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from planet mu's web site from planet mu INTERVIEWER; File sharing seems rather bad for small labels but then electronic music labels are some of the most downloaded on the internet – even though home taping didn’t kill music this seems like something different – MIKE PARADINAS; Well, our sales are down... I'm sure Rephlex and Warp's are too. It must be at least 50% due to downloading mp3s, it might not be - who can tell? It could just be there are less people buying cds generally and electronic music is just unsexy. But the low sales mean we can't release much vinyl anymore because it loses money unless we sell over, say 1500 for a 12" or 3000 for an album (2LP) just for that format - and not many releases sell that much these days. I was talking to my man Mark Melton (who used to work for GPR in early 90s, you know - Black Dog, Beaumont Hannant, Luke Slater etc.) and he was saying that whatever album he released in 92-95 was guaranteed to sell 10,000 - 15,000 minimum or at least 5000 - 7000 for a 12" single and when they started to sell only 3000 for one of their 12"s they were in trouble... so when the UK gets true file sharing capabilities (beyond 40 mins on a phone for an mp3 at 128k) then we'll all be in trouble. |
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"Nobody listens to techno" |
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Hehe at my last dj gig on Saturday I played that song like 4 times throughout the 8 hours, and I totally muted the volume through the mixer at that part on the Emimen song. . . it pissed people off, because none of them were really fans of "techno", and I was playing alot of electronica anyway. |
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Mike P. is damn right. |
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How could they lose money on vinyls due to file sharing?? One sure as hell cannot burn songs to vinyl. . . if you want vinyls you have to buy 'em, is what I mean. Also, if they overall want more profits record labels and music stores all over the world should cut back on cd prices a few bucks, and that would make a HUGE difference. They'd get more sales, alot more sales, and they'd be making more profits, I am sure. |
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this is straight from the horses hoof dude, argue with mike p, not me |
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well, the big labels should cut back |
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this really didnt need a new thread... could have been continued on the other one... |
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if they planet mu cut the price theyd have to sell more CD's to keep afloat, thats economics dude ;D |
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hehe yah you're right. |
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I believe that this whole music-industry thing is in a transition fase. Where the 'old' industry has a lot of trouble catching up with technology. I'm all for progression |
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the other thread was way too cumbersome/aggro, this is the reasonable version, with mike p's voice as the head honcho duderinatron |
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I think you're right plug, unfortunately small labels also have to take the brunt of big labels' complacency |
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you're not seriously going to stop making music though quiv are you? |
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but rephlex and warp arent anti-technology, but they are the ones suffering the most |
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its all a product of mass culture |
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i will make it as a hobby, but that inevitably means i wont be able to release very much, because after working a full day, i just wanna chill with my mates and a beer/ganja-pipe |
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Way back when I had so many copied tapes. Same thing "Home taping did not kill music" |
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Rephlex's website is anti-technology! That's a case of "old-skool" being very "un-kool" |
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I think its more a case of piss-poor, still beats annoying overused flash :D |
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did you read that section of the interview, mike p says his sales have gone down 50% even though the interest in IDM has grown massively in the past 2 or 3 years (esp in the usa) |
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Unfortunately Quivvuulum,it's true,they're the ones who are suffering the consequences and please not to forget the artists themselves,I will just keep on saying,support them in any possible way you can,after all they deserve it for bringing us what we really like,musically speaking......==) |
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"beer/ganja-pipe" don't use this combo on a hot day like 2day,.cuz man,.....I almost fainted. 33 degrees celsius and flying high |
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could record labels have not said that back in the 80's though? |
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thanks dude, mucho-respecto |
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I really enjoyed your set in Munich. I was the guy with the "out of my tree" t-shirt on in case you noticed. |
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at pathos? |
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zzzzz....}:> |
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Pfff haha whatever, there are lots of musicians who still be making music if if they didnt earn a dime ! Why dont you stop being so naive and face the fact that you cant support yourself with Music that appeals only to a minority ? |
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Amen monoid! |
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ahh, but it doesnt appeal to a minority, it appeals to hundreds of thousands of people, aphex sells 2-300,000 cds, |
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Yah I highly doubt downloading will kill the music industry. Before cd burners and file-sharing came around, EVERYONE recorded casette tapes and cd's to blank casette tapes, and yet still everyone bought plenty of real recordings as well. |
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but aphex is the most well known and arguable the most commercial viable, he's mastered his image |
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just that most those people are only willing to download. why not read the first message rather than jumping to conclusions mono? |
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read the interview dude, a record company has to sell at least 3000 copies of a cd to start making profit, all the record labels sales are probably down by 50%, so lots of labels will have to close down because of mp3s |
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they couldnt copy a tape from someone on the other side of the world could they dude? |
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Good point I guess. |
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:D |
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A Marxist Philosopher/Art Historian called Walter Benjemin predicted that the value of art would go due to mechanical reproduction/photography. I still prefer to have the original CD even though it is usually available online. The original art object will always have value as a photograph of a Picasso will never be worth as much as the original. |
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"read the interview dude, a record company has to sell at least 3000 copies of a cd to start making profit" So small labels who press something like 1000 copies R doomed 2 fail? |
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It puts pressure on designers to make the packaging better so you want to own the object as well as the music. |
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yeah, at pathos. When you started everyone was worried there was gonna be more of what Russel Haswell did (which didn't come over very well) but you certainly got everyone rocking after a short while! |
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if you sell 1000 copies, youll spend more money than youll make |
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have you seen russels neck, shit it looks fucked, a massive scar from ear to ear, poor thing, he tried to top himself |
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Techno orianted labels that release mostly Tool Techno for DJs, are making profit when they sell more than 1000s Vinyls........ |
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good |
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Study: File sharing boosts music sales Hundreds of millions of songs may illegally trade hands online every month, but file swapping may actually be causing people to spend more money on music, according to a new research report. A study released this week by Jupiter Research reports that about 34 percent of veteran file swappers say they are spending more on music than they did before they started downloading files. About 14 percent of heavy file traders say they now spend less on music. The findings, which are drawn from a survey of 3,319 people conducted last summer, are contrasted with claims from the record industry that file sharing and CD burning have been key contributors to a drop in major-label music sales in 2001. "It is safe to say that active usage of online music content is one of the best predictors of increased consumer purchasing," lead author Aram Sinnreich wrote in the report. "Music sellers should devote their limited resources to online marketing and distribution--rather than eradicating the phantom threat of file sharing--if they truly wish to stanch the blood flow and turn the music market around." You can read the rest at .... The recent Poll at Soulseek was pretty conclusive as well... ... |
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Who's Russel Haswell, and what did he do? |
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oh dear. that's gonna hurt. btw there are pictures from that show here: http://ab.art.de/media%20archiv/pictures/warp.htm |
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I've actually started buying CDs again after a rest of many years....I must have ~1000 of em so I dare to think how much the labels have made from me... Wish Warp would say thanks for us buying all those early CDs, instead of branding us thiefs (They recently tried to get Soulseek to filter their files...)...WARP wouldn't be where they are without all the people who bought their product when they started... |
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