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what makes you think I have no heart??? |
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I'm pretty sure you dont know what I meant by that comment...and shut the fuck up your dumb ass name is aK47 you hypocrite! |
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el oh el! |
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SINCE YOURE NOT HERE LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING , AND NO I DIDNT GET THIS FROM THE MOVIE! I DO CARE ABOUT EVERYONE-EVERY KIND OF PEOPLE AND IF MY COUNTRY DIDNT THEY WOULDNT BE THERE GIVING THOSE PEOPLE FREEDOM LIKE THEY DID AND NOW THAT THEY HAVE THEY HAVE TURNED AGAINST THOSE SOLDIERS TRYING TO KILL THEM THATS WHY THERE'S MORE CHAOS. THOSE SOLIDERS SHOULD GET OUT OF THERE AND LET THOSE PEOPLE KILL EACH OTHER. I HAVE HEART YOUR-READ MY POST BEFORE CALLING ME A BITCH. |
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This is the best argument they can come up with? Bush & co. are in real trouble. |
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i look forward to watching this, actually. |
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i'm not trying to convert anybody into seeing moore as a discredited left wing buffoon. thats my personal view along with hundereds of thousands of other americans. another thing if someone feels my opinion isn't creidble due to the fact i have not seen his ridiculous movie you are gravely mistaken. first off i've seen interviews of him to know very well his political stance. he is for lack of a better word a communist, his hate towards western society is obvious. i dont need to go watch his movies to know what the movie entails. its like someone getting angry at you because you didnt stick your hand in a box fulls of snakes, knowing what the outcome of sticking your hand in there would do. do you think its a coincidence he released the movie a few months before the upcoming elections? come on. moore is a mastermind in diception. he passes the line of dissention and crosses into the realm of unpatriotism. all i'm asking is for people to read the article so they can obtain an understanding of both sides. i will go watch his movie eventually but for free. theres no way i'm supporting him. for now i will be sufficiently happy knowing the lies he's been caught in "by reading" not watching a purely biased movie. i need to read both sides of the argument and so far he has not impressed me with his side of the story. |
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i'm going to see this movie, *and* put my hand in a box of snakes while i watch it. |
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well that would hurt! |
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wow.. you really DO have quite a loose grip on what's going on out there don't you. now, i don't claim to have all the details.. but you might like to know that there's not just ONE kind of person in iraq. amazingly enough, not all brown people are the same. they don't all think the same, act the same or believe in the same things. it's when you start to make sweeping generalisations like this about complex social, notional and political groups/divides that things tend to get a bit fucked up. to paraphrase, you seem to think that america went in there with the best intentions to bring freedom to the people of iraq; only now that they have, the ungrateful iraqis have turned against the US and are trying to kill them. am i right? now, this is in NO WAY a defence of sadaam hussain - but one thing that he did do throughout his dictatorship - was rule with such an iron fist that he kept his country more or less at peace. the people that died, died because of his regime. but that same regime was so totalitarian that the warring factions within iraq were unable to fight one another. how unbelievably naieve of the american government & it's military to think it could go in and remove saddam's reigime WITHOUT unleashing a hornets nest. THAT is what's going on out there. funnily enough, there's not just 'them' & 'us'. it would be a lot simpler if that was the case. now, i don't know what picture your news paints for you, but (and i try to read/listen to as many different news sources as i can in order to get a broad overview of what might be happening in the world) whenever there are soundbytes from iraqi civilaians, they are ALL saying something different. some love what the americans have done but want them out of their country as soon as possible. others think the US troops are still doing a good job. some people wish they'd never come because of all the damage, death & destruction they've seen - though they're still glad that saddam has gone. and some want their old dictator back. |
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did you know o'reilly asked moore how much tax they should enforce to someone like him. 70%! hahhah that means for every dollar someone like o'reilly makes he'd have to pay 70 cents! hahhaah |
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Children Talking, I urge you to go and see it. It's like when the KKK go on Jerry Springer and the audience shouts them down. For your own sake become informed about the view and rational of those who you oppose. I would respect your arguments much more if you would see the other side of the coin once in a while. Know your enemy. |
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thanks for the input....its good to know people care. |
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that article is just a blind attack on the film and doesn't really have any points. in fact they point out they even hard to correct some information. this movie guarantees george w. bush will not be re-elected so you can imagine the panic. |
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but it will help prevent me from crossing into the realm of unpatriotism while i watch. |
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"amazingly enough, not all brown people are the same. they don't all think the same, act the same or believe in the same things" After readnig this part I stopped reading youre "words of wisdom" cause this just made me laugh. |
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good shit |
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---optimus prime bush is actually leading in the polls my friend |
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oh, who fucking carres anymorre. |
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to paraphrase, you seem to think that america went in there with the best intentions to bring freedom to the people of iraq; only now that they have, the ungrateful iraqis have turned against the US and are trying to kill them. am i right? No, thats not what I'm saying. i am saying it did happen that way, but that wasnt Bush's intentions, he had other intentions to invade countries because he know he can. Youre making me sound as if I'm a Bush supporter, and im offended by that. I love my country but I hate my president GET THAT STRAIGHT! |
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On the subject of Patriotism: Being patriotic is about wanted the best for you fellow countrymen and not bending to the will of the government. Moore in my oppinion is more patriotic than most because in he feels that it is in his countrys best interest to question what he sees to be bad leadership. There is a thin line between patriotism and nationalism. Children Talking from the way you are speaking I would say you are the later. |
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so before you say we should just let 'them' all kill one another, remember that the iraqi's are just like you and the people who live in your town, your state and your country. they're all difficult. i'm sure you hate it when people make sweeping generalisations about 'americans' - so don't be too hasty to do the same about other. now, i'm in no way happy with the unilateral way in which bush went into iraq. nor the way he went about waging his war. nor am i happy with the way the armed forces have conducted their peacekeeping operation thus far. but to pull out entirely is just another ignorant, crass insult to a country that has been turned upside down in the last year or so. unfortunately for everyone caught in the crossfire, unlawfully killed, arrested, emprisoned, tortured, raped and mentally scarred (on both sides) the situation has not reached a point of no return yet - when staying is certain to be worse than leaving. so i guess they have to try and finish what they started - for better or worse. |
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like father like son. one term. |
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the "brown people" comment was intended as a little friendly poke at how naieve you seem in what is quite a serious point. if you stopped reading youll have missed the fact that i pointed out that things in iraq DID NOT happen as you seem to think they did: "one thing that saddam hussain did do throughout his dictatorship - was rule with such an iron fist that he kept his country more or less at peace. the people that died, died because of his regime. but that same regime was so totalitarian that the warring factions within iraq were unable to fight one another. how unbelievably naieve of the american government & it's military to think it could go in and remove saddam's reigime WITHOUT unleashing a hornets nest. THAT is what's going on out there. funnily enough, there's not just 'them' & 'us'. it would be a lot simpler if that was the case." now, feel free to keep your eyes and ears closed if you wish. if it helps you cope with how horrific the situation out there in iraq has been, is, and may continue to be to lump all it's inhabitants together under one convenient banner, then go ahead. |
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so before you say we should just let 'them' all kill one another, remember that the iraqi's are just like you and the people who live in your town, your state and your country. they're all difficult. i'm sure you hate it when people make sweeping generalisations about 'americans' - so don't be too hasty to do the same about other. This is not my fight. have you ever heard the world civil war? because that is whats going to happen....people dig their pwn graves, and I'm not one to judge...now I was fucking around with everything here. didnt mean to push a button. I will be the first one protesting Bush but im not gonna let this get to me |
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Relax dude... |
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clearly - you can't spot sarcasm either |
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Relax! Don't do it When you wanna go to it Relax! Don't do it When you wanna cuuuuuuum |
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acrid milk hall you have made a lot of very good points and the one point I think needs emphisising the most is that "remember that the iraqi's are just like you " These are people that are dying and for what? |
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I never spot jokes/sarcasm online....im used to people being dicks assholes and ignorant fucks so i read it all that way I just dont want you wasteing your breath on me when i agree with what youre saying. I was just fucking around you prick(i dont mean that but you called me naive so im returning the favor) so keep it cool and fight with some republican not me |
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if you're fucking around - then that's fine. it just worries me that some people actually think that the US went in and cleanly deposed a regime - and that it's actually a SURPRISE that there's civil unrest now. not everyone was oppressed by saddam. some people prospered under him. same with every regime/government. but you can't go in to 'rescue' an nation and then back off and let the people you supposedly set out to free die when you realise that not everyone's going to welcome you with open arms. |
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yeah no shit Dont forget a lot of people died on sept 11th....and for what? |
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theres a difference between calling someone naieve and calling them a prick. and if you think i'm enough of a fucking retard to actually refer to iraqis as "brown people" on any serious level - then i'm astounded. if subtlety (not even really THAT subtle imo) is lost on you then i will be more careful to spell it out in future. also nice to know you have such a high opinion of the people you converse with on this message board. i'm sure it's endeared you to a lot of people. ;) |
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how is that relevant?.. oh.. i'm not even going to ask.. |
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Iraq had nothing to do with 911. |
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also nice to know you have such a high opinion of the people you converse with on this message board. i'm sure it's endeared you to a lot of people. what does that mean??? ......ahh who cares. |
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No it didnt.....but a lot of people died. |
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People are dying everyday in Iraq....theres no point, they're doing this all wrong.... PEOPLE ARE DYING EVERY DAY!!! |
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they died before 911 too you know |
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1) Re: you having a high opinion of people.. Sorry, sarcasm again. I meant LOW opinion. The reason I posted that was because you said: "I never spot jokes/sarcasm online....im used to people being dicks assholes and ignorant fucks so i read it all that way" ok? 2) yes, a lot of people died on 9/11. yes a lot of people have died, are dying and will die in iraq. but i still don't see the connection you were trying to make. the statement was arbitrary. |
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take it easy with all kind of religion talk please - it's a music messageboard after all. and avoid ANY personal insults based on that. temp. bans will be used to calm people down. thank you. |
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Religion? I may have only browsed the thread but it's strictly po-li-tics. Here's my suggestion: Blow up America and be fuckign done with it. |
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That should be fucking.. damn. |
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if this documentary swayed anyone's votes away from bush, then that's all that really matters. that's the real point here. DON'T VOTE FOR BUSH! |
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i'll be voting for bush sorry :D |
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explain why? |
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i sure didn't need michael moore's documentary to KNOW that voting for bush would be an absurd thing to do. some people do though.. haha and hopefully it works god damnit. |
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President Bush has put forth sound economic and agricultural policies that allow farmers and ranchers to save, invest and plan for the future. this policy contrasts kerry's record which would raise taxes and create unwanted regulation that would prevent strong and sustained growth. bush has never wavered in his support for rural america. john kerry has cast erroneous votes that would have raised our taxes, prevented us from passing land on to future generations, and missed votes that would have created a sensible energy plan. i also believe he's done and will do a better job at fighting terrorism than senator kerry, and the list goes on... |
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fighting terrorism? muahaha are you nuts. HE IS THE TERRORIST |
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terrorist? err... he's not the one beheading contractors and civilians. bush just handed sovereignty to iraq, and if the iraqi gov't now wants us off their land we have to in an instant. currently they will not want us out of their land because they're under war with the 'actual' terrorists. let me make this clear again the u.s. is now there with the permission of the Iraqi government, which could technically kick us out at any time. Before the 28th, they couldn't, therefore it was an occupation. |
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