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Inverted Whale
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2002-06-21 15:08 [#00278390]
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Is it time to create a file sharing community of our own? The soulseek community is great, but its open nature might be its downfall.
We're a pretty tight community of folks here, I think there are enough people to sustain a new registration-only file sharing server. We should discuss this before we're in panic mode (i.e. if soulseek dies).
All we really need to get going is someone to lend bandwidth and a server program. This isn't hard to do, I already run a private opennap server for a few friends. The problem is that it is technically a violation of my ISP contract. It's ok for a few people but get 100-200 people on it and it would be noticed. Maybe someone with a more forgiving ISP or at university could run it. I would be willing to lend a hand in getting the actual server running and could admin on a regular basis if necessary.
I would say it's best to use the opennap software as the server, it's actively developed, has good clients on all platforms, and has a nice chat system based on irc.
But the hardest part I'd say is overcoming general apathy - soulseek still works, why should I use yet another program? I don't want to trade with people with private FTP and web sites, because there is no sense of community there.
What should we do, or should we do anything?
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pOgO
from behind your belly button fluff on 2002-06-21 15:10 [#00278393]
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yes, but how? And how do we avoid those nasty legal people ?!?
lol
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Inverted Whale
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2002-06-21 15:14 [#00278398]
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I can do everything we need on the technical side. We'll just need people to connect, share, and chat.
I'm not a legal expert, but by keeping the server registration-only to known members of our community we should be small enough to be overlooked.
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-21 15:16 [#00278401]
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yeah that'd be very cool
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-21 15:17 [#00278402]
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would it be using limewire or something?
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pOgO
from behind your belly button fluff on 2002-06-21 15:17 [#00278403]
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we'll have to call it something like "Free Music? No free music here ?!"
lol
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supreme
from Antwerp (Belgium) on 2002-06-21 15:18 [#00278404]
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This is a very good Idea!!!
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AlbertoBalsalm
from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2002-06-21 15:20 [#00278407]
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i think it's great idea. let's go for it :)
one question tho: how does opennap work?
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Inverted Whale
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2002-06-21 15:20 [#00278408]
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What it would run is up for debate, the opennap server is a descendant of the original Napster server and should work really well for our purposes. WinMX and Audiognome are the main Windows clients, I think.
Limewire is decentralized, we would not need a server if we decided to go that route. I wouldn't want to do that because chat abilities aren't that great.
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AlbertoBalsalm
from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2002-06-21 15:21 [#00278410]
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let's call it 'nutronic' ....that's pretty cool name :)
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Nexus 6
from Netherlands, The on 2002-06-21 15:23 [#00278413]
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Hey man, that's a great idea! Let's do this! If I can help in any way... don't hesitate to ask...
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Inverted Whale
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2002-06-21 15:24 [#00278414]
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Originally opennap was just an extension to the irc chat system to allow the server to index files for searching and sharing. The chat system is pretty much the same as irc. Soulseek users could figure it out in about 5 seconds.
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Inverted Whale
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2002-06-21 15:27 [#00278416]
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If you want to see how opennap works, here's the server list. You'll need an opennap client like WinMX.
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fat kaimo
from Finland on 2002-06-21 15:30 [#00278419]
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one thing came to mind... what happens when all the people using soulseek/kazaa/winmx etc. realize that your p2p-thing is a lot better and everybody starts using it... it becames what you tried to avoid in the first place...
just a thought.
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Nexus 6
from Netherlands, The on 2002-06-21 15:33 [#00278422]
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you need to create some kind of security thing so that only people from this mb can sign up
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-21 15:36 [#00278423]
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the server could probably be password if needs be couldn't it?
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Inverted Whale
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2002-06-21 15:36 [#00278424]
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They'll have to ask for an account on the system to use it. I'm not sure what the criteria will be for letting people in - but it certainly won't available for anybody who asks.
If you want to help - what we really need to get started is a machine on which to host the server (preferably Linux or *BSD, but Windows would do in a pinch) preferably outside the USA. Bandwidth requirements are very small.
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fat kaimo
from Finland on 2002-06-21 15:37 [#00278428]
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then everybody comes to this mb...
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fat kaimo
from Finland on 2002-06-21 15:38 [#00278430]
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aw shit... i'm not a lurker anymore... this sucks.
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Inverted Whale
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2002-06-21 17:46 [#00278621]
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I have set up a test opennap server for us to use. If you would like an account on this server, please email me at the address in my profile. Let me know your aphextwin.nu username in the email and if you want to keep that nick or have a different one.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-06-21 17:49 [#00278625]
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sounds great mr whale :)
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2002-06-21 17:53 [#00278626]
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yeah this does sound like a good idea, if I can help in any way I will gladly do so. ;)
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Sido Dyas
from a computer on 2002-06-21 17:55 [#00278628]
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Great idea =)
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ceiling_fan
from Glasgow (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-21 17:56 [#00278630]
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the pros should balance out the negative aspects (ala the riaa's attention being brought to the mb)...
if it's kept as a close-knit setup then i see no reason for anything to falter...:D
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Inverted Whale
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2002-06-21 17:57 [#00278631]
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Since I have a running server at the moment, the best way to help is to email me saying you want in, and then connect to the server with the details I send you.
Or if your profile email address is valid, just say you'd like an account in this thread and I'll send you the info.
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supreme
from Antwerp (Belgium) on 2002-06-21 18:03 [#00278634]
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"I'd like an account" =)
can you send me the details? Thx.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-06-21 18:36 [#00278679]
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yes please whaley!!!
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Inverted Whale
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2002-06-21 18:41 [#00278687]
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marlowe: check your email
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supreme
from Antwerp (Belgium) on 2002-06-21 18:57 [#00278735]
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Thanks,Inverted Whale!
I'll do it tomorrow,cos I gotta go now. Bye!
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Sepix
from Major City (Austria) on 2002-06-21 18:57 [#00278739]
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very cool plan !
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Mr_Flappypants
from Louisville (United States) on 2002-06-21 19:01 [#00278747]
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it will be called NuShare
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-06-21 19:25 [#00278797]
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i followed your instructions, whale, and it doesn't seem to want to connect -- keeps saying "connecting"!! i think i typed in everything correctly!
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-21 19:40 [#00278821]
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Good idea... although I think the actual files shared would probably be handed round to everyone within a few months... as long as everyone keeps getting files from other sources (ie soulseek, kazaa and *shock horror* actual cds) then we'd be ok... but would it be any different to the aphex.nu room in soulseek? Like Whale says. Unless there was a certified REASON for using this file sharing program and not others... but then you'd end up with jelousy and a mass of newbies (hate that word) anyway, just like what has occured now Audiogalaxy has closed.
I'm pissed, by the way.
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Phatbert 000
from Augsburg (Germany) on 2002-06-21 19:45 [#00278829]
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I was going to suggest you set up a Hotline server where you've got chat, news and downloads but seeing as you've already set things up I won't bother you.
Great idea though!!! I'll just have to find a decent Mac OpenNap program. Can anyone recommend one?
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-21 19:50 [#00278840]
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this sounds good! sign me up :)
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Sido Dyas
from a computer on 2002-06-21 19:56 [#00278852]
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Hook me up!!
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diemax
from somewhere in tennessee :( (United States) on 2002-06-21 20:01 [#00278860]
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count me in! (insert any additional generic "thumbs up" remarks that you feel will add class and intrigue to my post)
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Inverted Whale
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2002-06-21 20:11 [#00278871]
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Phatbert 000: it's been a while since I messed with the Mac. I seem to remember a program called Rapster that worked with Opennap. There's a newer program called iSwipe that seems to work with everything.
Netlon Sentinel: You don't have an email address in your profile, but you could email me.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-06-21 20:33 [#00278891]
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OK, I don't really have a clue how this works, but I'd like an account, e-mail in my profile. Sounds cool, whatever this is.
*laughs at Diemax
Ahhh, the hilarity!
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diemax
from somewhere in tennessee :( (United States) on 2002-06-21 20:44 [#00278902]
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okay i finaly signed on, and it's the greatest thing in the world
or it would be
if there were more than
CUNTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCKING FOUR FUCKING PEOPLE IN IT- JOIN UP YOU FUCKING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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diemax
from somewhere in tennessee :( (United States) on 2002-06-21 20:45 [#00278905]
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heh heh it fucked up my post- bastard!
*if there were more than FUCKING FOUR FUCKING PEOPLE IN IT- JOIN UP YOU FUCKING CUNTS!!!(etc... etc...)
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-06-21 20:47 [#00278908]
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COME ON YOU CUNTS!! GET IN HERE YOU LAME FUCKS! :D
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diemax
from somewhere in tennessee :( (United States) on 2002-06-21 20:49 [#00278909]
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yeah let's have some xehpa acid
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-06-21 20:51 [#00278914]
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Does no else see what is happening to other fileshsaring sites.
It is a BAD BAD idea
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diemax
from somewhere in tennessee :( (United States) on 2002-06-21 20:51 [#00278915]
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oh and if anyone's having trouble figuring out stuff i'd be happy to help, just im me w/ hotmail im or aim
placidecstatic@hotmail.com
oh and: i'll only be on for another half hour
so join now and save more!
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Tasos
from Athens (Greece) on 2002-06-21 20:52 [#00278916]
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that's a great 'fuck' topic. On with it guyz...
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diemax
from somewhere in tennessee :( (United States) on 2002-06-21 20:53 [#00278921]
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c'mon... join
join while you can save!
save more!
yeah!
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diemax
from somewhere in tennessee :( (United States) on 2002-06-21 20:58 [#00278926]
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wtf are you talkin' about?
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-06-21 21:06 [#00278938]
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I've had WinMX for a while, but it doesn't seem to want to connect at this moment...
I've been using... gulp... KAZAA to get some stuff this morning, and it makes me want to headbutt my monitor. Please, Soulseek... please... arise.
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diemax
from somewhere in tennessee :( (United States) on 2002-06-21 21:06 [#00278939]
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people should keep posting on this so as others sign on it remains at the head of the list- just a thought, and now, i'm going to work (shudder)
have fun you cunts!
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