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offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2024-05-19 01:35 [#02635552]
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Also I do have a dream there where the Aphex Twin logo
appears so this is very relevant to this community.

And I do try to keep the dreams concise and focus on the key
details. It's a mistake people often make when recounting
dreams, focusing on the myriad details that were never
particularly fixed in the first place as if you could
reconstruct and transmit your particular brain state. It's
not possible. Reducing it to one sentence often communicates
so much more.


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-05-19 13:20 [#02635558]
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lol


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-05-19 14:40 [#02635560]
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cool, thanks


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-05-20 10:30 [#02635589]
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a retweet by my fav breadtuber, shaun

it's just 10 seconds. i can't stand these israeli trying to
starve palestines. fuck those people. (this video shows a
truck breaking through those assholes)


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-05-20 10:42 [#02635591]
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bit more content tweet, good content at that: LAZY_shaun


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-05-20 10:52 [#02635592]
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btw i'm reading on reddit that the most original breadtube
group (that didn't name themselves 'breadtube' though) also
includes jenny nicholson

i'm a big fan of her

she dropped this banger, short video yesterday. of
course i already gobbled it up. i'm saying the conclusion of
the video is indeed very anti-capitalist, because it shows
well how it ruins everything of value

everything by Jenners is great. and the last bronycon is just
the best video on youtube


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-05-20 10:55 [#02635593]
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this is the description in the /r/breadtube sub ("youtube,
but good is the tag line):

BreadTube is a place for the new wave of creators,
journalists and artists making high-quality content that
goes against the prevailing winds of the internet.

Politics, History, Economics, Science, Media Analysis,
Free Speech, Film Criticism, Philosophy, Anarchism,
Communism
- anything on YouTube that is well researched
and thoughtful is welcome here.

Why Bread? Read the bread book

(last sentence only on old.reddit)

so the mission statement doesn't call for only political
videos


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-05-20 12:23 [#02635603]
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comment on reddit: He was absolutely right about Biden and
got punished for it



 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-05-20 13:27 [#02635608]
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Millionaire who made himself homeless and broke for YouTube
views forced to quit social experiment

A man who made himself homeless and broke on purpose to
prove he could make $1 million in a year has called it quits
after he says his health began to deteriorate quickly

does it bread?


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-05-20 17:29 [#02635618]
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"Perhaps I haven’t made my political commitments clear
enough. Folks in my mentions and Qts saying “I am
unfollowing you” because of the stances I take on Iran.
(Which I’ve spoken about on my podcast anyways). But if
there is any doubt: I identify the primary contradiction as
US imperialism. I believe it overdetermines how countries
relate to each other and themselves. It is a cancer that
must be defeated for the betterment of the world. There is
no world in which I will be aligned with the US state
department and Zionism (under any circumstance). Every state
is deserving of criticism however there is a difference
between a reactionary critique and a revolutionary critique.
One that services and buttresses empire v one that is rooted
in a project that supports the liberation of the colonised
in the world. Our position in the west is that we should not
interfere with the internal contradictions of states but do
everything we can to sever the tentacles of US imperialism.
And I arrive at this political position through my
PanAfricanist orientation. Hope that clears things up."

perfect


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-05-20 17:42 [#02635619]
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👍


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-05-20 17:43 [#02635620]
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🍞


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-05-20 18:45 [#02635623]
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"#ICC Prosecutor @KarimKhanQC announces applications for
arrest warrants in relation to Benjamin Netanyahu and Yoav
Gallant in the context of the situation in the State of
#Palestine ⤵️
https://icc-cpi.int/news/statement-icc-prosecutor-karim-aa-
khan-kc-applications-arrest-warrants-situation-state"

tweet


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-05-20 21:24 [#02635624]
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meme invoking a certain 19th century philosopher,
and porg


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2024-05-20 21:41 [#02635625]
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Starting with a discussion with French and American
comrades, “Limits of anti-Zionism” has become the common
title to a series of articles written during the last 15
years about Left anti-Semitism and its possible connections
with certain forms of anti-Zionism. France is the European
country which welcomes both the most important Muslim (3 to
6 million) and Jewish (around 600,000) “communities.” It
is also the country which saw a dangerous revival of
holocaust denial after 1979, thanks to several generation of
(in)famous agitators and “provocateurs” : Robert
Faurisson (a literature university teacher), Roger Garaudy
(an ex-Communist Party leading intellectual converted to
Islam), Alain Soral (a failed journalist-essayist who became
a “national-socialist,” according to his own words,
quite famous on YouTube for his aggressive videos) and
Dieudonné (an antiracist stand-up comedian who became a
professional anti-Semite under the disguise of
anti-Zionism). Those interested by these questions will find
many articles on this subject (in French) on Ni patrie ni
frontières’ website (npnf.eu) and mondialisme.org, a
common portal with two other radical journals.


https://npnf.eu/IMG/pdf/limits_antizionism_1_and_2_2017_....

Today and tomorrow, just as yesterday, we have no reason to
choose between Sharon and Arafat, the rope and the firing
squad. If one day a solution takes shape between Israelis
and Palestinians, it will be done despite the nationalists
on both sides, Zionists, members of the PLO or of the
terrorist-jihadist movements. Thus, we have to say it
openly, and not hide our intentions for tactical reasons.
The Palestinian Authority is as much the enemy of the
Palestinian people as the right-wing and left-win Israeli
parties are the enemies of the Jewish people.



 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2024-05-20 21:44 [#02635626]
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Since the October 7 massacres committed by Palestinian
groups in Israel, a propaganda war broke out on social
networks and in the « mainstream media » between two
competing campisms : “Zionist” campism, which denies (or
considerably relativizes) the massacres of Palestinian
civilians committed by the Israeli army ; and
“anti-Zionist” campism [1], which denies (or at least
strongly relativizes) the massacres of Israeli civilians
perpetrated by Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other groups or
individuals on October 7, 2023.


Ideological warfare between “Zionist” and “anti-Zio...nist" campists


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2024-05-20 21:47 [#02635627]
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[1] “Anti-Zionism” is as confused and incoherent, if
that’s possible, as THE “Zionism” it claims to oppose,
which is why I systematically place both terms in quotation
marks.


lol i love you yves



 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-05-21 21:38 [#02635651]
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lol you're such a cop


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-05-22 13:34 [#02635671]
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The accusation that anti-imperialists are unconcerned with
human rights deserves a sharp rebuke. The USA was born of
slavery and genocide, dropped atomic bombs as a matter of
political brinkmanship, imported Nazi scientists and
installed war criminals like Klaus Barbie and Nobusuke Kishi
around the world to defend and advance anti-communist
positions, and enthusiastically supports gruesome butcherers
today. Simply put, Capital has destroyed innumerable
countries and murdered hundreds of millions directly and
indirectly. It is precisely a concern for the rights of
humans that should make one immediately skeptical of any
humanitarian posturing by Capital. Anti-imperialism not only
means support for the important pro-social projects of
states like Cuba, Vietnam, and China; it also means critical
support for non-socialist states such as Iran and Russia.
Critical support acknowledges that, though instituting
various indefensible policies, enemies of empire are not
being antagonized because of said policies. The only thing
that can drive empire to act in the world is capital
accumulation.


Why Marxism?


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-05-23 17:27 [#02635675]
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Tony bait


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-05-23 18:28 [#02635676]
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tapping the sign again


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2024-05-24 03:33 [#02635678]
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checkmate, commies.


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-05-24 14:52 [#02635681]
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lol

when the communist hordes are at the door of Castle
Wolfenslice you'll be yelling hold on wait I have to
reach a save point



 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2024-05-24 15:20 [#02635682]
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i'd really rather we talk about how nice my website is


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-05-25 08:15 [#02635689]
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only racists use black nationalism in this way. for instance
streamer and worst person in the world (claiming to be an
anarchist, doing them a disservice) V*ush

any fascism is wrong. any apartheid is wrong

all your questions in this little series of posts seem
loaded to me. as is this worrying about leftist
antisemitism, to me

all antisemitism is wrong. seems like you're weaponizing it,
however, to stifle discussion about Israel

and likewise, imo, is your worrying about using the term
'Zionism'. Zionism is a root cause for what is happening
now. i guess i do agree that if one brings it up, one needs
to inform themselves of the history of the Jewish people in
relation to other peoples. hard to not sound as a cliché,
for me here. i mean: when does one know enough? are only
Jews allowed to speak about Israel, or Zionism? of course
not, because it all affects others as well. and right now:
the Palestinians, to a terrible degree, while the (western)
world watches washes their hands in (white)
innocence (for me, another important root
cause: the western colonial spirit, which is still very much
present in present day imperialism)


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-05-25 08:16 [#02635690]
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it *is* a nice site


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-05-25 08:36 [#02635691]
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if i was someone more capable of seeing things in
perspective, i'd point out, in some amusing way, how the
smartest people here, who share political opinions, darius,
Tony and mr. Wilco are all *wrong* in their own way


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-05-25 09:32 [#02635698]
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Hillary 2024 🇺🇸


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-05-25 09:44 [#02635700]
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Hasan quit Disco Elysium (on stream anyway)

he now plays Batman. i only watched this first
episode and i thought it was very amusing how he explains
leftist theory with it. i'm not too interested in the game,
though (i'll only stan Arkham Asylum)


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2024-05-25 11:46 [#02635703]
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I hope you'll be able to come back later to what I've
pointed out without the uncharitable preconceptions and the
with us or against us outlook.


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-05-25 12:50 [#02635707]
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do you think antisemitism under leftists is a problem that
has an actual big impact?

more loaded by me: do you agree that the accusation of
antisemitism is misused greatly? (i have to for instance
think of Jeremy Corbyn)


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-05-25 13:48 [#02635708]
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Big! You have lit the AMPI Signal.

Expect dariusgriffin to link that Postone essay next.
Michael Sommer's Anti-Postone is a pretty good response to
that. This review is an excellent summary. The translator's preface
is also good.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2024-05-25 14:14 [#02635709]
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1) yes. (obviously a bit of an egregious
illustration, i'm not saying everyone who disagrees is
stalin, but it does put things into perspective.) (and yes
antisemitism was also widely prevalent in critics of the
soviet union.)

2) i don't know about "misused greatly", as for instance i
don't think corbyn and his supporters handled the situation
well. but it is definitely used as a cudgel specifically
against the left, while right wing antisemitism (which
includes socalled "philosemitism" i.e. instrumentalising the
fight against anitisemitism in the service of a racist and
generally anti-human ideology; but also you'll see the same
people who decry left antisemitism railing against a
soros-backed woke conspiracy or whatever) gets a pass and
doesn't result in bad-faith harrassement campaigns. it's
also more obviously intrumentalised against muslims and
arabs as our friend roger demonstrates, which is how the
more mainstream far-right parties went from outwardly
pro-palestinian neo-nazis to outwardly pro-israel
anti-muslims (arabs).
the reason i'm focused on left antisemitism is because
i'm left-wing and i want the left to be strong and
capable of mounting a solid defence, instead of merely
denying there is antisemitism and compounding the problem,
confusing the issue and creating ideological bridges with
holocaust deniers and other nazi nutters.


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-05-25 15:51 [#02635710]
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if you criticize capitalism you're not only antisemitic,
you're misogynistic.

The feminisation of wealth management is coming


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-05-25 17:30 [#02635711]
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See chapter 5 here, Erasure of History and
Construction of Mythology: Stalin and Hitler as twin
Monsters


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-05-27 06:36 [#02635723]
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i agree with what you're writing:
"the reason i'm focused on left antisemitism is because
i'm left-wing and i want the left to be strong and
capable of mounting a solid defence, instead of merely
denying there is antisemitism and compounding the problem,
confusing the issue and creating ideological bridges with
holocaust deniers and other nazi nutters."

i agree that we should be vigilant and should examine
ourselves to not let antisemitism slip in. also this should
entail more than just writing this, like i'm doing here

i still have to ask critically, though: do you disavow
Zionism? i know it looks pretty bad for a gentile like me to
ask it like this. maybe i should ask: do you disavow
political Zionism.

i could write more, like: a bit of Zionism isn't that bad,
when Palestinians and Jews can live together in peace. but
that'd just be liberal Zionism. and i'm afraid that isn't
going to work (just like liberalism doesn't work, as Tony
can explain, because it will just let capitalism go on
existing)


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-05-27 06:38 [#02635724]
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thanks. i'm interested in learning more about this. i hate
how communism is the devil, but know too little about the
actual truth (i'm assuming this is an honest text)


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-05-27 06:41 [#02635725]
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"i hate how communism is the devil in the West", i wanted to
write



 

offline big from lsg on 2024-05-27 06:43 [#02635726]
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this video by Bad Empanada taught me about liberal
Zionism. as he explains in the video: the immediate reason
for the video is some ridiculous drama, but still he uses it
to explain this idea of liberal Zionism, which is good to
learn about


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2024-05-27 11:43 [#02635728]
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I've already said I don't support nationalism in any form! I
think it should be obvious that I especially don't support
it when it's being invoked to commit war crimes and assorted
atrocities.

thanks. i'm interested in learning more about this. i
hate
how communism is the devil, but know too little about the
actual truth (i'm assuming this is an honest text)


It's pseudohistorical hagiographic nonsense, obviously.
Tony is (charitably) a useful idiot in the service of a
reactionary, conspirational ideology. All his faves are
regulars on putinist media (Russia Today, etc). I don't
think you're seeing it for what it plainly is, and seeing
you seemingly taken with some of the "radicality" he peddles
doesn't fill me with confidence.


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-05-27 13:28 [#02635729]
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If you support the US led imperial domination of the world
and every bit of mythology and propaganda used to reinforce
it then you're an ultra right wing extremist. I don't
know how to put it any more simply so you'll understand.


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-05-27 13:44 [#02635730]
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Michael Parenti "The U.S. War Against Yugoslavia"

a classic banger


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-05-30 16:55 [#02635838]
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okay @ the nationalism thing

yes, Tony is quite the character


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-05-31 13:04 [#02635866]
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The executive of the modern state is but a committee for
managing the common affairs of the whole bourgeoisie.


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-05-31 15:34 [#02635869]
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PSL Statement – On Trump’s Guilty Verdict


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-06-01 22:03 [#02635914]
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good

"Donald Trump was impeached twice and the first impeachment
proceeding was initiated by the Democrats because they
alleged that Trump slowed down advanced weapons shipments to
Ukraine."

didn't know this. will have to look into it a bit further


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-06-01 22:09 [#02635915]
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right, i remember now

of course the imperialism is left out


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2024-06-01 22:25 [#02635916]
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PSL supported the 2014 Russian annexation of Crimea.
While PSL did not support the 2022 Russian invasion, it
blamed the war on US-led NATO expansion and the "plight of
ethnic Russians" in the Donbas.

[...]

PSL opposes US intervention in the Syrian Civil War, and has
generally been supportive of Syrian President Bashar
al-Assad, and Russian military efforts in Syria. PSL denies
the conclusion of the Organisation for the Prohibition of
Chemical Weapons (OPCW) and other international
organizations that the Syrian government used chemical
weapons, which are banned under the Chemical Weapons
Convention.

[...]

PSL has generally defended China's human rights records,
denying, for instance, that the Chinese military massacred
student protestors in the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and
massacre.

[...]

Stephan Gowans argued in 2013 in PSL's official newspaper
that a North Korean nuclear arsenal is "to be welcomed by
anyone who opposes imperialist military interventions;
supports the right of a people to organize its affairs free
from foreign domination; and has an interest in the survival
of one of the few top-to-bottom, actually-existing,
alternatives to the global capitalist system of oppression,
exploitation and foreign domination".


i'm telling you, he can't help himself


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-06-01 22:47 [#02635917]
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it blamed the [Ukrain] war on US-led NATO expansion

i agree that's a reason for Russia's (also imperialist)
actions

wording it like 'blamed it on' is a framing and i'm not sure
a lot of the rest isn't either (source?)


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2024-06-02 01:13 [#02635918]
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the text is from the wikipedia page for the Party for
Socialism and Liberation, which mostly uses the PSL's own
publications as a source


 


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