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Fags and lesbians straight to hell. In short-"growing consensus, certainly among the faithful, among the bishops, that it is too great a risk to reassign a priest who has abused a child to another ministry." But he left open the possibility that some priests who have faced allegations in the distant past but have served without further incident for many years would be allowed to remain in the ministry" Deadniabr- you are ignorant of all but the myth and dogma. |
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im waiting for MJ to say something similar anyday now |
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Congratulations on posting a link that in no way attributes the Pope with saying anything like "pedophillia was ok as long as it was only 'once in awhile'", you drawing a conclusion isn't the same as fact you know. Anyway well done for exposing yourself as a bigger tit than Janet exposed at the superbowl. |
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imo, human life is most important. everyone from the pope to the starving folks in africa are equal. the pope is about to die a relatively easy death. probably pass in his sleep. he's not going to be crushed by debris in an earthquake and bleed and suffocate, he's not going to starve to death -- he's going to fall asleep secure in the belief that in moments he will pass into heaven and live eternally at peace. relatively nice way to die, if you ask me. |
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You're right. He said "its ok as long as you didn't like it." Don't you think that might of been a fine time to anounce a zero tolerance policy on ass-fucking little boys? I'm still waiting for evidence of all these great humanitarian things you say he did and I might not take such enjoyment in trashing you if you didn't come out as such a pope-nazi |
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You're right. He said "its ok as long as you didn't like it." And where did he say that? The only reference to the Pope in that peice is saying that he referred to it as a 'crime' and that it should be dealt with by civil authorities as opposed to cardinal law, which I would have thought was the most sensible response to give. And please...don't try to fool yourself into the beleif you are trashing me...you just look foolish. |
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By allowing the cardinals to review the cases and use thier judgement on the matter he is abdicating the power of his position and not perfoming his duty which would be to protect the faithful from ass-fucking priests. Not issuing a zero tolerance policy is a tacit acknowledgement that cases could STILL be swept under the rug. In fact, if you had any real knowledge on this subject rather than just an opinion, you would realize that many personelle files of priests in the US were sent to the Vatican for 'review' and thus remain immune for subpeona by US courts. -Still patiently waiting for evidence of his great works... |
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Pfft, you're not worth responding to. They aren't immune from supeona at all. Fuck this for a laugh, you obviously are too blinkered in your views. |
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worst comeback ever |
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It wasn't supposed to be a come back, you just have to draw the line at trying to discuss things with pig ignorant Americans. It's happened before, it will happen again. |
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Yeh, he just took all the joy out of it. |
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If you can't make light out of bad situations events. Your going to live a pretty miserable life |
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There's a different between making light and being outright disrespectful. |
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Like calling me a "pig ignorant american?" There is also a difference between being a raving asshole and actually articulating and supporting your ideas. |
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yeah have some respect, his wife & kids must be going through hell at the moment |
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There has to be a certain amount of disrespect for it to be funny. |
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Pig Ignorant American |
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That is the funniest thing ive heard today. Thank you earthleakage. And now that I am quite done fucking off at work I will go home and await the blossoming of this thread into a memorial to all the fine deeds the pope did to better the world as Deadniarb googles himself a clue. Just for the record I do think that the Pope had a fine heart and provided spiritual hope to millions of people, but much like Jesus, his message is co-opted by the machinations of the church. As long as supernatural beliefs control the minds and actions of the masses, men will continue to use those beliefs and actions to advance their own vested interests and power...regardless of the consequences of those beliefs and actions on those who do not believe and act as they do. Religious dogma is the single most divisive and destructive creation from the mind of Man in the affairs of Humanity. God rest his soul. |
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Well it seemed like a 'debate' to me and you just gave up when he presented some good material. I've seen better reasoning skills come out of George W Bush's mouth than the poo flinging you just did. |
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If you see fabricating quotes as active debate you deserve Bush as your president you dumb fucker. |
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I'm not talking about the fabricated quotes. I'm talking about that last post he did that you didn't bother responding too. |
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You just gotta accept that internet messageboards are full of bitter nerds that like to mock the misfortunes of others to get their minds off their personal misfortunes at life. Or something. Anyway I don't like seeing this stuff either and I agree, but at the same time, you just can't take it too seriously. We don't act online like we'd act in real life. Or something. Or something. |
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Well if you had bothered reading the post I made prior to that one, or bothered to read the article yourself, you would have seen that what the pope said was that it was a crime and that it was a civil matter not a cardinal one, which sort of relegated everything that tosser wrote in his statement directly to the bin without me needing to respond. It also doesn't require a genius to see the wisdom in not issueing a zero tollerence policy given the vulnerable position priests are in leaving them open to the posibility of false allegations. If the matter was proven through a civil court beyond reasonable doubt that the priest was guilty then he would be defrocked, simple as that. |
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im celebrating it, its yet another victory for atheism! :D |
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yes, thats true, but its not what happens. Like godatloss said, the opposite has happened. the priests becomme immune for subpeona by US courts because they get sent to the vatican. Even here in the US on a local level, catholic priests just get transferred instead of prosecuted. It happened at my grandmas church in NY (which is catholic), every so often they get a new priest when suspicions arise. |
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As you seem a little slow on the uptake as well as poorly informed, let me spell it out for you. There have been thousands of cases of catholic priests ass-fucking little boys. Have there been numerous instances of folks just now jumping on the "I got ass-fucked by a priest" bandwagon? I'm certain. Have there also been thousands of cases not brought to court? Yep. What the pope said, or more importantly didn't say, was (attention all! fake quote alert! In an attempt to not only illustrate my point, but try to do it in an interesting way I'm going to switch to an ironical tone. The Pope did not actually say this "I know you priest have been doing some ass-fucking. TONS of ass fucking in fact. I've got your fucking files here safely tucked under my robe. Unless you've done so much ass fucking that even we can't save you, I will leave it up to the local cardinal to decide if the asses you've fucked are litigious enough to sue us. If they just grow up to be BRAINDEAD (cough,cough) little soldiers of the faith with floppy assholes, we'll just pretend it didn't happen. We offer you absolution. After all, it's not like you're gay or anything. (wink, wink)." |
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Arguments over religion are what most of the problems in this world are based over. I think that no matter what you believe or not, you should respect the belief of the individual. If Ecnadniarb feels this way, then those of you whom I think have disrespected him, should back off and accept what he says. Afterall each one of us is entitled to an opinion. This constant bickering and name calling will not achieve anything whatsoever! |
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I'm actually one of the least religious people you are likely to ever meet as it happens...please don't confuse my willingness to counter argue an issue as me being an indoctrinated moron. As far as the cover up of peadophile activities amongst the clergy, yes it is sick, yes there have been far too many instances, but to accuse the Pope as being directly responsible for this through the use of a witless diatribe serves no purpose what so ever. I can see why he would want an internal investigation into the allegations, whether this is hampering federal investigations or whatever I am unsure about due to relative lack of information this side of the pond. But you, and others here, are attempting to paint a picture of a man who is a manifestation of evil which clearly isn't the case. He is mortal and he will have made mistakes, however I have seen nor read anything that would imply he has acted with anything less than the best of intentions. |
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