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quivvuulum
from southhampton (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:10 [#00273396]
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but look at the experience of labels like planet mu, a CD that would sell 6000 copies 4 years ago will now sell only 3000, even though demand for IDM has gone pretty crazy.
and 3000 is borderline profit, ie anything above 3000 will give the record company and artist about 2 per item
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:11 [#00273397]
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really? who?
I'M ones of those kids and I know if I wasn't into this stuff, i'd sure feel alienated.
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quivvuulum
from southhampton (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:11 [#00273399]
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£2
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:13 [#00273402]
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I just cought my nipple on the door handle. its hurting a lot
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quivvuulum
from southhampton (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:16 [#00273403]
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ow
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babydieonchord
from Middlesboro' (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:18 [#00273406]
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Hey quivvy : I read that mike p interview you copied and pasted (illegally I might add) from spittoons and sabres site. In it he doesn't say that it is downloading causing loss of sales, he just says it is a possiblilty - "...who knows" he says. There. Now shut up. If you can't support yourself because people steal your produce, then get a job.
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quivvuulum
from southhampton (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:19 [#00273409]
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it aint illegal dude, its public domain !
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quivvuulum
from southhampton (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:20 [#00273410]
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i have a job babydieonchord, and dont ever tell me to shut up, okay?
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jand
from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:21 [#00273411]
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read what I said about people previewing & not liking what they hear...
That would explain CD sales being down as well...
so it could be one or any of these things...as mike p know; hence the "who knows?.."
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Cheffe1979
from fuck (Austria) on 2002-06-18 20:22 [#00273413]
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this was just about to get a civilized discussion so plz calm down
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jand
from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:23 [#00273415]
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B3N: I've no idea...I'm old :)..
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quivvuulum
from southhampton (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:24 [#00273416]
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yeah, take it up with mike p dude, im getting tired of this !!
:D
CIAOU DUDES!
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Cfern
from Sacto (United States) on 2002-06-18 20:24 [#00273417]
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well i'd say everyone one here is fooling themselves if they think that they buy more because of filesharing. thats bullshit.
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babydieonchord
from Middlesboro' (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:24 [#00273418]
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mmm,shut up. dude.
and how come halfway through the large thread you start saying "dude" when you're pretending to be rdevine, and you sound much more like cylob. Who is a large small artist. chris, if it's you - chill out.
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jand
from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:24 [#00273419]
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see ya...
dude...
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jand
from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:26 [#00273421]
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I def buy more...& I think the same is true for a lot here...
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2002-06-18 20:27 [#00273423]
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Hey Cylob whats up ?
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quivvuulum
from southhampton (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:27 [#00273426]
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shit, how did ya know i was cylob (poor deluded fool) and by the way dont provoke me by telling me to shut up, i know you are just trying to cause trouble, just get lost why dont you?
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core
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:27 [#00273427]
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mike p is right. home taping didn't kill music, but file sharing will, and it is definitely currently having a devastating effect on our favourite 'underground' labels.
here's why: 1. home taping = you only copied one album for one person at a time.
2. file sharing = you upload an album in minutes, and thousands of people download it.
think about it.
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jand
from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:28 [#00273428]
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I soooo wish he hadn't tried it on with the Riciard Devine lark...
This is pretty interesting subject but I dunno if it's got anywhere...
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Cfern
from Sacto (United States) on 2002-06-18 20:30 [#00273430]
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it's very true. but i still buy albums, so
addimitedly i wouldn't have heard of alot of aritsts i know about know. there is no monthly magizine about this shit
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2002-06-18 20:30 [#00273431]
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Hey Cylob when will you start to make good music again ?
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quivvuulum
from southhampton (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:30 [#00273432]
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when you grow up dude
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jand
from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:30 [#00273434]
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oh smooth...you're Cylob now...
core: I've thought about it...and theres a dozen other reasons beyond simple file sharing...I don't doubt that sales are down but I don't feel it's file sharing on it's own...
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quivvuulum
from southhampton (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:31 [#00273435]
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well done dude
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quivvuulum
from southhampton (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:32 [#00273436]
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i didnt say that dude, monoid said it, actually Im global goon !
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quivvuulum
from southhampton (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:33 [#00273439]
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sales are down, but popularity is up massively, hence all the TV adverts with IDM music
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quivvuulum
from southhampton (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:33 [#00273440]
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;)
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babydieonchord
from Middlesboro' (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:35 [#00273442]
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chris - don't worry, you've had 10 years making money - now you can have 60 years slowly dying and festering in poverty. At least you don't have children to support like luke or mike p.
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quivvuulum
from southhampton (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:36 [#00273445]
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thanks babydieonchord, but im not REALL chris from cylobe
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Cfern
from Sacto (United States) on 2002-06-18 20:36 [#00273446]
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sales are generally donw 12% in the last two years. i have many friends who are getting laid off. my fav. and only record shop in my town of Davis just shut down. mp3s are killing the industry, period.
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jand
from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:37 [#00273447]
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I can't hack this anymore...
it's like debating with the deaf...and I can't be arsed to keep repeating myself...
see ya later, people...
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:37 [#00273448]
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cylob, devine (I doubt), bobby davro, whoever it is, could you please just stick to one name (and it be the true one)
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quivvuulum
from southhampton (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:37 [#00273449]
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from another horses mouth, all these downloading dudes are in denial, its funny really
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quivvuulum
from southhampton (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:39 [#00273450]
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jeez man, that was monoid calling me cylob - put it this way i am an unnamed IDM musician, who youve all heard of
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Cfern
from Sacto (United States) on 2002-06-18 20:39 [#00273451]
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i mean REAL record stores are closing down. this is not imganary so while people say that mp3s don't hurt the industry explain why sales are down 12 percent in the last 2 years. many labels are on the verge of bankruptcy
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:39 [#00273452]
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small businesses of any kind always come and go. VERY few record labels make it, just cos they do shit you can't blame it on something else
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2002-06-18 20:40 [#00273453]
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So....on SLSK, I actually talked with some other signed IDM Artists, and they didnt mind that I shared their ALBUM & E.P.s Hey.....actually they were pirating stuff themselves....whatcha say about that !?
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VampireAngel
from San Juan (Cuntland) (Puerto Rico) on 2002-06-18 20:41 [#00273454]
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Yes my phriend Jand,we all made our points already,I made mines very clear,so that's that...I just hope that people could really understand what the artists have to do in order to deliver the goods to ourselves,just SUPPORT THEM!!!
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:41 [#00273456]
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then don't tit around, we've had enough problems with people pretending they are signed up to reflex or rdj's gay lover or whatever
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quivvuulum
from southhampton (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:42 [#00273458]
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well i can tell you the opinion of most IDM artists I know is that they are being fucked over by their fans downloading MP3s
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:43 [#00273461]
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then the people who get the mp3s only are not fans
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quivvuulum
from southhampton (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:43 [#00273462]
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man im not titting about, you would all know me if i mentioned my name, but i wont, im only interested in this discussion, on here we are all equal dude
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:45 [#00273465]
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yeah sure but couldn't you have signed up as 'bob' or something....just acted anonymous rather than passing yourself off as a different artist
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quivvuulum
from southhampton (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:45 [#00273467]
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well done vampire, most other people are in denial, thinking:- "i cant possibly be held accountable for my actions having an effect on the musicians whos mp3s i download"
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Narkotic
from United States on 2002-06-18 20:45 [#00273468]
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i'll admit the main reason that turned me from buying CD's was becuase my whole collection was stolen from me ( i had them in a big portable CD carrying case ). after thousands of $$ was stolen like that i just coudlnt' buy another one. I used to buy them like crazy.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2002-06-18 20:46 [#00273470]
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Oh yeah ? Actually I asked them if I should unshare their tracks ?
Do you hate your fans ?
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quivvuulum
from southhampton (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:46 [#00273471]
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yeah quivvuulum dude!
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quivvuulum
from southhampton (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:47 [#00273472]
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you talking to me?
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quivvuulum
from southhampton (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 20:48 [#00273474]
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i have no feeling towards my fans dude, unless i meet them and we get to know each other
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