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not sure what you mean taffmonster. i'm indifferent to the album, which means i have no reason to go out of my way to hear any more. that album gets frequently cited as one of his best, most melodic works. |
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i think u should listen to moonglow only 2 songs :) i like songs about my cats but its not my fave |
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fluff monster and chinaski are the only two real "stand out" tracks on that one I reckon (I like all of it, but only those two really KICK ARSE) |
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i wouldn't hesitate to check any of his records, but since i have an ultra slow computer at home (very little file sharing) and wouldn't buy one of his records at this point, i'm not sure i'll get the chance. |
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fair enough but if you ever do i suggest moonglow :) |
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Blimey! What happened to the passtime of walking into a record shop and trying out a record on the instore hi-fi to see whether you like it or not? |
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I personally think rossc is his best work yet. Something about it really clicked with me more than the other stuff i have heard of his. |
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rossz is nice, but not his best... |
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Breakcore.. who invented this ridiculous genre? The only people I've ever known to be into breakcore are internet geeks and serious fashion victims who by chance saw "come to daddy" on MTV one day, and were 3 years old when Aphex released his first record, and have no idea that Mu-Ziq used to make very good music. And all this talk about Vsnares being a great programmer, what crap. Every Vsnares record I've heard (I've heard about three quartes of them) is so moronically unsubtle, it's just someone dicking about with distorted breaks on a laptop jammed to bursting point with pirated VST effects. Good programming is subtle. Good programming is something you're not meant to notice or be able to analyze. Not In-Your-Face-Fuck-You-2000bpm-Breaks that sound like a 14 year old having a piano-roll tantrum because his PSP has been confiscated. Plus, everything he's done has been done way better by other people in the past. Rossz shows that he could potentially produce something original (or at least, an original combination of other people's styles) but as a first attempt, it's laughably heavy-handed. |
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"(or at least, an original combination of other people's styles)" hang on? there isnt a single artists ever who doesnt do that its called natural progression as jazz came from blues as for that subtlty bollocks i look at it like sex sometimes you want to make sweet gentle love to her other times you wanna fuck like a jackhammer snares is fucking everyone else is making gay tender love! |
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"snares is fucking everyone else is making gay tender love!" If I were to equate snares to any sexual act, it would probably be masturbating to the lingerie section in mail-order catalogues. For dark music with true sexual energy, I'd go for Whitehouse or Coil, not this post-modern wal-mart industrial breakCOR! stuff that has ripped it off so blatantly. |
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dude your like so OUT THERE MAN fight the power by the way it was an metaphor to sex not an analogy wurd |
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cause he's simply the best. |
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your not allowed to sing that song without a giant curly wig |
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I should have just said "Snares Sucks!" and have done with it. I will, however, quote this diamond-encrusted piece of wisdom from higher up the thread: "There's so much sound in there that moves just a little faster than the human brain can pick up that it requires hundreds of listens but it has enough melody and composition to be pleasing on a superficial level too." Such gushing praise about a load of crap breakbeats mangled in ring and FM modulators. |
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i know ive been a bit harsh on u man as after all it is your opinion but of all the stuff you say about how easy it is id love to hear you do it ! |
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what japes just said over there is totally true..you boogie brains just cant handle it..and how its made doesnt say anything about the music itself.. taffmonster: I'm wearing it. |
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I like the cover art for "Meat Hole". |
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that's the equivalent of "oh you just don't understand this music". which is one of the dumbest arguments ever thought up. |
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yes! it's very PHVKKAGE and that is good. :) |
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its the preconceptions that seem to be getting exposed in this thread that gets my goat. 1. music doesnt have to intelligent and complicated to be good, sometimes simple music is the most beautiful 2. you dont have to be subtle or neat all the time, look at punk and most importantly 3. its all your own opinion but to sit and say "oh i could make that its easy" or "its just made like this" shows you arent listening to the music your simply judging it. |
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read posts very carefully, I think japes arguments on Venetian snares' music was well said, and had on argument to mr Boogie's argument "Such gushing praise about a load of crap breakbeats mangled in ring and FM modulators" I said: "and how its made doesnt say anything about the music itself" Is there something I dont see? |
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Maybe I'll get a chance to do something like that. My life is busy enough as it is without dedicating time to vanity projects. But if I do something, I'll bump the thread to let you know. It's not Vsnares music itself that I have a problem with - after all, I don't have to listen to it, and he's better than the poor misguided souls who copy what he does. My problem is with the people who hold him up to be some kind of cutting-edge electronic music virtuoso with superhuman abilities, and I truly believe that he barely reaches the level of mediocre in this respect. The top guys, Aphex, Squarepusher, Autechre (and at a pinch, BOC) deserve this praise as they have forged their sound through sheer hard work, before technology made it so much easier to sequence and control sound. Aaron Funk will never be as great as these, in just the same way that Courtney Pine will never be as good as Parker or Gillespie, or Kenny Larkin will never be better than Juan Atkins. |
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and you also said "you boogie brains just cant handle it..". |
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and japes' remark "There's so much sound in there that moves just a little faster than the human brain can pick up that it requires hundreds of listens but it has enough melody and composition to be pleasing on a superficial level too" just sounds completely made up to me. I don't think the music moves too fast for me, or my brain can't keep up, I just don't like his music. but I generally can't stand breakcore, so it's not very surprising. |
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I was going to say "You're not really a people person are you?" but I've decided to change it to "ok, so you don't like it, but some other people do, so please don't just assume they're all dim cos they don't see the light you do" and "who cares what the music's made of if someone thinks it sounds good?" |
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I couldn't say if it's well programmed or not, btw. I have no idea. |
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the same goes for that "too fast for your brain"-nonsense though. |
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can i just say (and im not having a go here) bt all you just said about snares then i would totally say about autechre especially untitled they sit and twiddle with randomations and automated paramteres for hours untill they strike luck i dont see creation in it i see crossed fingers as for technology wise mr funk uses renoise and to be perfectly honest i think anyone who can programme such complexities as ion divvy or moonglow/this bitter earth on a fuking tracker is amazing i mean christ its a tracker there not exactly point click export are they? i think the reason u get people spouting on about him so much (like myself) is because of the extremety of some peoples dislike for him its like it offends them some people get so bent out of shape as you are now (and thats fine not having a go) that it provokes extremes back i can understand people not liking certain artists but not why they get so bent out of shape about it and appear to want to prove to the world that thier opinion is indeed correct I LIKE HIM thats my opinion YOU HATE HIM thats yous lets leave it at without some extreme remark about how shit he is and how its all a big conspiracy |
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japes said: "There's so much sound in there that moves just a little faster than the human brain can pick up that it requires hundreds of listens but it has enough melody and composition to be pleasing on a superficial level too". and mrboogie argued this phrase..if I find mr japes argument totally true..and mrboogie doesnt..then mrboogie brains cant handle it. |
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"just sounds completely made up to me." listen twice. |
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Holy crap! I just realised. We're having a discussion. About music!! Go easy on us... it's been a while. We're not used to it. |
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erm. your argument makes no sense at all: A says: X = true B says: I think A is right, X = true C says: no, X=false B says: aha! you see! A must be right. how can you believe such bollocks as music being quicker than someones brain can handle? how would you even know? |
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its 2p and i ahvenet even slepts yet my typing is going more and more downhill and my annoyment is getting bloody annoyed i love you guys <3 |
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Yes, "this too quick for my brain" business is sublime bollocks. |
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it's great. "I don't like this music." "it's too quick for your brain. listen again." "I still don't like it." "aha. you see. it's too quick for your brain." |
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I'm a sucker for masturbatory computer music, there's definitely a little place for it in my heart. ...but I definitely don't see how anything could be so fast that the human ear couldn't pick it up, or how anyone could say that and be alright with it. |
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Snares music drips in subtleties and inventiveness. If you are deaf to this you are quite possibly backwards and closed minded. I can understand not liking it, in terms of taste, or taking a jab at him for releasing everything and some of it perhaps not being as good as he can be, but writing it off entirely is ludicrous. |
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I'll try it on my dad, though in his case it's probably true. |
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Autechre don't deal in random. They plan every aspect of their music. I need to link you to the interview where they're asked about this. It's the one on the web that gets linked every now and then. It's a good interview and goes through everything. I can't find the link though. Sorry. As for Snares: I like a lot of his stuff but I have to agree that a some of it does seem to be a case of running his finger along the sample triggers and calling it a track. His tracks show a lot of humour and some of them are so well made you can feel a lot of time spent on it. Maybe thats just my view but he does seem to just do 2 or 3 tracks that are fucking sweet and then fill the rest of the album with tracks in a similar vein. The amount of releases a year is a joke too. Initially I did try and keep up but it's stupid having to keep an eye on so many different labels and release lists. It's almost as if he believes he has a limited shelf life and is trying to make as much money as he can quickly... |
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i think iwth autechre its mainly the new one i dislike, i eman i love the other albums draft and amber especially but my opinion of untitled is wholey horrible i dont see the love of it.... but i understand people hold it in great stead and thats kool just not for me as for your comments about snares thats kool your not getting all bent out of shape and calling people stupid for liking it and comparing it to wal-mart as if its some anti capitalist statment to not like it i get peeved when people chat about it as said before "s though we must be dumbies ofr liking" thats my beef not disliking it christ if everyone liked it well ... well nothing but you get my point i hope... |
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I forgot to comment on the thing about music quicker than the brain can intercept. Your nervous system sends messages at around 185mph. Your brain processes thousands of impulses a second and you're trying to claim that Snares makes music faster than the brain can pick up? That's fucking bullshit. I could understand if you said there were subtleties people wouldn't notice first time around but saying that just nullifies any argument before and after that statement. |
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can i just say the sakura form the american ring is so less scary then the japanese one although the eye on the cover is hillarious (in the jap version) now back to the topic! |
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I know that because I've read some psychology books in the past. The human brain acts on too much information, the first human reaktion is to survive, when hearing too much sounds the brain will signale to the body there something wrong, thats why people's first reaktion too snares music is mostly "o no what a crap noise is this?!?!..put it out!!...,second off all: "ignoring this fact will result in hearing enough melody and composition to be pleasing on a superficial level too." I know that cause I experience his music this way.. But hey: I do like breakcorisch stuff. |
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HAhaha, Untilted was an album I hated at first. I really couldn't stand it. I was disappointed because this was the first Autechre release I'd been looking forward to. When Draft came out I was only just getting into them etc. I love untilted now and think it's one of their greatest works. I was right in my assumption/hope that it was a grower. It was an album I just wasn't in the right frame of mind for originally. I was missing something. Although there was something there which made me go back and listen a couple more times even though I didn't like it. At some level I suppose I must've liked it. |
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i think japes was just describing the experience of listening rather than making a factual statement !:) |
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Now THAT sounds more like a proper statement. I've never read that myself but I'm not a doctor, psychologist or neuro surgeon so that's possibly why. I'll have to do some research myself because that sounds interesting. |
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I read it as if they were stating a fact but I'm a morose motherfucker who loves to pick holes :P |
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hey! lets argue about our opinions! |
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