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offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 14:34 [#02616741]
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LAZY_TITLE

evil bastards


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 14:35 [#02616742]
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LAZY_TITLE

survived thank god


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2022-02-25 15:36 [#02616744]
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Anarchism forecloses on the possibility of change by
nullifying the potential to build political power and take
control. This is why it's so beloved of breadtubers
regurgitating state department talking points.


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2022-02-25 15:39 [#02616745]
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"If you've been following real expert Russia analysis then
you'd know that experts have been forecasting a showdown
over NATO expansionism for many years. If you follow
imperial spinmeisters then you think it's just Putin being a
monster because he's evil and hates freedom."

cool thread


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 15:56 [#02616746]
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I think its extremely difficult to argue he isn't a complete
psychopath, that polonium tea poisoning is one of the most
sadistic murders I can imagine, he wanted that guy to suffer
horrendously. He is an utterly ruthless psychopath, he fist
the definition perfectly, I'm no foreign policy expert but
if he isn't I really really don't know who is


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2022-02-25 16:01 [#02616747]
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did u read the thread hyperflake


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 16:13 [#02616748]
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I know most of this, I've watched that full length lecture
with that guy a while back. I was of the same opinion of
this woman until fairly recently when I realised even if
NATO expanded the buck stops with Putin deciding to invade
or not, you can do something he doesn't approve of by
ultimately its him who is war mongering isn't it


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 16:15 [#02616749]
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I don't think you can acquiesce to people like Putin, I mean
Ukraine isn't even in NATO and he has invaded, so this NATO
Expansion red herring is a moot point in my eyes. If NATO
didn't exist he would do this. Anyway this is just my
opinion




 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 16:24 [#02616750]
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Admittedly Im no foreign policy expert but its intensely
annoying seeing people on twitter present themselves as
experts on incredibly complex subjects, be condescending to
people in replies, I can watch obscure lectures by
professors and read articles outside of the mainstream as
well you know, doesn't make me the next gore vial or whoever


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 16:28 [#02616751]
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I'll calm down and have a read, perhaps I just assumed she
was a Putin apologist.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 16:39 [#02616753]
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LAZY_TITLE


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 16:46 [#02616754]
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Sorry Fleet Im a bit stressed, Putin intimated he would nuke
western Europe if anyone interfered yesterday


 

offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2022-02-25 17:50 [#02616755]
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same



 

offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2022-02-25 17:56 [#02616756]
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i like the way this discussion reflects on different angles.
it helps to talk about it with people who fall onto
propaganda, for example folks who fanatically believe t.v.
is 100% lies. i find it reassuring that there is no tabus,
yet my estmation of the situation matches in general. its a
bit like a political talkshow trying to put light on a
topic. but instead of accusations and local politics power
struggles its more about theory and getting the facts right.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 17:57 [#02616757]
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I'm fairly sure we will be alright, but being threatened
however obliquely with nuclear Armageddon, when you have
just exiting a global pandemic isn't something that is good
for your anxiety


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 18:23 [#02616758]
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I just had a raging argument with a Trumpster on twitter I
signed off on

"you pituitary retards will be the death of America,
anything you say falls about with a cursory examination for
five minutes like wet lettuce. get totally totally phucked,
you utter cretin"

then I deleted it but I hope he saw it before I deleted it


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 18:26 [#02616759]
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LAZY_TITLE

seems like he did haha fucking little shit


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2022-02-25 18:42 [#02616760]
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Anyone know where to get Martin van creveld ebooks for free?


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2022-02-25 19:25 [#02616761]
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https://b-ok.cc/s/martin%20van%20creveld


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 19:30 [#02616762]
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just read his wiki, looks interesting


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 19:33 [#02616763]
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Fuck me I need to chill out


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2022-02-25 19:34 [#02616764]
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He's like a professor or something in Israel of military
history. He married one of his own students at uni years
ago. Not very pc really and his views on women probably
won't stand the test of time. Knows his military topics and
history 100 per cent though.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 19:51 [#02616765]
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Yeah to be fair to him most old blokes into military history
don't have very PC views i don't reckon. Apart from that one
guy who was on time commanders who changed gender


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2022-02-25 21:02 [#02616766]
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fellas, try Blackshirts and Reds by Michael Parenti


 

offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2022-02-25 22:17 [#02616767]
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ha, yes
just watched a good couple of hours of news on this for the
second night in a row, because of its urgency. i really
thought we were past this chapter.




 

offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2022-02-25 22:29 [#02616768]
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interestingly enough all aspects i could think of have been
shown.
the question whether or not the nato is to blame (or
partially to blame).
what the military and other options are. that germany would
rather have the swift exclusion as a last resort if russia
cuts our gas and coal, which if im correct were even
existent during the cold war. sadly for the ukraine i feel
germany doesnt have many options, because cutting us off
would hit us, the rest of europe and the russian people more
than putin. and we dont have any military apparel to expel.
for now all we can go with is cutting off russian banks and
tech trade and a few other things directed towards putin and
hope that the russian public acceptance of this war further
decreases.
feels really shit to turn up the radiator now i must say
though,
but id gladly agree to energy cuts if it were to help or
possible.


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2022-02-25 22:58 [#02616769]
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most western countries spent their military budget
(billions) on the F35 stealth jet. this jet can't actually
do stealth, is a lug to turn in combat, and is basically a
piece of shit plane that wouldnt last in a dogfight. it's
not agile enough. the western governments are literally
putting profit for military companies above our defence
capability

what the nutty historians recommend is a plane called the
a10

LAZY_TITLE

i think they cost about £100,000 for each plane, the plane
is heavily armoured and has a giant cannon for blowing away
enemy troops on the ground. i think it can take off
vertically but im not sure, havent looked into this stuff
for a while. it's like a flying tank, the purpose of it is
to backup troops on the ground, let them see over hills and
mountains and give your own light infantry ground support.

portable anti tank weapons would be good, also rpgs and
machine guns, snipers rifles, and many many bicycles for
every citizen.

i dont know much about drone warfare...


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2022-02-25 23:03 [#02616770]
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The Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II is a single-seat,
twin-turbofan, straight-wing, subsonic attack aircraft
developed by Fairchild-Republic for the United States Air
Force (USAF). In service since 1976, it is named for the
Republic P-47 Thunderbolt, a World War II-era fighter-bomber
effective at attacking ground targets, but commonly referred
to as the "Warthog" or "Hog".[4] The A-10 was designed to
provide close air support (CAS) to friendly ground troops by
attacking armored vehicles, tanks, and other enemy ground
forces; it is the only production-built aircraft designed
solely for CAS to have served with the U.S. Air Force. Its
secondary mission is to direct other aircraft in attacks on
ground targets, a role called forward air
controller-airborne; aircraft used primarily in this role
are designated OA-10.

The A-10 was intended to improve on the performance and
firepower of the Douglas A-1 Skyraider. Its airframe was
designed for durability, with measures such as 1,200 pounds
(540 kg) of titanium armor to protect the cockpit and
aircraft systems, enabling it to absorb damage and continue
flying. Its ability to take off and land from relatively
short runways permits operation from airstrips close to the
front lines, and its simple design enables maintenance with
minimal facilities.

The A-10 served in the First Gulf War (Operation Desert
Storm), the American–led intervention against Iraq's
invasion of Kuwait, where the aircraft distinguished itself.
The A-10 also participated in other conflicts such as in
Grenada, the Balkans, Afghanistan, Iraq, and against the
Islamic State in the Middle East.

The A-10A single-seat variant was the only version produced,
though one pre-production airframe was modified into the
YA-10B twin-seat prototype to test an all-weather
night-capable version. In 2005, a program was started to
upgrade the remaining A-10A aircraft to the A-10C
configuration, with modern avionics for use with precision
weaponry.


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2022-02-25 23:05 [#02616771]
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The U.S. Air Force had stated the Lockheed Martin F-35
Lightning II would replace the A-10 as it entered service,
but this remains highly contentious within the USAF and in
political circles. With a variety of upgrades and wing
replacements, the A-10's service life can be extended to
2040; the service has no planned retirement date as of June
2017.


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2022-02-25 23:18 [#02616773]
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10552311/US-F-35-L
ightning-fighters-arrive-NATOs-eastern-flank.html

Biden and Boris are relying on these junk planes to save us
from Putin.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 23:28 [#02616774]
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A10 is a fantastic plane! they can fly back with a half a
wing missing, and they have a armoured bathtub around the
pilot made of titanium, great for killing tanks!


 

offline DADONCK from here on 2022-02-25 23:28 [#02616775]
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putin my ass


 

offline DADONCK from here on 2022-02-25 23:29 [#02616776]
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uk rain e


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 23:30 [#02616777]
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I think if the US gave the Ukrainians loads of A10s though i
think that would be seen as an act of aggression


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 23:31 [#02616778]
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LAZY_TITLE check this umbro


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 23:37 [#02616779]
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not sure how effective it would be against Russian surface
to air missiles though, but better than nowt and great for
knocking out tanks


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 23:38 [#02616780]
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and murdering innocent iraqis with depleted uranium high
velocity rounds unfortunately, but is a great plane. If i
wanted anything though would have to be an apache gunship,
cos i love that game!


 

offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2022-02-26 07:28 [#02616782]
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if only we had just melted all this into the ground when we
had the chance.
also, arent guns useless when nukes are still around?
ukraine certainly could use all military apparel now and
they have the second largest army in europe, but i feel once
the nato border would be reached its all or nothing.


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2022-02-26 08:15 [#02616783]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk6Qr6OO5Xo

a10 video from real engineeringLAZY_TITLE

actually i wasnt thinking of supplying them to ukraine
i think we should be buying them for the uk
and bicycles for all people who live here

the government in uk and europe should legalise the same
weapons they have in america, ar 15?

we're not really prepared for war.

boris is an asshole,im not really a fan of the government or
opposition but we'll miss them if putin somehow kills them
all.

i admire the bravery of those ukrainians who died on that
little island, but then it was pretty dumb to leave them
there to die for nothing without any anti-ship or anti-air
weapons.

the level of strategy going on is pathetic. what happened in
syria from the government during the recent civil war there
was the state army's useless generals and leaders got killed
early on, then the battle hardened fighters became the new
generals and leaders for syria's side. i can see that
happening in the uk. our leadership will crumble then people
more suited to war fighting will step up.


 

offline Roger Wilco from Mo's Beans on 2022-02-26 09:28 [#02616784]
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The threat of firey nuclear extinction was on everyone's
minds in the 80s but we at least back then had better music.


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2022-02-26 10:21 [#02616785]
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maskirovka

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_military_deception


 

offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2022-02-26 10:58 [#02616786]
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that was the strangest thing, when i heard a electro song
the other day with strong wave elements and i suddenly had
to think about the era it was made in and how i dont want
that to return. kind of like a fetish turning actual
nightmare.

anyway were not there yet. and it feels strange to think
about stuff like that when people are dying.


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2022-02-26 12:21 [#02616787]
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8 years Ukraine has been shelling Donbass with NATO support
and barely a peep from our mainstream media. 14,000 dead
including 100 children.

Ukraine's previous President, Poroshenko, and his policy on
Donbass: "We will have jobs—they will not. We will have
pensions—they will not. [....] Our children will go to
schools and kindergartens—theirs will hide in the
basements (cellars)."

incredible thread scroll up there's a lot to take in



 

offline DADONCK from here on 2022-02-26 12:29 [#02616788]
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LAZY_TITLE


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2022-02-26 12:48 [#02616789]
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that Russian ambassador has the patience of a saint.

watching people whipped into grand mal retardation by the
mainstream media the same way they were 20 years ago is
absolutely the blackest pill imaginable

we learn nothing

there's no history, context, causes. it's simply a parade of
awful stuff happening because of bad guys. certainly nothing
we did! Minsk agreement, what's that? sounds like fake news


 

offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2022-02-26 13:32 [#02616790]
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i heard someone talking abut the minsk agreement yesterday
in german tv and i agree that the conflict hadnt gotten
enough attention before the russian´s military attack.
doesnt change much imo as i also still believe that its not
the fault of the west/nato. not even negliglently. it
remains the wrong decision to attack a country and putin
willingly broke a number of agreements for example to leave
them be after 1991 when ukraine gave up all their atomic
arsenal in exchange and the reason putin gives for his
attacks are just ridiculous, while we argue what we did
wrong. it feels like a woman defending her wife beater
husband. however im willing to be fair and listen to all
arguments.


 

offline DADONCK from here on 2022-02-26 13:33 [#02616791]
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ah, cmon. stop supporting this crap, by undermining
ukraine's right as a country to be sovereign

putin is not even interested in ukraine, he has great fun
destabilising a country of 40 mio. people. make the lives of
40 mio. people miserable is no excuse for anything

he played his hinterfotzige scheisse for much too long. and
it didn't even work out. so he made this war plan. I bet he
worked at least 5 years on it

and he had least 20 years to find a better way to deal with
his concerns in a much better way and especially do good in
his own country

most fighters right now are young russian cannon fodder.
next line of fighters will be sent by kadyrow. he will take
on small step after another

this will go on for the next years, if the russians
themselves won't do anything about it


 

offline DADONCK from here on 2022-02-26 13:38 [#02616792]
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LAZY_TITLE


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2022-02-26 13:43 [#02616793]
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https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/full-text-putin-s-decla
ration-of-war-on-ukraine

LAZY_TITLE

the full declaration of war speech from putin. fighting over
who started it at this point is dumb. we need to get ready
because the russian bear is furious right now.

if you read the chapter 6 (last chapter) of the rise and
decline of the state by martin van creveld you will see what
replaces our governments and states is stateless areas of
disorder.

biden wont be there in 5 years time, he'll be dead or in
hiding like saddam. civil wars all over the place.

what we need to do is unite all states vs stateless
disorder, otherwise the chaos will get out of hand.



 

offline RussellDust on 2022-02-26 14:00 [#02616794]
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Logged in to LOL at Danza!


 


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