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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 14:34 [#02616741]
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evil bastards
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 14:35 [#02616742]
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survived thank god
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2022-02-25 15:36 [#02616744]
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Anarchism forecloses on the possibility of change by nullifying the potential to build political power and take control. This is why it's so beloved of breadtubers regurgitating state department talking points.
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2022-02-25 15:39 [#02616745]
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"If you've been following real expert Russia analysis then you'd know that experts have been forecasting a showdown over NATO expansionism for many years. If you follow imperial spinmeisters then you think it's just Putin being a monster because he's evil and hates freedom."
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 15:56 [#02616746]
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I think its extremely difficult to argue he isn't a complete psychopath, that polonium tea poisoning is one of the most sadistic murders I can imagine, he wanted that guy to suffer horrendously. He is an utterly ruthless psychopath, he fist the definition perfectly, I'm no foreign policy expert but if he isn't I really really don't know who is
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2022-02-25 16:01 [#02616747]
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did u read the thread hyperflake
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 16:13 [#02616748]
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I know most of this, I've watched that full length lecture with that guy a while back. I was of the same opinion of this woman until fairly recently when I realised even if NATO expanded the buck stops with Putin deciding to invade or not, you can do something he doesn't approve of by ultimately its him who is war mongering isn't it
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 16:15 [#02616749]
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I don't think you can acquiesce to people like Putin, I mean Ukraine isn't even in NATO and he has invaded, so this NATO Expansion red herring is a moot point in my eyes. If NATO didn't exist he would do this. Anyway this is just my opinion
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 16:24 [#02616750]
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Admittedly Im no foreign policy expert but its intensely annoying seeing people on twitter present themselves as experts on incredibly complex subjects, be condescending to people in replies, I can watch obscure lectures by professors and read articles outside of the mainstream as well you know, doesn't make me the next gore vial or whoever
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 16:28 [#02616751]
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I'll calm down and have a read, perhaps I just assumed she was a Putin apologist.
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 16:39 [#02616753]
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 16:46 [#02616754]
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Sorry Fleet Im a bit stressed, Putin intimated he would nuke western Europe if anyone interfered yesterday
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2022-02-25 17:50 [#02616755]
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same
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2022-02-25 17:56 [#02616756]
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i like the way this discussion reflects on different angles. it helps to talk about it with people who fall onto propaganda, for example folks who fanatically believe t.v. is 100% lies. i find it reassuring that there is no tabus, yet my estmation of the situation matches in general. its a bit like a political talkshow trying to put light on a topic. but instead of accusations and local politics power struggles its more about theory and getting the facts right.
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 17:57 [#02616757]
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I'm fairly sure we will be alright, but being threatened however obliquely with nuclear Armageddon, when you have just exiting a global pandemic isn't something that is good for your anxiety
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 18:23 [#02616758]
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I just had a raging argument with a Trumpster on twitter I signed off on
"you pituitary retards will be the death of America, anything you say falls about with a cursory examination for five minutes like wet lettuce. get totally totally phucked, you utter cretin"
then I deleted it but I hope he saw it before I deleted it
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 18:26 [#02616759]
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seems like he did haha fucking little shit
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2022-02-25 18:42 [#02616760]
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Anyone know where to get Martin van creveld ebooks for free?
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2022-02-25 19:25 [#02616761]
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https://b-ok.cc/s/martin%20van%20creveld
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 19:30 [#02616762]
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just read his wiki, looks interesting
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 19:33 [#02616763]
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Fuck me I need to chill out
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2022-02-25 19:34 [#02616764]
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He's like a professor or something in Israel of military history. He married one of his own students at uni years ago. Not very pc really and his views on women probably won't stand the test of time. Knows his military topics and history 100 per cent though.
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 19:51 [#02616765]
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Yeah to be fair to him most old blokes into military history don't have very PC views i don't reckon. Apart from that one guy who was on time commanders who changed gender
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2022-02-25 21:02 [#02616766]
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fellas, try Blackshirts and Reds by Michael Parenti
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2022-02-25 22:17 [#02616767]
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ha, yes just watched a good couple of hours of news on this for the second night in a row, because of its urgency. i really thought we were past this chapter.
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2022-02-25 22:29 [#02616768]
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interestingly enough all aspects i could think of have been shown.
the question whether or not the nato is to blame (or partially to blame).
what the military and other options are. that germany would rather have the swift exclusion as a last resort if russia cuts our gas and coal, which if im correct were even existent during the cold war. sadly for the ukraine i feel germany doesnt have many options, because cutting us off would hit us, the rest of europe and the russian people more than putin. and we dont have any military apparel to expel. for now all we can go with is cutting off russian banks and tech trade and a few other things directed towards putin and hope that the russian public acceptance of this war further decreases.
feels really shit to turn up the radiator now i must say though,
but id gladly agree to energy cuts if it were to help or possible.
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2022-02-25 22:58 [#02616769]
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most western countries spent their military budget (billions) on the F35 stealth jet. this jet can't actually do stealth, is a lug to turn in combat, and is basically a piece of shit plane that wouldnt last in a dogfight. it's not agile enough. the western governments are literally putting profit for military companies above our defence capability
what the nutty historians recommend is a plane called the a10
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i think they cost about £100,000 for each plane, the plane is heavily armoured and has a giant cannon for blowing away enemy troops on the ground. i think it can take off vertically but im not sure, havent looked into this stuff for a while. it's like a flying tank, the purpose of it is to backup troops on the ground, let them see over hills and mountains and give your own light infantry ground support.
portable anti tank weapons would be good, also rpgs and machine guns, snipers rifles, and many many bicycles for every citizen.
i dont know much about drone warfare...
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2022-02-25 23:03 [#02616770]
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The Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II is a single-seat, twin-turbofan, straight-wing, subsonic attack aircraft developed by Fairchild-Republic for the United States Air Force (USAF). In service since 1976, it is named for the Republic P-47 Thunderbolt, a World War II-era fighter-bomber effective at attacking ground targets, but commonly referred to as the "Warthog" or "Hog".[4] The A-10 was designed to provide close air support (CAS) to friendly ground troops by attacking armored vehicles, tanks, and other enemy ground forces; it is the only production-built aircraft designed solely for CAS to have served with the U.S. Air Force. Its secondary mission is to direct other aircraft in attacks on ground targets, a role called forward air controller-airborne; aircraft used primarily in this role are designated OA-10.
The A-10 was intended to improve on the performance and firepower of the Douglas A-1 Skyraider. Its airframe was designed for durability, with measures such as 1,200 pounds (540 kg) of titanium armor to protect the cockpit and aircraft systems, enabling it to absorb damage and continue flying. Its ability to take off and land from relatively short runways permits operation from airstrips close to the front lines, and its simple design enables maintenance with minimal facilities.
The A-10 served in the First Gulf War (Operation Desert Storm), the American–led intervention against Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, where the aircraft distinguished itself. The A-10 also participated in other conflicts such as in Grenada, the Balkans, Afghanistan, Iraq, and against the Islamic State in the Middle East.
The A-10A single-seat variant was the only version produced, though one pre-production airframe was modified into the YA-10B twin-seat prototype to test an all-weather night-capable version. In 2005, a program was started to upgrade the remaining A-10A aircraft to the A-10C configuration, with modern avionics for use with precision weaponry.
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2022-02-25 23:05 [#02616771]
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The U.S. Air Force had stated the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II would replace the A-10 as it entered service, but this remains highly contentious within the USAF and in political circles. With a variety of upgrades and wing replacements, the A-10's service life can be extended to 2040; the service has no planned retirement date as of June 2017.
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2022-02-25 23:18 [#02616773]
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10552311/US-F-35-L ightning-fighters-arrive-NATOs-eastern-flank.html
Biden and Boris are relying on these junk planes to save us from Putin.
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 23:28 [#02616774]
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A10 is a fantastic plane! they can fly back with a half a wing missing, and they have a armoured bathtub around the pilot made of titanium, great for killing tanks!
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DADONCK
from here on 2022-02-25 23:28 [#02616775]
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putin my ass
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DADONCK
from here on 2022-02-25 23:29 [#02616776]
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uk rain e
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 23:30 [#02616777]
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I think if the US gave the Ukrainians loads of A10s though i think that would be seen as an act of aggression
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 23:31 [#02616778]
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LAZY_TITLE check this umbro
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 23:37 [#02616779]
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not sure how effective it would be against Russian surface to air missiles though, but better than nowt and great for knocking out tanks
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-25 23:38 [#02616780]
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and murdering innocent iraqis with depleted uranium high velocity rounds unfortunately, but is a great plane. If i wanted anything though would have to be an apache gunship, cos i love that game!
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2022-02-26 07:28 [#02616782]
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if only we had just melted all this into the ground when we had the chance.
also, arent guns useless when nukes are still around? ukraine certainly could use all military apparel now and they have the second largest army in europe, but i feel once the nato border would be reached its all or nothing.
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2022-02-26 08:15 [#02616783]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk6Qr6OO5Xo
a10 video from real engineeringLAZY_TITLE
actually i wasnt thinking of supplying them to ukraine i think we should be buying them for the uk and bicycles for all people who live here
the government in uk and europe should legalise the same weapons they have in america, ar 15?
we're not really prepared for war.
boris is an asshole,im not really a fan of the government or opposition but we'll miss them if putin somehow kills them all.
i admire the bravery of those ukrainians who died on that little island, but then it was pretty dumb to leave them there to die for nothing without any anti-ship or anti-air weapons.
the level of strategy going on is pathetic. what happened in syria from the government during the recent civil war there was the state army's useless generals and leaders got killed early on, then the battle hardened fighters became the new generals and leaders for syria's side. i can see that happening in the uk. our leadership will crumble then people more suited to war fighting will step up.
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Roger Wilco
from Mo's Beans on 2022-02-26 09:28 [#02616784]
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The threat of firey nuclear extinction was on everyone's minds in the 80s but we at least back then had better music.
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2022-02-26 10:21 [#02616785]
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maskirovka
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_military_deception
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2022-02-26 10:58 [#02616786]
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that was the strangest thing, when i heard a electro song the other day with strong wave elements and i suddenly had to think about the era it was made in and how i dont want that to return. kind of like a fetish turning actual nightmare.
anyway were not there yet. and it feels strange to think about stuff like that when people are dying.
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2022-02-26 12:21 [#02616787]
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8 years Ukraine has been shelling Donbass with NATO support and barely a peep from our mainstream media. 14,000 dead including 100 children.
Ukraine's previous President, Poroshenko, and his policy on Donbass: "We will have jobs—they will not. We will have pensions—they will not. [....] Our children will go to schools and kindergartens—theirs will hide in the basements (cellars)."
incredible thread scroll up there's a lot to take in
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DADONCK
from here on 2022-02-26 12:29 [#02616788]
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2022-02-26 12:48 [#02616789]
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that Russian ambassador has the patience of a saint.
watching people whipped into grand mal retardation by the mainstream media the same way they were 20 years ago is absolutely the blackest pill imaginable
we learn nothing
there's no history, context, causes. it's simply a parade of awful stuff happening because of bad guys. certainly nothing we did! Minsk agreement, what's that? sounds like fake news
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2022-02-26 13:32 [#02616790]
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i heard someone talking abut the minsk agreement yesterday in german tv and i agree that the conflict hadnt gotten enough attention before the russian´s military attack. doesnt change much imo as i also still believe that its not the fault of the west/nato. not even negliglently. it remains the wrong decision to attack a country and putin willingly broke a number of agreements for example to leave them be after 1991 when ukraine gave up all their atomic arsenal in exchange and the reason putin gives for his attacks are just ridiculous, while we argue what we did wrong. it feels like a woman defending her wife beater husband. however im willing to be fair and listen to all arguments.
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DADONCK
from here on 2022-02-26 13:33 [#02616791]
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ah, cmon. stop supporting this crap, by undermining ukraine's right as a country to be sovereign
putin is not even interested in ukraine, he has great fun destabilising a country of 40 mio. people. make the lives of 40 mio. people miserable is no excuse for anything
he played his hinterfotzige scheisse for much too long. and it didn't even work out. so he made this war plan. I bet he worked at least 5 years on it
and he had least 20 years to find a better way to deal with his concerns in a much better way and especially do good in his own country
most fighters right now are young russian cannon fodder. next line of fighters will be sent by kadyrow. he will take on small step after another
this will go on for the next years, if the russians themselves won't do anything about it
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DADONCK
from here on 2022-02-26 13:38 [#02616792]
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2022-02-26 13:43 [#02616793]
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https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/full-text-putin-s-decla ration-of-war-on-ukraine
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the full declaration of war speech from putin. fighting over who started it at this point is dumb. we need to get ready because the russian bear is furious right now.
if you read the chapter 6 (last chapter) of the rise and decline of the state by martin van creveld you will see what replaces our governments and states is stateless areas of disorder.
biden wont be there in 5 years time, he'll be dead or in hiding like saddam. civil wars all over the place.
what we need to do is unite all states vs stateless disorder, otherwise the chaos will get out of hand.
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RussellDust
on 2022-02-26 14:00 [#02616794]
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Logged in to LOL at Danza!
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