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why do you usually watermark stuff? |
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I think its ok. |
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This is the most fucking awful thread filled with the sorriest bilge but it's the official thread and I am compelled to abide by the rules. From the off, this album is majestic, it's BOC turned up to 11, it's the sound of the band pressing ALL the buttons and finding an extra set of buttons under the main consol, it's the BOC blueprint expanding and blossoming into strange new colours and forms. This hand wringing about guitars, people have been blending acoustic and electrical instruments since year dot, get over it. For people worried about BOC stagnating, well here, they've expanded their palette, and I think they've done it immaculately. By the time you get to "Satellite Anthem Icarus" any wondering about guitars has become irrelevant, the instrument already seems as much a part of the BOC sound as the grubby tape recorder and the keyboard with the pitch thoroughly rogered. Also one should bear in mind BOC have always used guitars, whether in their early days or on the various "Old Tunes" compilations" there are several tracks featuring guitars. I think this album is uplifting, warm, sunny, very smooth but with great details under the surface. Background sounds that could be water or they could be static, bird song that could be an oscillator phapping, voices that could be anything,... this is what was playing inside Skylab as it hurtled toward Kalgoorlie (that's my Pitchfork moment). The world hits freeze frame when I play "Tears from the compound eye" (there's another). It's also VERY BOC. If you don't like BOC, or you're half hearted about them, I don't think this'll win you round. If, like me, you love BOC, then you can't fail to be dazzled by the fucking incredible, lovingly crafted sound of BOC at the height of their powers. |
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I picked up my copy today and I'm very pleased with the album. I don't really have much more to say than that. |
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very nice to read this from you. My copy has arrived today and i am about to listen to it for the first time. |
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yeah, just got this. Listening for the first time. Its fucking GREAT. I don't know what most of you people are rambling about... |
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"I think this album is uplifting, warm, sunny, very smooth but with great details under the surface. Background sounds that could be water or they could be static, bird song that could be an oscillator phapping, voices that could be anything,... this is what was playing inside Skylab as it hurtled toward Kalgoorlie (that's my Pitchfork moment). The world hits freeze frame when I play "Tears from the compound eye" (there's another). " yes,yes all true. but what makes it any better than hundreds of other albums in the same vein? even more, what makes it non boring? im not having a go at you hear, im just interested what you have to say about that :) |
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"but what makes it any better than hundreds of other albums in the same vein? even more, what makes it non boring?" Ill have a go at that question... its better then hundreds of other albums in the same vein, because even if its in the same vien, its still very BoC, and I love the BoC sound and vibe. Its like... why is Mozart better then all the other composers that were doing classical music in the same vein? Well... uh, its mozart, just listen. And boring? Well, thats extremely subjective... its not boring to me at all. Im sure it would be to others, but I really dont care, cause it isnt for me. |
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erm... doesnt affect me. |
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classic music is a bad example for me as im not too familiar with it :) but yeah, i see what you're saying. it is subjective. |
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I know ( I think I know ) what you're getting at. But this isn't no random, anonymous ambience with beats album. BOC are originators, they've been hacking away at this for over 15 years or so, they've arrived at this sound channeling their influences, what tools they had to hand, working at getting tapes out, records... you can hear all that in there, there's a love of music here beyond "laying down some crisp beats" and "what do you think about these melodies, do they need changing?" ... BOC are in another league, and you can hear that in the music, BEYOND the music, this is lovingly made, crafted, human music. I think this album is a stellar leap forward, like RDJ with his Analords, in a way no one, not even the most rabid fanboi, could predict. Because they, like true artists, are playing by their own rules, and thank goodness we get to hear the music they're making. |
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yeah! they don't only write music. but they put it in a space. like writing an environment in which some music might be playing. but it's a world like a child's diorama made in art class. nostalgic, colorful, melancholy, inquisitive with an honest attempt at realism. |
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I've just given it my first listen and I am not sure how to put this...... |
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I think I will have to get stoned and listen to this at home loud! |
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hey guys, it's me again... I just bought this today, and listened to most of it my car while doing some errands... listening so some of the latter tracks right now, and I must say, I am very pleased with this... I haven't encountered a bad song on it, and overall my first impression is better then any first impression I've had with BoC... I love the way the guitars are used in the music... the way I see it, it's just another instrument adding to the mood, and for me it fits perfectly... I think the best thing I'm finding with this album is that there don't seem to be that many pointless 1 or 2 minute tracks on this... pretty much all the songs seem fairly long, like 4-6 minutes long... there are maybe 1 or 2 songs which seems like a shorter vignet, but that's good... something to give a little break in the album, but also it's not overkill with like half the album composed of those... but yeah, I'm very happy with this so far... I think it's very much in the BoC vein, but also a step forward... again, it's subjective of course, but I'm liking this... just thought I'd stop by again and see what you guys thought of this! :) |
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you have the power to move people´s thoughts |
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BOC are in another league, and you can hear that in the music, BEYOND the music nicely said. the band's name, persona, artwork, and recurring themes all help to contextualize the music. by using this multimedia, and sticking with it over the years, they've activated whole new thought processes; they've given us an entirely unique framework for evaluating their tracks. I think that's what gives it the edge.. that sense that you're entering that BoC universe when you press play.. not just flipping on another ambient record. This all sound highfalutent and idealistic, and I hate people that trump up certain records or bands too much. Still, I can't deny or downplay the influence they've had on me personally over the years. Based on this, I know it has worked the same way for many others as well. |
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That's what i thought too. I love this album! |
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ive just finished listening to it the first time, and im not going through a second, but skipping around more, to get the sense of each song. [caution: spoilers for those lamer than me and waiting even longer to hear it :P] so far im pretty half and half on it. in true boc fashion, it starts off with a :44 second synth ditty. its pretty forgettable. then came chromakey dreamcoat. that guitar... eew. i know boc is known for detuning things, but it simply doesnt work to this extent on a guitar. i patiently wait for that icky sample to begone, because other than that it sounds fine. at 3:00, it finally does, but only for a little while. at 4:30, the song ends, and a little postlude comes in, which let me take a breath of relief. ok, so boc do know how to mix guitars. satellite anthem icarus comes in with a cheesey waves/whitenoise fading in and out and a guitar line so derivative it could be on a stain'd record. a standard boc beat comes in, and the song pretty much meanders from there. this song is a good example of about 2/3 of the record. forgettable. peakcock tale comes in with more of the distant, softer guitars, which sound a helluva lot better. then in fades the beat, and saves the day! pretty chorus vocal synths lay ontop of what i imagine is a back country band dressed all in white, jamming out in a barn somewhere, with a hole in the roof shining down on them. in dayvan cowboy we get a taste of boc using a distored guitar, and a very my bloody valentine line it is. it sounds great, but youre constantly waiting for a beat to come in. unfortunately, that line fades away, and a line comes in, cleaner and chorused. it seems theyll be going the vanilla way of sai, but then the beat comes, and essentially thrusts your head into a frightful headbob. for the rest of the song were on for a delightful roller coaster ride through a drum set. we then meander through basic boc territory for a few tracks. nothign really exciting here, but its not bad either. |
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I think that little postlude at the end of chromakey dreamcoat is my absolute favorite moment on this album. i love when that woman's voice just starts to come in at the end as the song ends. sooo good. |
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atarnochr...whatever... its not even worth me bothering to spell it right. hey saturday sun sounds as cliched as its name suggests. constants are changing brings in three or four guitar/synth lines layering to make a beautiful cascade of blue and purple. it only lasts 1:42, but thats a perfect length for this song. it fades out with you wishing you could hear just a little more. slow this bird down has a gorgeous backwards synthline reminds me of some of the short tracks on mhtrtc which i always wished boc had fleshed out. and thank god, they sure to flesh this one out. a classic 909 hardcore kick makes you stomp your feet, but the stuttering snare on top is what keeps you moving. the synths continue to grow to form a massive canopy of synths with sunshine peeking through. unfortunately, this is the last joy of the record. tears from the compound eye and farewell fire bored the poo out of me. its just super standard boc melodies drawn out for too long to not change. the mediocre beginning and end dissapoint me, which unfortunately effects my attitude over all, because the choice tracks in the middle are spectacular. overall, i give it a 3.8/5. ps sorry for the dopey imagery, i of course had to smoke a bowl while listening to this. :D |
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Ahh, 'Constants are Changing' that's another of my favorites on this album. my wife's too. |
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you and your wife have good taste :D |
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Bought this release from bleep the other day. I can't stop listening to it, very beautiful music. |
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I thought I wrote something here... it is quite ok. not their best. makes me think prefuse in certain areas, but that's probably just me. some of the tracks are obvious classic-ish, though... *puts it on again* |
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the way i see it, is that at their beginings they were obviously in a world of their own. their music seemed almost like out of this planet, you couldn't put them in any group of people that were making music at that time. therefore i found it honest, not corrupted by outer world. with this new one i just can't trust them anymore, it's obvious to me that they wanted to make something that would sound good in a trendy way. and the thing is the songs just lost their magic charm, and it's quite obvious that they can't make interesting trendy songs, most of them are draging and don't go anywhere. there are couple of very nice songs, but my mind can't decide whether they're honest or fake..it's subconcious. |
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Ok, so my questions would be, how does one go about making a trendy album, and what elements of TCH are trendy? To me, making a trendy album would be someone hearing, I don't know, some of this New New New Wave / Art Rock on the radio and thinking "I want a piece of THAT action" and going out and making a New New New Wave / Art Rock album, a style that they'd never played before. BOC sound like BOC like they've sounded for 10 years or so. They've been/are trendy themselves, you can play any of their material in a fashionable bar / eaterie, hell, I used to play MHTRTC in the Bluebird up the Kings Road. But I honestly don't believe, nor hear, that BOC sat down and thought "Right, let's make this trendy"... I don't even know what that would mean, where would you start, getting a guest celebrity rapper in, having it mixed by James Blunt? |
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haha, obviously not in a pop charts trendy manner. but they had that distinct sound before..some of it is still there, but it's upgraded with more warmth to the songs (this being the trendy part, sigur ros sort of way - not that music is anything alike) and this sort of makes it more user friendly. they had warmth in their sound before, no doubt, but they also had that suitable 'unpleasant' (at least for majority of listeners) sound to it - now they seem to have left this one out and it just sounds too cheesy, especially for them. they're obviously an excellent music makers so i can't see why they would have difficulties making a trendy album. and yes, i find their music to be trendy as well, in terms of electronic music but not for a wider audience. this may change with tch though. |
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one thing I agree with tolst before boc only sounded like boc now boc sounds like boc, but also a little like air (and some others) is this bad? no true fact 1: I like the album .....but (see true fact 2) true fact 2: listening to it last night I had to stop it before ending, I was a little tired of it true fact 3: some tracks here a amazing and probably some of the best by boc ever |
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It is a lot smoother, I'd agree with you chaps there, there's not so much of the unsettling atmosphere like what came up in Geogaddi, or some of the psychedelic weirdness in MHTRTC. The word I really want to use but daren't as it has too many negative connotations... is the word "mature". This sounds, to me, at my advanced age, a mature BOC album.... and I have to say, I really like that. One shouldn't read too much into it, but BOC, like all of us, are getting older, starting to have families, perhaps mellowing (even more so), and that's not a bad thing, and I think, for a band apparently fixated on nostalgia, this album sounds like growing up. |
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Indeed! |
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BoC made another album? Why? |
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Slow This Bird Down has that distinctive BoC evil slow drum breaks sound they get by layering breaks and fucking with the delay times. Its a quintessential part of the BoC sound, and it strongly reminds me of a track from MHTRTC but I can't remember which. Tears From The Compound Eye is a grower as well, is that a pipe organ I hear? |
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let me put it this way; i hope richard never ever goes that 'mature' way. i hope he keeps exploroing sound and composition and doesn't just settle with something 'likable'. i can't imagine people like stockhausen, cage,.. in that situation. they'd probably never get this recognised if they would have just settled with something not adventurous and inovative. i sure would love to see boc going back to that with their next album as well. |
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sorry if this has been said before, but.. peacock tail is undoubtedly the most cheesy thing they've ever made. it makes me think of some generic holiday-resort-in-island-paradise commercial... images of the natives, a few all-green mountains and "magical" beaches with a couple on could accompany this easily. |
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peacock tail is my fav track as well |
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I think RDJ did go "mature" with Analord. But I don't think maturing means no longer innovating, I think it means acknowledging your age, your audience, reflecting on your own personal history, and making developments in ways that aren't always bombastic and obvious. |
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I think Peacock Tail does a good job of mixing in hints of that 70s Kool And The Gang funkiness with the layered handclaps. I dont really find it cheesey - no more than say, Aquarius. |
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ok, but then that means staleness, not improving, repeating yourself and therefore getting a bit boring. but yes, now that i think of it like this, boc were never really sound pioneers. most of their recognition came through that certain mysteriousness (sp?) in their music, a bit of misticism about them and all that. dunno.. richard on the other hand is trying to push barriers, therfore i'd be really really disappointed if he'd just settle with making ordinary songs. can't wait to hear what sort of music he'll be producing in his 40s, 50s. i will be either all ecstatic or hugely disappointed. same goes for autechre - can't imagine them stop researching music and just settle with something not intriguing. "and making developments" - see, i can't hear any of that in tch :( |
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... ..cheesy? |
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Analord was not pushing barriers at as far as i am concerned. It's pretty overrated i'd say. If anything it's a bit of a kick in the teeth after drukqs. I am still bemused because i think that tracks like oscar see through red eye are full of more intricasies than anything on the analord series. xm5d is the only notable track in the analord series. |
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yeah, i agree. analord didn't push any barriers but it was a new thing for richard, well there are similarities with some of that hab or bubble bath releases but still pretty different. on the other hand boc keep repeating themselves. analord seemed more like a review through his work but in analogue way. there's a lot of variety in it and therefore it doesn't get boring for me. tho there are quite a number of songs that drag a bit. however i don't even see this as a 'normal' release. so in case his next album is going to be in this vein i will be very very disappointed. |
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It doesn't mean staleness, not improving or any of those things. Who constantly forges ahead further and further into exploration of sound? And those that do, do you know where they always end up? Experimental fucking jazz, like that's the thing at the centre of the universe. Take Bowie, whether you like him or not, whilst he always changes he always takes something from his past too, his own legacy and history, it's what makes him interesting, like his own narrative or musical world. And with BOC too, you can't expect them to completely cut off from their past and come out with Mad Cut Up Acid Breaks. People are fucking tired of this relentless "experimentalism" that sounds exactly the same. Richy D said much the same himself, it's played out. It's time to revist what made electronic music great, not push on down the current cul-de-sac. I seriously couldn't sit through that whole Jackson album, it was like the horrifically obvious conclusion to IDM, horrible. |
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No, it isn't new for richard though! It's just a extention of all the stuff he did for r&s isn't it? There were so many more interesting laces he could have gone with his sound. What about all the piano stuff? As far as the campfire headphase goes it was exactly what i wanted. Which is more boc, I think they are the only band whose sound i don't really want to change. It's so distinctive. I think it's comparable to pink floyds 70's sound. Which is also really distinctive and interesting. |
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well, i love free jazz more and more every day. you can't hear that must brilliance in any other music played live IMO. :D but let leave that aside. i agree on bowie and richard totally. ofcourse i wouldn't want them 'experimenting' in any other way but their own. you can still do that and keep your specific mark on it. i wouldn't want bowie to start making free jazz now, nor james do art rock music. "It's time to revist what made electronic music great" yes, and now he's done that so i hope he moves forward with his next one. boc didn't do this in my eyes though. sure they did the same thing as they always do but this time equiped it with that trendy sound i was talking about earlier. but hey, if people like it good for them :D i just don't see any improvement in it, nor revision of what made electronica great :) |
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Trendy sound my arse! Hehehehe Boc have always had this trendy sound. It's only because they get more popular with every release. More people kee hearing about them. Where is the crime of music being easy to listen to? |
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there's no crime in that. hell, i love sigur ros. but boc didn't really do it in a good way. it doesn't suit them at all and just makes them a part of the trendy music scene rather that a trendy scene of their own like they used to be. but to answer more specifically; most of it is a boring listen. as much as i would love to listen to it the whole way through i keep skipping tracks because they drag for no apparent reason. i love second song though! |
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Free Jazz! I knew it, i knew it... UNCLEAN!! UNCLEAN! Hmm, I don't know, ... I don't know what the answer is. I just love this album already, I guess it's that boring old thing, subjectivity, godamnit! |
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Well that's cool dude. I am debated out about it to be honest. I am really just a huge fanboy. I love everything they have done. |
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the difference being that BoC have never really experimented that much. if you listen to the old BoC you can basically see a straight line in the development they had - that's okay though, but I wouldn't say they have matured simply because they haven't even been adolescent yet. BoC do one thing very well, being BoC and making BoC music, but they're not the ones to go to for suprising and/or interesting music. so I don't hear the great leaps you hear they've made. I don't hear two guys who have "run out of ideas" because I don't think they work that way - they keep grinding away at what they always have done. but it did use to have more edge. they've started to sound like some lounge music act, treading dangerously close to New Age music. you call it maturing, I call it going for the "adult contemporary" section, nicely settling between the sets of "Chill Out 14" and "Lounge Classics 4". music like a teethless old age pensioner slowly licking your face, trying to find your mouth. |
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