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im gonna be embarrasingkly honest now i got untitled i had one listen through and i heard that snare on the first track that goes thwak . . thwack . .thwack . . and that snare alone grabbed my ear and basically said to it ignore the rest becaus eim the annoying snare you cannot avoid and i just couldnt get past it. but as everyone has said so many times that the album is a grower, i will force my self to listen form start to finish at least once a day if i dont like it after a week then i shall give up forever :( i want to like it cos i do love autechre i remebr hearing them for the first time 11 years ago and thinking it wa sthe shit id like that back |
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good idea. you go first! |
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comm'on..we all know (human) nature is build on surviving. |
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I nearly did the same thing after hearing that snare. I was on the train to work however and there was a fat person next to me who I knew would "spill" over into my seat if I moved in the slightest bit to change tracks. Since then I've put my iPod in my shirt pocket so I can change tracks if needs be. |
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ok its playing /np autechre - LCC christ im still hearing bad fruity loops beat but i shall bear with it |
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anyone who doesn't like snares is liek, a fucking idiot. he is a god. no. he is god. |
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That's why I'm going to try and find something to read about it. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying I'd not heard/considered that before. |
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anyone who likes nedavine is like blaitently and aids face yer i said it AIDS FACE |
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Pro Radii is where my love of the album started. First time I heard that on a proper sound system I nearly ejaculated forcibly over myself repeatedly. If you have good speakers then crank that out on them. If you don't hten find someone who does and get that shit going hard on them. |
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shut up neddy. |
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can i just ask.... this gonna sound like im slating but im not but you guys have clearly read lots of ae articles and lcc.. well its lack of flow its odd time signature but with disregard for making it sound 'comfortable' do you think its intentional like uneasy was what they were going for or was it sposed to be just a wierd time signature iwth no thought for flow? cor i really sound like im being sarcastic but im not..... for once |
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i love venetian snores |
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BTW, I don't /hate/ Vsnares.. I mean, I wouldn't pay for his records, but I do retain MP3 copies, so already he's got past first base, because I immediately delete 95% (literally) of the electronic music I download. I only buy on vinyl, and it has to be something genuinely special for me to pay for it. And yes, I know breakcore isn't meant to be subtle. I was trying to allude to the nuts and bolts of his tracks, and the fact that (to a trained ear, at least) virtually every process he goes through to sequence and control his sound is pretty much transparent. While this is a very punk thing to do, and may well be the intended effect, I don't get much joy from listening to someone's sequencer spewing out syncopated breaks mangled through plugins - even punk rock is more organic and alive than this. I believe the best electronic music, through the skill of the programmer, manages to transcend its inner workings to become something that can not be pinned down so easily. The big artists I've mentioned above are able to do this without breaking a sweat. If no new artists are coming through (and AFAIC none are) whose work can stand up to, and stand alone from, the giants we discuss here, then electronic music really is a dead and rotten carcass, whose best tasting cuts have been stolen by the likes of The Neptunes and Radiohead. If you, as an electronic musician, bring forth nothing new in your music, you aren't helping the situation. There's no excuse for not being original. It's not as if technology is stopping you. |
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now i do take offence at that i dont think being original is important as a musician, and i am a musician a trained musician infact witha firm grounding in music thoery and production why do i write music? is it to original? no becaus eif it was id produce an album made of the sound of having a shit because well it would be original, not enlightened but original so why do i write music? for fun is the answer i dont attain to be anything or anyone i dont attain to immitate or avoid imitation i am a musician i love playing and writting music i ahve no intention of removing myself from that in order to "BECOME ORIGINAL" think good music is good music e, c#m, g# and a will always sound like alovely chord progression its not original but its nice if you wander off after the holy grail of originality you'll find its impossible to 100% original and hard to be 50% original the IDM scene has become saturated yes but with lots of nice sounds so what if ones pretty similar to the other? isnt that why its a genre? some of the most beautiful music in the world is simple, transparent predictable and obvious but its still beautiful |
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i dont really take offence im just grumpy cos i ahvent slept |
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Well, it's difficult to argue with your idea, and I feel myself being dragged into another negative slagfest, so all I can say is this: If you're not concerned about making a difference, getting signed, being written about, working with interesting people in collaboration, and having a successful career in music, then by all means, don't be original. Thank god Aphex didn't "go with the flow" and carry on making rave records. "some of the most beautiful music in the world is simple, transparent predictable and obvious but its still beautiful" Of course this is true. But we are talking about electronic music, where you aren't confined by having to use a guitar, or a gamelan, or your voice, or whatever. You start with silence, and build from that. Anyone who doesn't wish to make an original statement in electronic music is VERY unlikely to be successful, and even less likely to make music that I want to hear. If I lived for twelve hundred years, I wouldn't find time to listen to some North American or European tosspot trying their darndest to copy every aspect of BOC. One final observation : IDM is not a genre. You will never hear any major electronic artist refer to their music as "IDM". I've never heard a good record made by an artist who refers to their music as IDM. IDM was created by some american mailing list operator who thought it would be a laugh to cock a snook at "stupid" (i.e mostly black) dance music. IDM, to me, is hobbyist music made by curious amateurs who wish to learn how great electronic artists create their work. |
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Aphex has done a collaboration with Snares. |
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firstly i have to argee it has become a bit of a slag fest and i think its a bit 50/50 with the two of us so to get things started sorry but i think you misread my ideas of originality, my main point is that if you "TRY" to be original you wont. you will sound like your tryinga nd nobody likes that im sure can agree on this. My point is being original shouldnt be the priority, writting nice music should be, otherwise it becomes asensless contest about displaying who can come up with the least musical thing they can think of. i feel it veers you away form music in its purest sense. electronic music does allow alot of freedom and im not suggesting you should try and keep it basic or what not i just dont feel coplexity is essential. i also dont think alot of people write to get signed, of course it would be lovely no one would deny that but if thats your main objective (and to be clear im not suggesting its yours) i feel you are selling in a sense. if your only concern is to be signed or popular we'd all amke pop records but again im sure ur not suggesting anyone do this. i do understand there are (imo) two types of listener or a mix of the two, those that appreciate music for expression and those that appreciate it for its.... how to explain it..... its form neiether camp is wrong in my view, there are many songs i appreciate for thier form and many for thier expressions i just feel the quest for originality is a hopless quest, i feel you should just write what you write if it sounds original then bonus but i dont think you loose any of the enjoyment of writting a song if your end result isnt something original. theres a multitude of music i wont listen to because well it sound sjust like other things i agree but its not because i refuse too listen to is as it lacks originality but it is quite obviously inpractical and most likely unachievable i think alot of people loose site that electronic music is infact still music and certain rules guide it in that respect....(ill carry on in next po |
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recordings or road noise might be considered ambient music but in some respects its not music, i wills ay im not suggesting every body write preictable music by numbers and follow the guides i mean all rules are amde to be broken and the originality comes from bedning and breaking and remoulding these rules. my main point is that originality cant be looked for, its like (gay metaphor warning) trying too look at a dim star if you focus on it dissappears but if you leave it in the corner of your eye you will see it. as for idm as a genre i dont think you will find any serious artists who would liek to be confined to a genre and in actuality (classical baroque and romatic etc aside) its not possible to strictly define a genre thier main use is simple to classify for instance if you like something and want something similar thus u look with in the genre which basically means similar music. anyhow im chuffed this seems to have left the slagging match arena and enetered a proper debate, i know alot of what i say are just my views i just felt like expressing them :) |
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hahah... no, i won't be reading this thread anytime soon or ever... |
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lol |
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mr venetian´s music has something special for sure, cos no other artist receives such a thought criticism... seems like the best brains are very concerned about letting us know that they dont like it and that we shall not like it either... I love his music, simple as that... but I also think, the big hate he gets around here is a good sign of his skills too I always noticed how certain people dislike so much the fact that quite some other love his music... like if that was unasmissable. I dont like boc for example, well I like them... but they seem boring and repetitive to me... but I dont post in every boc thread trying to convince everybody how unoriginal they are with their soft girly music with children voices saying numbers... and I am sure many people or some people think like me, but still I dont see those poeple criticising boc in every boc thread as it happens with aaron (I used boc only as an example) |
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well i know ive never written so much defense in one topic before :| |
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SHUT THE FUCK UP. If you don`t like it don`t listen to it. |
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i just realised this whole thread can be answered in one song /me np venetian snares - this bitter earth |
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hey taff, "im not suggesting you should try and keep it basic or what not i just dont feel coplexity is essential." This was a point I was trying to make myself.. Doesn't matter whether it's a 700-track piece with 300000 edits, running on a 4Ghz multinode network and a farm of kyma boxes, or something knocked up on a Casio SK1. If the originality's there, all technical issues can be forgiven. By originality, I don't mean 100% dazzling originality - only a few select geniuses are capable of this at any given time - but at least to have something new and significant. I agree that music shouldn't be "forced", but then, a good musician should never be afraid of tackling anything thrown up by the imagination, no matter how bizarre or different the idea is. "i also dont think alot of people write to get signed, if thats your main objective (and to be clear im not suggesting its yours)" I think it's more important than ever to be signed to a label. Who has the time to wade through the millions of amateur works on the Internet? If a label has a good track record, you can rely on them to release things that meet your standards. I set my standards very high because I buy music of all genres, both new release and historical, and my limited finances won't allow me to track down every obscure 1987 Hip-Hop 12", or every obscure City Centre Offices release, or whatever. So I mainly stick with the major artists. Problem is, those artists creating classics now are mostly the same as the ones doing it 10 years ago, and I can't help thinking that it isn't healthy. (cont) |
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"if your only concern is to be signed or popular we'd all amke pop records but again im sure ur not suggesting anyone do this." Well, maybe this is an unusual view, but I think to create a really good yet successful pop record is the most noble thing, and the greatest achievement a musician can reach. To be able to engage the average man in the street with music that says something new and unfamiliar, rather than on his terms i.e to use familiar structures and devices in a routine way, is incredibly difficult and rare, but it happens. Electronic artists should be producing major hit records now, but it hasn't happened, save for a few isolated cases like Bjork - we've passed the baton on to generic dance, hip-hop and indie producers who have used the best ideas and collected all the glory (and cash). Maybe the electronic scene has shot itself in the foot, by refusing to develop and adapt its ideas for mass consumption. If a group like BOC were to take their sound and put it in a pop/song based format, followed by the inevitable massive success, would so many people be willing to copy their sound so precisely? |
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Ha ha! Oh dear. It looks like some of you are getting a bit wound up by a phrase that 'cie jiks mawp' (thank christ for copy and paste) said: " i think japes was just describing the experience of listening rather than making a factual statement !:) " All I was saying was that, for me (and I stress FOR ME, because how the fuck could I possibly tell YOU what you feel when you listen to music) it sounds like it's moving just a little too quickly for me to pick up on every sound. Especially 'Huge Chrome Cylinder Box Unfolding'. And that album is definitely not breakcore. It's "Intelligent" Dance Music (Urgh!) and the level of detail in it is astounding. Same with Drukqs, same with Bilious Paths, although Snares seems to be able to do the drill thing far more fluidly and fit a fuck-sight more sounds into his tracks. I'm not going to say Snares is better than Aphex because it's like comparing curry to fish and chips. Totally fucking different. Likewise, if breakcore isn't you thing, that's fine. I'm not trying to convert anyone like some bible bashing Christian. I'm just saying that it's absurd to say that the man hasn't got talent and skill. But like Taffmonster says, he does jazzy stuff quite well too (Moonglow/This Bitter Earth) so maybe you should have a listen. |
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cos, even though 99% of his music is shit, he obviously is the most talented artist on planet mu. (1% of Snares = quite a lot imo). |
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You'll find japes that the phrase: "i think japes was just describing the experience of listening rather than making a factual statement !:)" occurs after the great ramshackled scientific debate that followed your original post. |
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I can't be arsed to read this whole thread, but what I do know is, it doesn't take a genius to program a bunch of beats into every eighth note in a sequence and then speed it up to 200 bpm. |
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i believe every artists has its talent... VSnares is good at what he does... i happen to like some of his material, not that i dislike some of his, because i haven't heard all of his releases... saying "t doesn't take a genius to program a bunch of beats into every eighth note in a sequence and then speed it up to 200 bpm" is quite unfair.. i mean, truly, anyone can do it, but making it sound good is something completely different... and that's that.. VSnares is good shit |
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kinda not too mind challenging :) |
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so, what are some good breakcore artists if we have to not mention snares man? dj scud? |
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check out kid 606's label for breakcore.. |
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sickboy |
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is there anything there better than aaron? |
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no idea..i don't understand this sort of music enough to answer that. |
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Not in terms of complexity, but Shitmat's a fucking laugh and a half. Sickboy & Society Suckers are ace (I'm playing with them (IN THE MUSICAL SENSE!!! Heh heh!) in Brighton on 13th Sept if anyone's in the area). Anything on Peace Off. Doormouse, DJ 100000000, Ove Naxx, Bong-Ra, Abelcain (aka. Davros), Drop the Lime, Duran Duran Duran, Enduser (more D'n'B-ish), Dolphin, Hellfish, The Teknoist, The DJ Producer (the last four being more Hardcore-ish). Electromecca's good too. And the sillier side, on par with Shitmat: Scotch Egg, Ladyscraper, Floorclearer, Ebola, Bunglegushcore . . . the list is fucking endless, but these guys are the ones that have influenced me the most. |
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I might try doormouse |
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Lots of sillyness and very VERY noisy in parts, but also quite abstract too. The VSnares remix of Skelechairs is absolutely astounding too. It's what got me into the harder and sillier side of "electronica". "The Album?" is his best release I reckon, aside from the Beer Theme, which is well nigh impossible to find these days. |
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dude he doesnt do every 8 blach we hate snares etc the thing i likeapart fomr the intense beatsand beautiful melodies underneath is the fucked time signatures, alot of artists seem to do this and the ones that do it best (like snares imo) are those that dont make it feel awkward snares uses alot of 7/8 counterpoint, hemiolas and crazed time changes its not just bashing in a beat on the 8th note because for one accents often on the 7th in alot of songs and making non 4/4 beats sound natural is not the result of key bashing :) |
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when i was reffering to pop i kinda meant the bland one hit wonderness not the great pop song as such. i think electronica is getting more and more recognition what with devine doing halo2, aphex and boc doing adverts bola advertising bbc2 and kelp channel 4 shit i was watching one of thsoe changing rooms type progs the other day and what came on but boards of canada i was gob smackled, ok i dont want it asocciated with decorating programmes but still :) i think the point is we actually agree on most things (in a round about way) apart from mr funk as i said before he is the musical marmite he provokes extremem reactions from both sides. i listen to snares prolly more than any artist although ive yet to see him live :( saw aphex though he was awsome live and amon tobin anyhow... |
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He is good but boring |
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haha that describe's it well :) |
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i forgot to say that ido listen to a hell of alot of netlabel releases, found some really quality stuff on em and i get involved alot with soulseek records and have a kahvi release due out monotonik turned me down :( |
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nah he is quite amazing not boring at all actually very exciting |
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lol |
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well, the thing is i get nothing out of it..it's great to get wild to, but that only works at gigs for me..if i listen to it at home it's just background music..a bit annoying really.. |
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you guys need to hear it in the pub how i love internet jukeboxes :) YAY |
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