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big
from lsg on 2024-06-02 10:23 [#02635928]
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maybe they are tankie bad. this article seemed fine though
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2024-06-02 11:45 [#02635929]
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it's typical campist rubbish
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2024-06-02 11:55 [#02635930]
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like, read between the lines: passing references to yugoslavia, syria, ukraine, without any mention whatsoever of milosevic, assad and putin doing a little bit of genocide there. but that would detract from the glib "anti-imperialist" narrative where the only bad regime must be the american empire. it is, after all, the centre of the world.
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2024-06-02 12:15 [#02635931]
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I suppose if you need a political education in reddits and memes, from the little I've seen you could do a lot worse than /r/tankiejerk
People are there seem generally reasonable though take it with a grain of salt (it's reddit)
My experience trying to join the PSL Any overwhelming opinion on the PSL?
But honestly just don't bother with the provincial foreign policy opinions of americans (canada included), you've got better ones at home. The state of the american left is tragic.
Look forward to Tony going extremely butthurt at this post because he's been reared on different reddits and memes.
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big
from lsg on 2024-06-02 13:01 [#02635933]
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The Iraq War was about oil - Bad Empanada
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mermaidman
on 2024-06-02 14:16 [#02635934]
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guys it's gays month why are you arguing when we can celebrate all together?
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2024-06-02 16:50 [#02635937]
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i want to create a race of werewolves with my dick
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2024-06-02 17:13 [#02635939]
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i'm not arguing
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mermaidman
on 2024-06-02 23:18 [#02635943]
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sorry
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-06-03 13:44 [#02635961]
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lol
By all means, read tankiejerk. Also google the terms campism and campist and see how they're being used and who's using them.
Tremendously clarifying.
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-06-03 13:45 [#02635962]
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merman is right tho, we should table it for HoMonth.
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-06-04 12:27 [#02636007]
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floating in a lotus position six inches above my yoga mat, moisturized, apolitical, at one with nature, thinking Gay Thoughts
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belb
from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2024-06-04 13:54 [#02636015]
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read that as Gary Thoughts
first Thought: Busey
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-06-04 14:02 [#02636016]
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Firmly uphold Gary Busey thought.
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mermaidman
on 2024-06-04 14:42 [#02636017]
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this is the month our hetero members should consider putting a finger up their bum at least
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big
from lsg on 2024-06-04 18:40 [#02636033]
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my research was just clicking through on one article (for the Ukraine or Crimea thing), and seeing it was another leftist org making the critique. which is fine
i genuinely don't know whether there's really tankies or whether on org like this PSL just focuses on the West a lot. in the West, one should focus on the West, i feel is pretty justified. of course other big powers are probably never really and truly good. still, i'm pretty neutral on China (i still have to watch Bad Empanada's on the Uyghurs. meaning, yes, i have looked away too much. but i'm pretty sure China's not good, or bad, there.)
i hadn't heard of the PSL yet
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big
from lsg on 2024-06-04 18:42 [#02636034]
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pride
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2024-06-04 22:33 [#02636045]
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I mean, the Campism wikipedia article has actually got a great bit about exactly why I think this sort of stuff is noxious.
More broadly, "support" for a camp usually amounts to rhetoric and protest that yield no "concrete gains", because few campists hold political power and each "camp" is a massive entity. A "preoccupation" with "abstract" questions of foreign policy "has been historically corrosive for the left, leading to bitter fights over precisely those issues which we are least able to affect".
And that to me is why these sorts of grand chessboard geopolitical issues attract so many cranks, conspiracy theorists and other assorted grifters and nazis. It provides you with a captive audience and endless whining and disaffection and barely any opportunity to affect anything. What are you going to do, the CIA control your whole world anyway. In fact everyone who disagrees with me is CIA.
It's not radical, it's not brave, it's not even political, it's just a whole bunch of nothing.
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2024-06-04 22:50 [#02636046]
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The article this is sourced from is rather good actually
The most controversial feature of contemporary anti-imperialism is its tendency to boil down to the simple procedure of determining which side the US is on in any given conflict and automatically taking the opposite position. This is often justified by arguments that echo Lenin’s World War I-era “revolutionary defeatism,” which argues that socialists in an inter-capitalist conflict should work for the defeat of their own side in order to provoke a revolutionary civil war. Yet in practical terms this parallel is irrelevant in a context where socialist forces have minimal influence on events (as opposed to 1914, when the Social Democrats were the largest party in Germany). It also goes well beyond the views of Lenin himself. Even in the midst of the world war Lenin and other Bolsheviks continued to attack German and Austrian imperialism. If they had not done so, their critique of the mainline German Social Democrats would not have made any sense. In practice, contemporary anti-imperialism is not a coherent political strategy in the way that revolutionary defeatism was.
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The end of the unipolar era should encourage the US left to reassess the traditional frameworks that have guided our attitude to foreign policy. As long as capitalism reigns unchallenged, a multipolar world is neither more nor less just than a unipolar one. Even as multipolarity constrains the US’s ability to intervene at will in societies around the world, it gives a freer hand to other actors pursuing their own economic or imperial goals. China has certainly demonstrated less willingness to deploy its military power in the service of a regime change agenda, but neither has it wielded its economic might in the service of greater justice or equality for the world’s working masses. Russian imperialism is much more aggressive, even if its body count is still much lower than that of US interventions in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya, or of the US-backed S
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2024-06-04 22:52 [#02636047]
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audi war on Yemen. If accusations of hypocrisy were ineffective in a unipolar context, they will be even less effective when the alternative seems to be yet another form of imperialism.
The PSL is mentioned a few times!
https://socialistforum.dsausa.org/issues/spring-2022/brea...
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-06-05 15:54 [#02636054]
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dariusgriffin you broke the pride month truce!
Naughty!
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hevquip
from megagram dusk sect (United States) on 2024-06-27 20:05 [#02636596]
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i, too, get all my political opinions off of youtube from women with penises. and no, there is nothing humiliating or embarrassing about this.
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big
from lsg on 2024-06-28 05:51 [#02636621]
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just because you can post bigotry, doesn't mean you should
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big
from lsg on 2024-06-28 11:37 [#02636630]
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LAZY_Gaga
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Roger Wilco
from Mo's Beans on 2024-06-28 12:50 [#02636632]
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It's an ugly movement that sides with the worst dregs of misogyny. Imagine being part of a pack men shouting at women, demanding access to their spaces. Disgraceful.
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-06-28 13:14 [#02636636]
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ahaha that was based
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big
from lsg on 2024-06-28 13:47 [#02636638]
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so you agree we should bring down patriarchy?
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big
from lsg on 2024-06-28 13:47 [#02636639]
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:)
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big
from lsg on 2024-06-28 19:59 [#02636655]
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"I Don't Know James Rolfe" - Folding Ideas
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Roger Wilco
from Mo's Beans on 2024-06-28 20:43 [#02636659]
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Imagine... giving a shit... about ... any.... of .... whatever that is.
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big
from lsg on 2024-06-28 22:01 [#02636666]
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"The final line is meant to be framed from Dan's perspective and is directed towards himself/the truthers. In fact, I would say that the video isn't really critical of James Rolfe at all, its more centered on the nature of para-social relationships and how they can devolve into hateful bitterness over time.
"Its important to understand that there are two Dans in this video: his usual professional self (the one with the white background and essentially the persona he projects for all of his videos) and his grungier, more personal self (who is obsessed with James' jerry-rigging and serves as a stand-in for cinemassacre truthers.)
"These two Dans are making two videos in parallel. The normal Dan is making a standard Folding Ideas video deconstructing the truthers (as he does for many troll communities) while the grungy Dan is assuming the position of those same truthers while simultaneously reflecting Dan's own insecurities about film-making. The ultimate conclusion of the video is that neither Dan or these truthers really know James Rolfe at all, and all the postulating about the supposed "decline" of his content and criticism of him as a person is more reflective of their own insecurities."
https://old.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/1dju4lh/i_dont_k...
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big
from lsg on 2024-06-28 22:09 [#02636667]
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this is Folding Ideas video on The Nostalgia Critic's The...: can't link AVGN and then not NC
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big
from lsg on 2024-06-29 00:02 [#02636669]
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i like that they built a diorama of the guy's garage studio (which looks like his old basement, but smaller)
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-07-02 14:58 [#02636726]
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Let's see here. Ugh. DSA, "campism", written by a Georgetown professor lol. Never mind that the DSA functions as a sheepdog herding the supposed "left" into voting for center right Democrats. Oh look AOC is on their front page.
Lots of half truths and evasions, which I will not get into. This aspiring state department employee knows how to craft a limited hangout.
So what's the payload? Undermining resistance to US led Western imperialism, of course. Bothsidesism and confusion over what imperialism means.
"As long as capitalism reigns unchallenged, a multipolar world is neither more nor less just than a unipolar one."
Now that's just plain old retarded and if you swallow that whole you're every bit the soft skulled neoconservative cow I think you are.
For countries in the global south to have true national sovereignty, to have economic development for their own benefit rather than for export, to face the G7 as peers rather than subjects - this is no better than extractivist neocolonialism? These two things are equally just? Also, how does that leave capitalism unchallenged? What even the fuck. This doesn't pass a common sense sniff test, let alone one informed by Marxist principles.
anyways, campism's good
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big
from lsg on 2024-07-07 11:40 [#02636803]
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LAZY_Gaga
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big
from lsg on 2024-07-07 11:49 [#02636804]
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Nardwuar was asking pretty sexist questions to gaga, 15 years ago, btw. imo
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big
from lsg on 2024-07-07 11:54 [#02636805]
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can't believe Mr Beast came out as an anti capitalist and is now running for president ☭ :black red flag emoji:
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big
from lsg on 2024-07-07 12:03 [#02636806]
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with his friend and trans woman Ava as his running mate
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2024-07-07 16:48 [#02636809]
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mr beast smile without looking like you're having a stroke challenge
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-07-08 00:43 [#02636828]
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Can't believe Mr. Beast transitioned and became Mr. Breast
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hevquip
from megagram dusk sect (United States) on 2024-07-08 06:34 [#02636829]
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and what did we learn from the mentally ill people on the internet today, children?
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big
from lsg on 2024-07-08 14:23 [#02636840]
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start your own thread
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-07-08 14:54 [#02636841]
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Was Karl Marx a Satanist?
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big
from lsg on 2024-07-08 15:56 [#02636845]
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wow!
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mermaidman
on 2024-07-08 16:13 [#02636847]
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who the fuck is mr beast
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big
from lsg on 2024-07-12 08:46 [#02636945]
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d u n n o
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big
from lsg on 2024-07-18 19:49 [#02637064]
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statement Roger Hallam, who was sentenced to 5 years in prison in a UK court today, together with the other four of 'the whole truth 5' (4 to 5 years they got)
"Plenty of expert witnesses would come and tell us we live in a capitalist democracy, a democracy for the rich. In other words no kind of democracy at all."
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2024-07-18 22:20 [#02637065]
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This is pretty fucked up any way you look at it, but knowing XR's methods and since he was defending himself this is probably the sort of outcome he was hoping for. I'm all for direct action but I don't super trust those guys, their thing always felt a bit cult-ish.
(Random bit from his Wikipedia that made me wtflol🤨) In a self-published pamphlet which he wrote in prison, Hallam wrote that the climate crisis would lead to mass rape, and he featured a story in which the reader's female family members are gang raped and the reader is forced to watch.
Anyway, courts bad, prison bad.
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big
from lsg on 2024-07-19 00:44 [#02637069]
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they had a lawyer, too
he isn't totally my jam, but also the people in charge want me to think that, so. he's going for the good cause regardless
(rape was mentioned in this pamphlet as well. seldom a good thing to use it like that.)
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big
from lsg on 2024-07-19 00:47 [#02637070]
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Dr. Jill Stein
all bangers
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