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offline big from lsg on 2024-06-02 10:23 [#02635928]
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maybe they are tankie bad. this article seemed fine though


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2024-06-02 11:45 [#02635929]
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it's typical campist rubbish


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2024-06-02 11:55 [#02635930]
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like, read between the lines: passing references to
yugoslavia, syria, ukraine, without any mention whatsoever
of milosevic, assad and putin doing a little bit of genocide
there. but that would detract from the glib
"anti-imperialist" narrative where the only bad regime must
be the american empire. it is, after all, the centre of the
world.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2024-06-02 12:15 [#02635931]
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I suppose if you need a political education in reddits and
memes, from the little I've seen you could do a lot worse
than /r/tankiejerk
People are there seem generally reasonable though take it
with a grain of salt (it's reddit)

My experience trying to join the PSL
Any overwhelming opinion on the PSL?

But honestly just don't bother with the provincial foreign
policy opinions of americans (canada included), you've got
better ones at home. The state of the american left is
tragic.

Look forward to Tony going extremely butthurt at this post
because he's been reared on different reddits and memes.


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-06-02 13:01 [#02635933]
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The Iraq War was about oil - Bad Empanada


 

offline mermaidman on 2024-06-02 14:16 [#02635934]
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guys it's gays month why are you arguing when we can
celebrate all together?


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-06-02 16:50 [#02635937]
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i want to create a race of werewolves with my dick


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2024-06-02 17:13 [#02635939]
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i'm not arguing


 

offline mermaidman on 2024-06-02 23:18 [#02635943]
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sorry


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-06-03 13:44 [#02635961]
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lol

By all means, read tankiejerk. Also google the terms campism
and campist and see how they're being used and who's using
them.

Tremendously clarifying.


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-06-03 13:45 [#02635962]
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merman is right tho, we should table it for HoMonth.


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-06-04 12:27 [#02636007]
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floating in a lotus position six inches above my yoga mat,
moisturized, apolitical, at one with nature, thinking Gay
Thoughts


 

offline belb from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2024-06-04 13:54 [#02636015]
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read that as Gary Thoughts

first Thought: Busey


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-06-04 14:02 [#02636016]
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Firmly uphold Gary Busey thought.


 

offline mermaidman on 2024-06-04 14:42 [#02636017]
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this is the month our hetero members should consider putting
a finger up their bum at least


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-06-04 18:40 [#02636033]
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my research was just clicking through on one article (for
the Ukraine or Crimea thing), and seeing it was another
leftist org making the critique. which is fine

i genuinely don't know whether there's really tankies or
whether on org like this PSL just focuses on the West a lot.
in the West, one should focus on the West, i feel is pretty
justified. of course other big powers are probably never
really and truly good. still, i'm pretty neutral on China (i
still have to watch Bad Empanada's on the Uyghurs. meaning,
yes, i have looked away too much. but i'm pretty sure
China's not good, or bad, there.)

i hadn't heard of the PSL yet


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-06-04 18:42 [#02636034]
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pride


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2024-06-04 22:33 [#02636045]
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I mean, the Campism wikipedia article has actually got a
great bit about exactly why I think this sort of stuff is
noxious.

More broadly, "support" for a camp usually amounts to
rhetoric and protest that yield no "concrete gains", because
few campists hold political power and each "camp" is a
massive entity. A "preoccupation" with "abstract" questions
of foreign policy "has been historically corrosive for the
left, leading to bitter fights over precisely those issues
which we are least able to affect".


And that to me is why these sorts of grand chessboard
geopolitical issues attract so many cranks, conspiracy
theorists and other assorted grifters and nazis. It provides
you with a captive audience and endless whining and
disaffection and barely any opportunity to affect anything.
What are you going to do, the CIA control your whole world
anyway. In fact everyone who disagrees with me is CIA.

It's not radical, it's not brave, it's not even political,
it's just a whole bunch of nothing.



 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2024-06-04 22:50 [#02636046]
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The article this is sourced from is rather good actually

The most controversial feature of contemporary
anti-imperialism is its tendency to boil down to the simple
procedure of determining which side the US is on in any
given conflict and automatically taking the opposite
position. This is often justified by arguments that echo
Lenin’s World War I-era “revolutionary defeatism,”
which argues that socialists in an inter-capitalist conflict
should work for the defeat of their own side in order to
provoke a revolutionary civil war. Yet in practical terms
this parallel is irrelevant in a context where socialist
forces have minimal influence on events (as opposed to 1914,
when the Social Democrats were the largest party in
Germany). It also goes well beyond the views of Lenin
himself. Even in the midst of the world war Lenin and other
Bolsheviks continued to attack German and Austrian
imperialism. If they had not done so, their critique of the
mainline German Social Democrats would not have made any
sense. In practice, contemporary anti-imperialism is not a
coherent political strategy in the way that revolutionary
defeatism was.


or

The end of the unipolar era should encourage the US left
to reassess the traditional frameworks that have guided our
attitude to foreign policy. As long as capitalism reigns
unchallenged, a multipolar world is neither more nor less
just than a unipolar one. Even as multipolarity constrains
the US’s ability to intervene at will in societies around
the world, it gives a freer hand to other actors pursuing
their own economic or imperial goals. China has certainly
demonstrated less willingness to deploy its military power
in the service of a regime change agenda, but neither has it
wielded its economic might in the service of greater justice
or equality for the world’s working masses. Russian
imperialism is much more aggressive, even if its body count
is still much lower than that of US interventions in places
like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya, or of the US-backed S


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2024-06-04 22:52 [#02636047]
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audi war on Yemen. If accusations of hypocrisy were
ineffective in a unipolar context, they will be even less
effective when the alternative seems to be yet another form
of imperialism.


The PSL is mentioned a few times!

https://socialistforum.dsausa.org/issues/spring-2022/brea...



 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-06-05 15:54 [#02636054]
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dariusgriffin you broke the pride month truce!

Naughty!


 

offline hevquip from megagram dusk sect (United States) on 2024-06-27 20:05 [#02636596]
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i, too, get all my political opinions off of youtube from
women with penises. and no, there is nothing humiliating or
embarrassing about this.


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-06-28 05:51 [#02636621]
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just because you can post bigotry, doesn't mean you should


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-06-28 11:37 [#02636630]
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LAZY_Gaga


 

offline Roger Wilco from Mo's Beans on 2024-06-28 12:50 [#02636632]
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It's an ugly movement that sides with the worst dregs of
misogyny. Imagine being part of a pack men shouting at
women, demanding access to their spaces. Disgraceful.


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-06-28 13:14 [#02636636]
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ahaha that was based


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-06-28 13:47 [#02636638]
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so you agree we should bring down patriarchy?


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-06-28 13:47 [#02636639]
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:)


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-06-28 19:59 [#02636655]
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"I Don't Know James Rolfe" - Folding Ideas



 

offline Roger Wilco from Mo's Beans on 2024-06-28 20:43 [#02636659]
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Imagine... giving a shit... about ... any.... of ....
whatever that is.


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-06-28 22:01 [#02636666]
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"The final line is meant to be framed from Dan's perspective
and is directed towards himself/the truthers. In fact, I
would say that the video isn't really critical of James
Rolfe at all, its more centered on the nature of para-social
relationships and how they can devolve into hateful
bitterness over time.

"Its important to understand that there are two Dans in this
video: his usual professional self (the one with the white
background and essentially the persona he projects for all
of his videos) and his grungier, more personal self (who is
obsessed with James' jerry-rigging and serves as a stand-in
for cinemassacre truthers.)

"These two Dans are making two videos in parallel. The
normal Dan is making a standard Folding Ideas video
deconstructing the truthers (as he does for many troll
communities) while the grungy Dan is assuming the position
of those same truthers while simultaneously reflecting Dan's
own insecurities about film-making. The ultimate conclusion
of the video is that neither Dan or these truthers really
know James Rolfe at all, and all the postulating about the
supposed "decline" of his content and criticism of him as a
person is more reflective of their own insecurities."

https://old.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/1dju4lh/i_dont_k...


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-06-28 22:09 [#02636667]
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this is Folding Ideas video on The Nostalgia Critic's The...: can't link AVGN and then not NC


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-06-29 00:02 [#02636669]
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i like that they built a diorama of the guy's garage studio
(which looks like his old basement, but smaller)


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-07-02 14:58 [#02636726]
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Let's see here. Ugh. DSA, "campism", written by a Georgetown
professor lol. Never mind that the DSA functions as a
sheepdog herding the supposed "left" into voting for center
right Democrats. Oh look AOC is on their front page.

Lots of half truths and evasions, which I will not get into.
This aspiring state department employee knows how to craft a
limited hangout.

So what's the payload? Undermining resistance to US led
Western imperialism, of course. Bothsidesism and confusion
over what imperialism means.

"As long as capitalism reigns unchallenged, a multipolar
world is neither more nor less just than a unipolar one."

Now that's just plain old retarded and if you swallow that
whole you're every bit the soft skulled neoconservative cow
I think you are.

For countries in the global south to have true national
sovereignty, to have economic development for their own
benefit rather than for export, to face the G7 as peers
rather than subjects - this is no better than extractivist
neocolonialism? These two things are equally just? Also, how
does that leave capitalism unchallenged? What even the fuck.
This doesn't pass a common sense sniff test, let alone one
informed by Marxist principles.

anyways, campism's good


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-07-07 11:40 [#02636803]
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LAZY_Gaga


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-07-07 11:49 [#02636804]
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Nardwuar was asking pretty sexist questions to gaga,
15 years ago, btw. imo


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-07-07 11:54 [#02636805]
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can't believe Mr Beast came out as an anti capitalist and is
now running for president ☭ :black red flag emoji:


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-07-07 12:03 [#02636806]
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with his friend and trans woman Ava as his running mate


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2024-07-07 16:48 [#02636809]
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mr beast smile without looking like you're having a stroke
challenge


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-07-08 00:43 [#02636828]
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Can't believe Mr. Beast transitioned and became Mr. Breast


 

offline hevquip from megagram dusk sect (United States) on 2024-07-08 06:34 [#02636829]
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and what did we learn from the mentally ill people on the
internet today, children?


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-07-08 14:23 [#02636840]
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start your own thread


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-07-08 14:54 [#02636841]
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Was Karl Marx a Satanist?


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-07-08 15:56 [#02636845]
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wow!


 

offline mermaidman on 2024-07-08 16:13 [#02636847]
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who the fuck is mr beast


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-07-12 08:46 [#02636945]
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d u n n o


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-07-18 19:49 [#02637064]
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statement Roger Hallam, who was sentenced to 5 years in prison in a
UK court today, together with the other four of 'the whole
truth 5' (4 to 5 years they got)

"Plenty of expert witnesses would come and tell us we live
in a capitalist democracy, a democracy for the rich. In
other words no kind of democracy at all."


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2024-07-18 22:20 [#02637065]
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This is pretty fucked up any way you look at it, but knowing
XR's methods and since he was defending himself this is
probably the sort of outcome he was hoping for. I'm all for
direct action but I don't super trust those guys, their
thing always felt a bit cult-ish.

(Random bit from his Wikipedia that made me wtflol🤨)
In a self-published pamphlet which he wrote in prison,
Hallam wrote that the climate crisis would lead to mass
rape, and he featured a story in which the reader's female
family members are gang raped and the reader is forced to
watch.


Anyway, courts bad, prison bad.


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-07-19 00:44 [#02637069]
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they had a lawyer, too

he isn't totally my jam, but also the people in charge want
me to think that, so. he's going for the good cause
regardless

(rape was mentioned in this pamphlet as well. seldom a good
thing to use it like that.)


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-07-19 00:47 [#02637070]
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Dr. Jill Stein

all bangers


 


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