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i hear the koran forbids reality tv |
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shit that woman needs to die, quite promptly |
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HAHHAHAAH |
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who's jeanne? |
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You guys wont believe the stirr it caused in Denmark. ITs getting bigger and bigger every day, its completely fucked up! Maybe those drawings werent a great idea, but this is certainly an overreaction from the muslim society. The worst thing about the case is that a few danish people made the whole nation of denmark hated, and a few extremist muslims make all the "normal" muslims in Denmark and any other countries suffer as well. FUCK!!! |
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you shouldn't blame those cartoonists imo |
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and you fail to see how you yourself fall under that... |
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I'm not saying they're excused, I'm saying people who want them to be more like "us" should take a step back and think... |
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I don´t really blame them. In my eyes, this whole conflict has been waiting to erupt, in a sence, and it was only a coincidence that Jyllands posten set it off. |
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what you see again and again is people trying to oversimplify - you see it a lot in this thread too. something like this is very complex. it's not a question of the cartoonist was wrong, or the paper was wrong, or the protesters are wrong. also, islam is in essence a very peace-loving religion. it's only a couple of idiots who reinterpet it in a way that it can be used for violence. I pretty much agree with that Lee Herring bit. he puts it very well. |
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it is down to interpretation but violence is more easily justified in the koran compared to other religions Extract from "the cow" "[2.7] Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing and there is a covering over their eyes, and there is a great punishment for them." Just one example from sifting over it. |
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it might in essence be peaceful. but the culture in the islamic countries isn't imo. i guess it's just different cultures but im not too happy with the picture the protesters in palestine had that portrayes the ambassedor being cruely killed. goddamn, hamas is now the leading party there. that was a protest vote of the people against plo i think but still all of this signifies serious dangers for our safety to me |
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Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. Exodus 22:18 Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death. Exodus 22:19 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed. Exodus 22:20 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:13 ..do you need more? |
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god is all cudly and allah is a grumpy old dude, this is fact |
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oh, i went out for a while and haven't caught up with the thread. i think the violence is rediculous though. almost completley indefensable. and i do think the protesters who have elevated their protests to violence are very much in the wrong. i think the papers should have the "right" to print the cartoons, but frankly an editor would be irresponsible to do so given the current environment. |
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i'd rather some from the new testement thanks |
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The penalty for getting mad at a cartoonist is... incredible death - Fleetmouse 66:6 If ye shall get mad at a cartoonist ye shall be fired at thy family from a cannon repeatedly until verily the only thing moving is the cannon-loader and his assistant - Fleetmouse 13:0:13 |
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my point was more that by saying "islam is violent" you're doing the same as the people who use islam to justify their violence. it isn't islam that is violent, it is a portion of its regular readers that are. |
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a good talkshow here 'rondom tien' had people talking about the threats people are receiving these days (hot topic here of course with politicians and 'artists' being killed) one dude said: well that's always been the case but in the old days (80s and stuff) people didnt talk to the press about this, just the police i dunno, i do think things are a bit different if the death threats come from the islamic side. because they're shown to carry them out. however western groups (that thing in spain, what's it called again, rote armee fraction etc) have done this too so maybe it's just a gut feeling like 'well at least it's our terrorists killing us. and the feared enemy: we don't know the terrorists, they are dangerous because they're hid out etc |
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regular readers? that would be the koran, not islam. I'm silly. |
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in a way by publicizing the threats you're almost encouraging them |
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you = the mass media |
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And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. Matthew 10:21 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. Acts 3:23 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Romans 1:32 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. Jude 1:5 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. Revelation 2:23 |
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oh, the "I" in the last one, who will.. erh.. kill with death.. (?) is Jesus. |
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my point is disqualifying with the generalisation argument isn't going to cut it if we have a problem of a violent culture turning against us. im just worried about palestine and hamas' program that says israel should be destroyed (i guess these people are talking quite literally generally). im talking about the small percentage of terrorists. but im also talking about maybe the muslims are generally radicalizing and what this will mean for the west (my ass that is) |
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Would everyone please stand, and turn in your hymnal to page 133 and join in singing Our Fleetmouse is a mighty Fleetmouse. |
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we kind of have to oversimplify. We obviously don't have sufficient knowledge to be supreme unbiased judges on this matter, and I don't expect anyone would ever have that much knowledge. We simplify because we don't know better, but that in itself isn't a bad thing. |
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wow, thanks, those will be damn useful in heated debates. i guess on the topic of which book is the most dangerous it's really down to social circumstance (general attitude to violence etc.) you won that argument there though *shakes hand* |
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Some might say, take a chill 'b; but fuck that shit, there's a nigga trying to kill me. Scarface 1991 |
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well for some reason i always feel like defending the journalists: in this case the responsibility lays with the threatened people going to the press fun fact: some said hirshi ali (who is getting pretty famous in the world, she's a politician and a former muslim going against the wrong things in islamic culture, imo in the wrong, too blunt/arogant way) is doing this to get more votes. for instance by debatting in parlement with a load of bodyguards. i don't particularly agree with this as it's mainly shit to be threatened |
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for the journalists it's a matter of "awesome heated story" over "this might fuck things up a bit" |
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oh, btw.. it isn't just Iran (whose president apparently just ordered that all trade contracts with all countries in which a newspaper has printed the pictures should be cancelled) and "all those countries" where people are angry.. People are raging in Indonesia and basically wherever there are muslims. This isn't necessarily connected with where you live... |
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bush against iran's ayatolla: hey relax, here: have a coke |
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i tried to say this quoting from my paper that said muslims here are pissed too indonesia is the biggest muslim country (meaning a muslim party leading (right?)) in the world |
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they just burned down our embassy in syria!................................................... |
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well a good paper should consider things. my paper for instance (volkskrant) is always writing about how they consider before putting horrible picures in the paper or the front page |
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yeah, there are more muslims in indonesia than anywhere else... and of even norwegian-born muslims are upset about this! |
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ridiculous noncongs |
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thing seem to getting more and more serious. i love the part where some extremists say that "everyone living in a country that has shown the picture shall be killed". doesn't that mean that quite a few muslims will be killed? |
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yeah, and there's a 48 hour deadline for all scandinavians to get out of.. oh, I forgot the exact country they were supposed to get out of... sorry... |
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(that's just because I have a really bad memory when it comes to things like that, by the way.. of course, I suck at geography too, but this time, I saw it and I've forgotten the name of the country) |
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If they those extremists are trying to justify an attack on a european country i don't think that attacking denmark is such a good idea considering the amount of muslims living there. denmark is a very liberal country. |
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I could start feeling uneasy soon... |
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so...are the new newspapers that are starting to run the cartoon doing it to be inflammatory? or are they doing it because the newspaper became the news? |
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well...i bet if they were to blow something up in norway they would probably bomb oslo so if you live somwhere near vardø or tromsø i think you're going to be save... |
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i mean besides the original danish newspaper |
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i don't think they are trying to boost sales over the heads of muslims i think it's to defend freedom of speech, oh and of course because it's news (more info: [#01834167]) |
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i think they are doing it for many and seperate reasons. one of them is to show support for other reporters and freedom of speech. if only that one danish newspaper, jyllands posten, had posted the pics i think that denmark would have been attacked most definetly. |
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there are lots of newspapers.. Le Monde has done it, and some Spanish newspaper, at least... there are probably more.. I don't see how printing the pictures is relevant to reporting the case itself... in this case, it does nothing but provoke... atli: I live in Bergen, the second largest city... |
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