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the thing fleetmouse replied to? |
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It's funny how this topic became a for and against religion issue, when originally the point of the topic was that when all things are taken away people were making fun of the death of two individuals. Two humans, regardless of their beliefs who died in circumstances that most people hope would never befall them. It's funny how Earthleakage, whether through humour or being serious speaks more sense than almost everyone and yet his views are more often than not ignored or misinterpreted in following posts. Whether people like it or not God exists...regardless of faith, there is a metaphysical presence of a God throughout every society on Earth. Whether it is a spiritual being or purely a fabrication of the mind actions take place every day on the belief of an all powerful force...even the greatest scientists on Earth had a belief in the relative insignificance of man. Newton had very strong religious beliefs, Einstein believed the Universe was God. God is a handy way to explain the unexplainable and there will always be things that humans cannot hope to even begin to comprehend. For all the faults of established religions, for the far too rigid adherence to outdated ideals, they also do a lot of good providing a moral grounding that it would be difficult to otherwise instill. War etc. are the product of man, not religion. Religion is used to justify the often unjustifyable...religion is a catch all system that allows people to explain away events and happening without really explaining them. That is what I think anyway. |
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If things started a certain way why would things even need to evolve or exsist for that matter. In all due respect, from viewing the evolution standpoint the Big Bang is quite a rediculous theory. To say that nothing exploded defies logic. You need combustable elements. Why do things need to evlove. When everything was a little plasma or even smaller why couldnt it just be as is. Why was there a need for change. If evolution is true then why/how were emotions developed and what purpose do they serve. Surely our need to mate and such wouldnt need emotions if we truly evolved right? Emotions would only get in the way and hinder the process. Example (as lame as it might be) is that some people are over emotional and cannot kill. That would get in the way of someone (female perhaps as i have heard things...) trying to kill an animal for food or perhaps kill another lifeform in defense. Why and how were multiple species formed? If it started with one thing wouldnt that one thing just evolve into another variation. Also we have never seen evolution (as many think of it) in our time. A rock never turned into a dove. We just see variations on the same species (such as a dog). Dont take these questions the wrong way as i am not mocking your beliefs or anything of the sort. :) |
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there are very few things that aren't made up. which one you choose to believe in is up to you, but we can all rest assured that all things are, as you say; "bullshit" in the end. |
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I think your mind is trained to believe that. You came in this thread with an opinion and stated it as if it were fact. |
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oh, reginald! .... ....... ..................i disagree!!! this thread has become too muddled now and it is going to to start becoming a melee that will end in a bloody lip and battered eye. |
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I guess you're more eloquent than me, and I agree in a way; "God" isn't necessarily the grey-haired man in the clouds. "God" can in a way be equalled "truth," which the search of, without doubt, is what both religious and scientific people have in common. They have different ways of going about it, and who is to say that one way is better than the other? |
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That's how I try to put things all the time. If I find I am using 'I think', I just take it out. If you're going to debate, it's better to focus on what is than what you think is. |
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Evolution is the change in the frequency of alleles in a given population over time. Are you saying that you don't believe that that happens? (hint: find out what alleles are before you reply) |
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yes, and it's all because of intolerance. the cause of all wars isnt't religion nor science; it is intolerance. no matter what it has been based on (quite often it has been christianity, yes, and it is because of the missionary commandment or whatever that is in english, and "compelle intrare," from the last supper). People who do not tolerate others belief are always in the wrong, IMO. (tolerate is NOT the same as not discussing it) |
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See, virginpusher, you don't even know what you're talking about. 'Nothing EXPLODED', like fire? Combustion? You used the word 'combustable', meaning being able to be oxidized. This is NOTHING like the big bang theory. The big bang, not just matter, time and space as well. So it's not like there was 'nothing' before the big bang, because time did not exist before the big bang. |
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Allele From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. (Redirected from Alleles) An allele is any one of a number of alternative forms of the same gene occupying a given locus (position) on a chromosome. An example is the gene for blossom color in many species of flower - a single gene controls the color of the petals, but there may be several different versions of the gene. One version might result in red petals, while another might result in white petals. Some organisms are diploid - that is, they have paired homologous chromosomes in their somatic cells, and thus contain two copies of each gene. An organism in which both copies of the gene are identical - that is, have the same allele - is said to be homozygous for that gene. An organism which has two different alleles of the gene is said to be heterozygous. Often one allele is "dominant" and the other is "recessive" - the "dominant" allele will determine what trait is expressed. For example, in the case of blossom color, if the "red" allele is dominant to the "white" allele, in a heterozygous flower (with one red and one white allele), the petals will be red. The recessive allele will only be expressed in a recessive homozygote. However, there are exceptions to the way heterozygotes express themselves in the phenotype. One exception is incomplete dominance (sometimes called blending inheritance) when alleles blend their traits in the phenotype. An example of this would be seen if, when crossing flowers with codominant "blue" and "purple" alleles for petal color, the resulting offspring would have violet petals. Another exception is co-dominance, where both alleles are active and both traits are expressed at the same time; for example, both red and white petals in the same bloom or red and white flowers on the same plant. Codominance is also apparent in human blood types. A gene containing the codominant pure blood type alleles "AA" and "BB" would result in a blood type of "AB". A wild type allele is an allele which is considered to be "no |
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hint: don't use words you can't expect people you're discussing with to know without being able to explain them yourself. doing so will make it look like you're acting superior. |
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EVERY emotion is tied to sex and fucking. Any empathetic feeling you have; survival of your race. It doesn't have to be your own dna you are protecting. Any feeling you have is a product of your brain and your brains function is to fascilitate safe transport of your dna for the eventual identification and fucking with the best mate possible. Speciation HAS been observed. This is one species changing enough that there are now two different species where there used to be one. Over-emotional people who cannot kill. This just stems from fear of death, again, just like religion. Isn't that obvious? |
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Well I happen to be a nihilist and I see no intrinsic value to the pursuit of truth other than the continuation of the human race which is again just replication and dissemination of DNA; not a reason for anything in itself. |
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the difference between science and religion is pretty obvious. you don't need to see atoms to know they exist. it has been proven to the best of our understanding using logical methods. religion asks for faith - there's no proof given at all. it is asking for you to believe in something that defies everything we know about reality and physics and logic, etc. if you want to believe in it, fine - that's your business. also, why are some people here trying to make a distinction between religion and humanity? all religions were created by humans. is there doubt about that? |
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Drunken Mastah, it seemed to me that just a little while ago you were saying that we shouldn't discuss things we can't understand, like faith. Isn't that a double standard? |
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I can only reply with an extreme cliché; "then that is your truth." Hard to argue with nihilsts, as they can't be sure they understand the words they hear. |
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Pigeon hole yourself and then get annoyed when others pigeon hole you. This topic certainly is shit. |
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I would argue all day, but i have to get some sleep, dizzee rascal concert tonite!!! |
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I'm sorry, you are right - I should have explained alleles. |
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Now everyone, gang bang and make up. |
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honestly, dm, in these threads you always come across as overbearingly-dogmatic as map. both of you guys are cool and have interesting things to say, but you'll never get anywhere with personal attacks and the "i'm right, you're wrong" nonsense. |
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GANG BANG AND MAKE UP! |
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much has been proven to the best of our understanding using logics. The typical example in this situation is Descartes' proof of god. and to say that there is no proof given by religion is wrong. There is as much proof in religion as in science. True; what is accepted as proof differs, but there isn't less proof in religion than in science, rather different types of proof. While a scientist won't accept religious "proof," a priest won't accept scientific "proof." and.. how can you ask if there is doubt if religion was made by humans?! if there was no doubt, there would be no religion, and there are even people who know religion wasn't created by humans. Remember; the bible was written by god through the prophets. Also "the book of nature" which scientists in the time after "the scientific revolution" "read" as proof of god; the mechanists compared nature to a clock (or just any machine, but clock was the most favored metaphor), and while a clock has no will of its own, the existance of a clock prooves the existance and will of the creator of the clock. Early science sought to prove god, not disprove him, and they did so by looking at nature in microscopes and finding patterns and "the small workings" of nature. |
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sorry, I didn't mean that as being that, but a part of being nihilst is believing that nothing can be communicated properly (what connections I make to the taste or sight of an apple (which probably doesn't even exist) are completely different from what connections you make.. if either of us exist at all...). That makes discussion with nihilsts difficult. |
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where did I say that? |
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the word argue suggests converse, does it not? |
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i guess this board killed him |
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believing in nothing is still a belief :) |
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Yes, just like science is a religion and bald is a hair color. XD |
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(dizzee rascal ROCKS live, btw. I don't care much for his music otherwise, but live is amazing!) |
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oh, and of course I believe that I am right and the people I argue with are wrong.. would be silly of me to carry on if I didn't, wouldn't it?! but I see no personal attacks made by me, and I try to keep away from those. |
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my friends keep calling me moby :( |
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Eh? |
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Those aren't friends. :( |
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see, you misinterpreted what i said. when entering into a debate, one cannot account for who someone is. that's ridiculous. you can't go, "i can't debate with a christian, i can't debate with an atheist" because that's just dimissing the person. you have to debate what is said, not the person who says it. it's a personal attack and it requires the sophistication of a five year old. and you did that. of course we all think we're right or we think we're not sure. that's a given. that's why repeating it over and over will not help you win a debate. |
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it could be worse, i could actually BE moby |
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That's the theme of his new album. It could be worse, kids - you could be me. |
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moby's gone goth? fantastic. THIS is evolution! |
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he should take the advice of his debut single |
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ehhh... I don't quite see the connection between an atheist/christian and a nihilist (the nihilist is the only one who would think he doesn't really understand what is being said), and I didn't say I wouldn't argue with him, just that it's hard. and you have to account for the person that says it, 'cause I'm more of the opposite belief than a nihilst - I belive that I can understand what is being said to me, but I need to know who is saying it and what they believe to understand what they mean.. that you misinterpreted what I meant is proof of both the nihilistic way of thinking and mine. 1: Nihil: you didn't understand what I said. It is impossible. 2: You didn't understand what I said. You didn't consider that I may use words in a different way than you do. Which one you choose to believe is up to you, and I would argue with you no matter which one you chose, but I have meant nothing I have said in this thread this far as a personal attack. If you ever see something I say that seems "harsh" or like a personal attack, remember that I've never worked emoticons into my "language," and thus, sentences such as this could be imagined as having a simple smiley (which I will include this once) signifying that it is milder than with the pure words (I don't use the smileys 'cause it's actually something I have to stop and look at the keyboard to do since they're not in my "internet vocabulary"). :) |
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You should try to be more of a "smihilist". :-) |
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hahaha! "the only truth that exists can be expressed through smileys." or.. as the smihilist would say: ":) :) :) ;) :) ;) :P :P :P <3" |
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oh, I suddenly realised what the XD at the end of some of your posts is... it's a smiley! aha!!! |
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we're still not communicating this point properly with each other. you don't understand what i said before NOT because i'm a nihilist (which i am not, so i don't know where you get that from) but because when you read the words i wrote, you interpreted them in a different way than they were intended to be. you are the only one breaking down this conversation into semantics and shutting people off - mappatazee didn't do it, i didn't do it. just you. he didn't say "we can never communicate because there is no understanding" -- you did! (he was talking about the relevance of truth - he was still participating actively in the converation) you are the one making assumptions and putting everyone into boxes without accepting that their points can be as valid as yours if not more so. just because you believe you are right does not make you right. pay attention, please. |
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"we can never communicate because there is no understanding" I never said that. you misinterpreted what I said. I simply stated: I have one reply for you, but be warned; it is a cliché. and then followed up with stating that it is hard to argue with nihilsts as they don't think they understand what is being said. I didn't say i wouldn't argue with him. I would aruge with him if he was awake. and I never thought you were a nihilist. Don't know where you got that from. |
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talking to drunken mastah in topics like these feels like you're talking to his textbooks. I never get the feeling it's really you talking - this is inference ofcourse. |
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oh, and I wasn't breaking this down into semantics before I got into this discussion with you, which basically is about semantics. and once again: I wasn't saying that his points were not valid because he was a nihilist, I just said that it is hard to argue with nihilists.. (and I don't know if nihilists even should have points to make...). |
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this was a follow-up to me: "that you misinterpreted what I meant is proof of both the nihilistic way of thinking and mine. " you said that the nihilist way of thinking includes "1: Nihil: you didn't understand what I said. It is impossible. " we both don't understand each other. this conversation is incredibly tedious. i quit. let's be friends and talk about some other stuff. thanks. |
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