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how? to produce 1000 vinyls costs $4 each (for a short run) Mastering - $3000 label design - $1000 artists upfront fee - $2000 shops take 50% of the profit from sale add that up and youll find that the breakeven point is usually between £2500 and £3500 depending on mono print, 4-colour, special colour etc |
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there's nothing like owning a cd, mp3s don't compare |
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WHO CAN PROVE THAT FILE SHARING IS CAUSING RECORD LABELS TO LOSE THAT MUCH MONEY ANYWAY?? Seriously!! So a company notices that it's profits have dropped dramatically, how could they possibly link that with file sharing? |
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sound wise, mp3s are pretty close to CD, even at 128 its pretty hard to tell the difference |
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mike p says so, so its just if you trust him or not |
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most idm packagings are a bit deceiving... some are really nice, but no booklet or something... i think all artists should put more track clips on their websites, and longer to get a real idea of what it sounds like (10-second, crappy quality clips aren't enough to give you a real idea)... warp's website is very well done on this point, but for some artists there aren't any at all... and if, besides, they're impossible to find in stores and you have to order them (goddamn, i hate this when you have to wait several weeks or months to get a single cd... :( )... it's very bad for their business -_- |
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not if you burn them to cd's they sound shit. And I don't like the computer whirring when i'm listening to music |
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by market analysis |
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good idea uzim |
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and I wasn't talking sound quality wise completely, I meant having a case and cd etc, not something that's just virtual |
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i'd like more in my squarepusher booklets (if you can even call it that!), but i'm quite content with just listening to the cd |
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Yep B3n,there's nothing like it,plus if you happen to own an original vinyl that's even more satisfaction....mp3 are just that,there's no artwork,no nothing,just the music,and personally,I need everything as a whole........=) |
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ive done tests, comparing an mp3 i made from one of my CD's to the original. ive then burnt the mp3s to cd and put the original in one cd player, and the mp3 copy in the other cd player. I press play on both then crossfade between the two, no one ive tried that with can tell the difference |
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the thing is, you don't even feel like to 'own' it |
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yeah sure, but cases just get in the way dont they? CD folders take up a lot less space dude |
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I dunno, but I that statement is from one of the labelowners of "Thunderground rec". Mastering is done on the computer....label design is done by a 17 year old CS clan memember, with l33t Photoshop skillz.......Artist are only getting paid if the record breaks the point even. So there, they are mostly releasing records for the love of the music....... |
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I bought and own 6 µ-ziq cd's. And I also downloaded a few songs that I dont have. |
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yeah but really the music is the irreducible element isnt it? |
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well then you must have a pretty brilliant encoder/decoder cos all the ones i've burned sounded like overcompressed indefined toss |
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yeah love of music, great! but where do they get the money from to produce the CDs / vinyl in the first place? |
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oh come on they don't take up *that* much space, and anyway, I like having them so I can see them from spines etc, its like my library |
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are you burning from cd, or vinyl? |
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riaa and record companies are getting more and more unpopular i guess... have they planned something to counterbalance this? i agree with B3n with cds and stuff... and listening to music, laying on your bed at night, with all lights and computer off is great ^^ |
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See that's exactly my point,you love U-ziq and have 6 cds,but the rare-hard-to-find tracks you have to dld because can't find it anywere....It's like me with RDJ,I have more than 10 cds plus some original AFX vinyls,but there are some stuph that are almost impossible for me to find,so,mp3 is the solution,got to have everything from my man.....==) |
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from the one's i've tried off the net and the one's from my own cd's didn't sound too good either |
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a CD case is like 10 times the width of a CD, I have 3 or 4 hundred CD's in 2 folders - portable, easily. not so if i had all the cases too :D |
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To be honest, I think IDM listeners are less likely to be solely downloading stuff without buying.. and it may be a quality thing...before MP3s a lot of people bought MU or WARP stuff on sight without listening to it...now they have the chance to preview with MP3s, the borderline tunes & the ones they don't like, they simply don't buy.... Now who's fault is that?...strikes me that it's just the consumer balancing things out... |
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50% drop in sales dude - mike p speaking there not me |
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what's sad about this is that it won't be as easy to discover new music now, to hear what are people talking about when they talk about one track (example: photek — ni ten ichi ryu, i downloaded it as soon as i read the topic and i like it... maybe i'll buy a photek cd but i already have too much cds to buy :))... and what about the "rare", unavailable tracks? |
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I don't need to ever move them though. if I was moving around I would but i've got no need. i've got about 300 and they take up a small portion of a cupboard ok, it could a big huge cupboard but its not, trust me |
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who are you anyway...........tell uz |
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yeah. i've said this before. analogue bubblebath 5 wouldn't have any problems selling, so its not solely down to pressing costs etc |
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okay dude :D, i guess some cd covers are worth keeping, but IMO most are crap, vinyl - now thats a different story |
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Oh yeah Quivvuulum,the music is what I really want,I'm just saying,need also everything that comes with it..... The only thing I really collect on mp3/cd-r are live performances by electronic music artists.....If you know where I can dld music performances,that's besides Soulseek,let me know.........:) |
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man, im no one, really, just someone interested in this discussion, just think of me as a virtual person :D |
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thats cool dude |
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well i'm a cd kid apart from my masses of 45's. I like imagery on cases but some minimalistic stuff takes the piss |
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mike p, smike p...who cares?... theres an large amount of people saying completely the opposite...I kinda trust independent study (as quoted above) and also, my own experience & that of other people on these boards... Personally, I think it's the ability to preview that affecting CD Sales...A lot of downloading takes place by people who wouldn't dream of buying anyway so that isn't affecting sales at all... |
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yeah I burned rephlex braindance session to cd but it just sounds so much better on computer |
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minimalistic stuff would look nice if they used special colour rather than standard CMYK colours ;) |
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maybe the writer software isnt too good at creating wavs from mpeg |
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What do you mean by Braindance session B3n,is that the show???? Is it recorded from soundboard??? |
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I don't want another arguement thread but I think its just all to do with mass culture. kids may like the mainstream music they hear but it doesn't inspire them like it used to because its so commercialised. there are no hendrix's or floyds to look up to, so the music doesn't mean as much and they don't buy it. with mainstream monopolising all types of media many listeners don't even get the chance of a look in on more varied stuff |
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its from BBC Radio 1 a few months back, its excellent |
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I agree B3N...CDs sound far better than a 128MP3...you can get CD quality out of MP3 if you know what you are doing... and the booklet/case/artwork is all part of the music...in art terms, it's akin to a frame around a picture... I wish we could look beyond "MP3s killing music"; I really don't think it's that simple... |
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How big are the chances that I MIGHT have pirated some of your MUSIC quivvuulum ?! |
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Sorry to bug you B3n,but where is this show available,in BBC or is it also on Soulseek???? |
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yeah, nothing in life is simple, this isn't either |
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should be on soulseek, mines very big for a 56k, 150 megs, maybe a lower bitrate one somewhere |
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I dunno...I it difficult to say, perspective change as you get older; I'm sure they have artists they admire like we did... |
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