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"he's not the one beheading contractors and civilians" true but he is the one who is sending them there... |
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and before you say something about them going on thier own will, think Haliburton (sp?) oh yeah, about not paying to see f911, just go up to the ticket person and explain your position, im sure the'll hook you up! or slap you in the face, either way it's what you'll get when see f911!!! |
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ive seen the movie and i have read the article. i can say that the article while correct on a couple points, really makes some stretches to try and discredit Moore. Moore also offers rebuttals to issues raised in the article on his website which totally knock down statements in the article. the film is a powerful statement because it tells us FACTS. Facts that the american public SHOULD know and a lot of americans do know, BUT when you put all the facts together, and start drawing connections between them, it is a much more powerful statement. of course it's bias. but I think the movie makes it quite obvious where Moore is voicing his opinion and where he is stating a fact. one example: it is a fact that Cheney was CEO of Halliburton. and it is a fact that Haliburton is one of the major war contractors in iraq. It doesn't take a genius to realize there is a great potential for conflict of intrests. Before you judge Moore's film, you should at least see it. Then you would at least have a little more authority to make the claims you are making. |
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very true. i heard of liberal groups buying and giving away tickets. |
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i got in for free, it was absurdly easy... but i am going to see it again with some folks so i'll "support" moore then. |
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terrorist? err... he's not the one beheading contractors and civilians actually he is... |
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well look, if you want to see Fahrenhiet 9/11 and don't want to contribute to Michael Moors' credit, just by a ticket to Dodgeball and walk into the F 9/11 theatre. i'm sure its what he would do if there were a rightwinger movie (HA, like that would happen). |
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Why am I a hypocrite? I have supported human rights and animal rights NGOs for 20 years while working under Don Brash at the Reserve Bank (the opposition leader in New Zealand) who is bed with your government and CIA. Your junk culture is exported around the world..we have no choice in the matter....bleeding propaganda and rhetoric every day on our television sets... a dose of reality and you attack other people... personally I pissed at Don Brash for inflicting your government think tanks efforts to undermine our democratically elected government ( we have the first transexual Minister of Parliament in the world and we working to allow gay civil unions, almost marriage). I also take personally your AK47 comment as I lost a close member of my family to a gun accident which destroyed my aunt giving her years of nervous breakdowns because the police called a suicide. I hate fucking guns. Under Don Brash when Rogernomics cracked the backs of the trade unions, my friend )after being made redundant)who was a teller at the Bank went to work for a security firm in New Plymouth and was taken by gunpoint in a armoured cars killed and buried in a shallow grave. So stop crying its pathetic...and learn some manners. |
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Not a 15 year old spoon fed McDonalds, rallying around and screaming like a stuffed pig |
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haha yea he just has his RESPECTED HONORABLE army perversly torture and brutaly kill iraqi prisoners with their dogs. sorry, but a quick and short beheading seems a lot more 'humain'. bush is always saying how the iraq and the middle eastern terrorists are inhumain and animalistic... i would STRONGLY dissagree by looking at the facts of who does what. |
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and um.. who put the future iraqi government in power? just like afganistan.. the american governement assigns who THEY wnat to run the countries they are abolishing. so OFCOURSE they are 'welcomed' there and aren't being kicked out. the bush administration is being terrorists to these countries that have never harmed us. wanna blame someone for 9/11 , saudis. not afganistan, not iraq. and besides this, what about the mass consumer terrorist in the united states? that's a FAR greater threat to the american country then osama bin laden and these so called 'terrorists'. |
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you really think president bush is looking out for his people's greatest interests? try to find facts that back that one up. but hey, if your american and naive enough to vote for bush, then you deserve actions like 9/11, consumption obsesion and to be fooled and treated like a chimp buy your government. you get what you give.. |
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I have news for you regarding the killings.the war..all perpetrated by US for corporate interests...divide and conquer...this kind of stuff is currently happening in NZ with Don Brash who is trying to incite racism under of advisement of the US. It is no different in Iraq...Bush at the world leaders meeting was sitting next to another despot from Uzbekistan, known for human rights abuses. What you are seeing is engineered, to the vested interests of business to put down any form of resistance, there is no freedom in Iraq, just rhetoric. The majority of the country like Afganhistan are worse off under this so called puppet government and the opportunity will be used to keep the US led coalition in the country permantently. The Iraqi people like Africans (blood diamonds)will be subject to aid and slavery $2 day for forced labour under a World Bank style policy prescription inflicted on many LCDs. The beheadings...engineered for maximum effect...started by CIA to bury the Abu Gharib atrocities so you wouldnt see that poor woman. David Berg was dead before they beheaded him, there was no mess... the other US contractor in Saudi what ever his name was worked for Lockheed Martin designing infrared targeting systems for Aphace helicopters. Yes the ones you are seeing recently are real as the TREND catches on, isnt that point. I am pleased to hear you care about others, how about showing it more than once in while...I dont think anything less of Americans or you its your media that is making your country look bad and thats noones fault. |
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One more thing sweetie dont call my husband an arsehole.. I dont like it... |
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IS THAT YOUR MAIN REASON FOR VOTING FOR BUSH. Do you listen to Rush Limbaugh all day at work or something? Estate tax: Its the tax farmers children will have to pay when they inherit the farm. AKA: DEATH TAX Bush repealed this tax right saying that it was causing farmers to have to sell their farm land after the original owners died. So bush repealed it. But the Estate Tax wasn't just affecting farmers, it included everyone even the richest 2% of the population. Now using logic, we have just abandoned a GREAT DEAL of the income for our government and destroyed our econonmy in the process. But heres the best part about bush's lies. FARMERS (and small buisiness) ARE EXEMPT FROM THE ESTATE TAX!!! WOW!!! So by repealing a the Death Tax, Bush, Cheney, and their cabinet members are saving MILLIONS OF DOLLARS while our economy goes down the shitter. Awesome. |
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did you know that the pope fears bush might be the antichrist? |
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cutting taxes would be fine if bush hadn't increased spending more than any president in history... for me that's my biggest beef...that our nation is hugely in debt paying for bunch of unessary shit...like the war on drugs and incredably oversized military....not to mention pointless goverment jobs, corprate welfare such as farmer subisides and of course regular welfare.... if kerry wins at least he'll be stopped (by the republicins) if he tries to increase spending while bush gets the green light on everything. screw bush(swrew kerry__) i'm not voting for either i'm gonna sit back laugh and have a cerry coke.(and a hot dog) |
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michael moore = leftist propoganda rush limbaugh = rightest propoganda if think that either of these people are not propoganda then you are known as a hard liner. the only people who will vote for bush are hard liners...since bush has proved himself a falilure on dang near every issue(ok everyone) of course we have kerry by all standards a worthless rat...with a horrible voting record but with one asset: he's not george w bush. i would say 80 percent of the people voting kerry don't really like him but just want to get rid of bush.... this why the dual party system is killing the country...we need more choice. |
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here's my bit, i'm not reading all the posts so sorry if this shit is old: I'm really fucking happy about the fact that there is a movie being advertised on fucking network television that talks about what a shitty job bush has done as president ( is a great edutainmental game along the same lines) But i'm fucking pissed that my views have to be represented by micheal moore. i mean sure i guess it's fair that both sides have a loud fat man to give out "facts" about the opposite party, but i really don't want anyone to think that i am anything like him, or the majority of the audiences that would go see the movie. |
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Totally. As much as Moore has his flaws, it's great to see a movie this beneficial getting this wide an exposition. |
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i <3 Melissa Porter |
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I believe what tv tells me to believe! |
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have a coke, a smile and shut the fuck up! |
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I definitely like Kerry better than Bush, Its the same as in 2000, picking the lesser of two evils. but i didn't vote at all in the 2000 election for just that reason. in retrospect, i wish i had voted even though it wouldn't have made any difference; Gore won my state's electoral votes anyway. but that just further hammered in the feeling that "my vote don't count, so why bother?" except this time, picking the lesser of two evils also entails "sticking it to Bush" from which i expect to derive some pleasure. |
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john kerry wants to be our president, while claiming that he relates to the avg. joe right. he wants to raise the income taxes to the rich, well guess what. he wont pay those taxes because he's already riche instead, he will make it harder for you to get rich, by raising the taxes on the money you make! |
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Could Bush really get elected again? Do people in the US get to see the same Bush the rest of the world see or is there an actor in place? |
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Bush doesn't work with "elections" - he never got elected in the first place. he weasels his way in there and noone does anything about it. |
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kerry looks like clinton after a car accident. so he'll definately win. |
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lets hope so, because I think Bush's idea to create more nuclear weapons, smaller ones that he would be more likely to use is 'not' what this world needs. |
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you live in a sugar coated world my friend |
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yes, tastes nice in the valleys of the butter mountain |
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your idea of a future is one the majority of the world does not share |
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if by your you mean israel or the us, we are NOT imposing our religion and tyrinical diplomacy onto others. we're defending ourselves from those who harm us. what do you think would happen to israel if they weren't one of the strongest nations militarily? Most likely it boils down to the PLO and its sister organizations creating some atrocity too big for Israel to ignore. our troops will try to crush the palestinian authority and neighboring arab states will attack Israel on land or with missiles to defend islamic honor. eventually the israeli state would be overtaken by the palestinian gov't/terrorists and will declare an onslaught towards israel. this is the world i live in. i dont know what world you do. |
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do you ever wonder WHY you need to defend yourselves? |
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So what did Iraq do to USA? Really? |
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they don't need to wonder why, they have bigger guns that will solve all the problems. |
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didn't you hear?? they had been developing WMD, ones that could travel to the US, oh and did you hear they had al-Qaeda training camps. |
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Aaaah. Forgot about that. But what did Xltronic do to deserve 1406 posts of right-wing-hilbilly-propaganda from ChildrenTalking? |
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corrupted-girl yes i can answer that question very easily. because Israel is willing to SHARE jerusalem not have it taken away from us and be abused by islamic fundamentalists. there are palestinians living in israel at this current moment. mortsto-x we went to war with the belief that saddam hussein had wmds. everybody knows there wasnt any INSIDE iraq but the Iraqi facilities were dismantled and sent both to Europe and around the middle east. at the rate of about 1,000 tons of metal a month. destionations included jordan, the netherlands and turkey. ballistic missles along with surface to air missles were found along with other dangerous weapons interconnected with Hussein's regime. not only was there this, but he was doing business with the infamous kim jong Il for weapons. He is also known for his work with the kurds killing over 100,000. He had his entire nation repressed through a butcher like regime... the list just goes on he needed to be dealt with. |
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i'm not a hilly billy hhahaha i was born in jersey |
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hill* hilly sounded mad gay, not that theres anything wrong with that |
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What about other dictators? What about the fact that the only country we know in that part of the world with WMD is Israel? And do you think the chaos in Iraq, made by your man was worth it? |
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i believe having saddam hussein removed from power was a very good thing, so that in itself was worth it. there are still alot of wars going on, for example the sudan/african ordeal going on now. theres still alot of problems out there that need to be addressed. i would prefer bush over kerry any day because kerry is a tree huggin hippie, ever since he served in vietnam he strongly opposes any act of war unless its to counter attck some atrocity towards americans. i wouldn't mind for other countries to have nuclear plants for energy, but right now i dont even like the fact that any country has wmd's but god knows given the turmoil and hatred in other countries its the only alternative. i gotta go. peace. |
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you are scared to death of Moore's message, and that you will do anything to discredit him. Luckily, the vast majority can see through you and your motives. Give it up |
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Hahaha, "unfarenheit" is such a good word. |
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we're defending ourselves from those who harm us The same could be said by any Muslim fanatic, bin Laden, Stalin, hell, even Hitler. |
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that as incredible ludicrious comparison hitler, stalin, and bin laden weren't defending themselves they took the offensive towards destroying innocent civilians. another thing you pointed people out "the vast majority" of people could see past the article. oh please the liberal left account for a little over 3% of the entire american population. stop sniffing glue dude its killin ur brain cells. |
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i like you. |
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I went through the pain of reading this article, only to find out that the author seems to be unable to give a coherent argumentation. The only 'lies' he point out are actually no lies. He point out some inconsistencies, which is quite something different then lies. Now it's hard to lie nowadays since the US administration set some new and very high standards lately. He points out that Moore seems not to hold the same opions about certain issues, which is a rather irrelevant remark. |
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well actually Bush did get elected, but basically because our electoral system is screwed up. something people have still yet to fix. my mother and i had been going on about the system being foul for years, and it is in cases such as a very close election like 2000 that its fails to work. if there is a wider margin then the system is fine. but thank God for technicalities cause Gore is a drooling retard. at some point it just becomes a battle of who is less retarted. at least Bush is funny. and he will get reelected again. it only seems like Kerry has a chance because of the vocal minority. i'm sure most people here will vote for Bush. |
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