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offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2022-02-26 14:02 [#02616795]
Points: 3647 Status: Regular | Followup to DADONCK: #02616792



Wow, deceiving your military opponents, something so evil that there's even a
Russian word for it, which makes it Double Evil.


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2022-02-26 14:02 [#02616796]
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Umbro is so upset with me that he's learned to make HTML
links!


 

offline DADONCK from here on 2022-02-26 14:18 [#02616798]
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yeah right, it's just a pretty old and dumb strategy. putin
is so last century, yawn. not cool

I'll go order my blow up panzer on amazon now
LAZY_TITLE

putin plays these games since kgb times, while wanting to be
seen as a true warrior. he a lil wacko
LAZY_TITLE


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2022-02-26 14:40 [#02616799]
Points: 6123 Status: Lurker



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE6rSljTwdU

understanding the russian mindset, video from 2014


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-26 14:45 [#02616800]
Points: 31039 Status: Lurker



As others have speculated he quite probably has some sort of
health issue that his driving him to rash decisions. Total
speculation of course, but he doesn't look in rude health to
me.


 

offline DADONCK from here on 2022-02-26 14:50 [#02616801]
Points: 3532 Status: Regular



this is better for understanding of recent actions
LAZY_TITLE


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-26 15:13 [#02616802]
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going to create a bit of a power vacuum when he goes? who
will replace him I wonder


 

offline Roger Wilco from Mo's Beans on 2022-02-26 15:56 [#02616803]
Points: 1999 Status: Lurker



Me?


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-26 16:07 [#02616804]
Points: 31039 Status: Lurker | Followup to Roger Wilco: #02616803



you would have a throne made out of nubile young naked women
wouldn't you, like a sex throne!


 

offline Advocate on 2022-02-26 21:45 [#02616810]
Points: 3319 Status: Lurker



the whole situation is so surreal. it's like a book by tom
clancy, except it's fucking real. we are witnessing an
unpredictable shitstorm THREE days into the war. what will
it look like in, say, six months? scary stuff.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-26 23:07 [#02616811]
Points: 31039 Status: Lurker



anyone want to DDOS the ruskies for the war effort?

LAZY_TITLE


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-26 23:12 [#02616812]
Points: 31039 Status: Lurker | Followup to Advocate: #02616810



The way things are going the Russians are going to have to
sue for peace cos their economy is getting shafted, but
thats just my idle guess


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2022-02-27 10:12 [#02616813]
Points: 6123 Status: Lurker



https://b-ok.cc/book/465996/f0ac22

"The Rise and Decline of the State

The state, which since the middle of the seventeenth century
has been the most important of all modern institutions, is
in decline. From Western Europe to Africa, many existing
states are either combining into larger communities or
falling apart. Many of their functions are likely to be
taken over by a variety of organizations that, whatever
their precise nature, are not states. In this unique volume
Martin van Creveld traces the story of the state from its
beginnings to its end. Starting with the simplest political
organizations that ever existed, he guides the reader
through the origins of the state, its development, its
apotheosis during the two World Wars, and its spread from
its original home in Western Europe to cover the globe. In
doing so, he provides a fascinating history of government
from its origins to the present day. This original book will
of interest to historians, political scientists and
sociologists."

if you can't be arsed to read this, i dont blame you, it's
rude to shove a book in someone's face and say 'read this'.
but chapter 6 is of particular interest 'the decline of the
state'.


 

offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2022-02-27 11:26 [#02616814]
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tempting


 

offline Roger Wilco from Mo's Beans on 2022-02-27 18:14 [#02616815]
Points: 1999 Status: Lurker | Followup to Hyperflake: #02616804



I'll be honest, I would like a sex throne. I wouldn't
obliquely threaten nuclear war for it, but I'd be prepared
to knock a few heads together.


 

offline Roger Wilco from Mo's Beans on 2022-02-27 18:19 [#02616816]
Points: 1999 Status: Lurker



I bet Putin is having amazing sex right now. Jizzing like
nobody's business.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-27 18:28 [#02616817]
Points: 31039 Status: Lurker | Followup to Roger Wilco: #02616816



LAZY_TITLE


 

offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2022-02-28 07:39 [#02616819]
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whoops!


 

offline Roger Wilco from Mo's Beans on 2022-02-28 18:19 [#02616820]
Points: 1999 Status: Lurker



Putin has blocked access to Xltronic


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-28 18:41 [#02616821]
Points: 31039 Status: Lurker | Followup to Roger Wilco: #02616820



Its made hearing people on the UN stream going on about
nuclear war, what a incredibly fucking cunt Putin is for
threatening us all like that.


 

offline Advocate on 2022-02-28 20:53 [#02616822]
Points: 3319 Status: Lurker



at first i thought putin's comments about "denazification"
of ukraine were the ramblings of a man not in touch with
reality. HOWEVER, thinking about it, there's probably no
other word in the russian language that triggers nationalism
and unity in the people like "nazi". it's calculated
propaganda, he knows it.


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2022-02-28 22:09 [#02616823]
Points: 3647 Status: Regular



Commentary: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem (Reuters)

How Many Neo-Nazis Is the U.S. Backing in Ukraine? (Daily Beast)


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2022-02-28 22:10 [#02616824]
Points: 3647 Status: Regular



For a good time, google Stepan Bandera!



 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-28 22:14 [#02616825]
Points: 31039 Status: Lurker | Followup to Tony Danza: #02616823



I know they are has to be nuance to any debate, are the
representative of the mainstream body political in Ukraine
or what? and don't all countries have these cretins in?


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2022-02-28 22:20 [#02616826]
Points: 3647 Status: Regular | Followup to Hyperflake: #02616825



Ukraine's national hero Stepan Bandera was a Nazi collaborator


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2022-02-28 22:25 [#02616827]
Points: 3647 Status: Regular



When Zelensky was elected he was unable to implement the
Minsk protocols (ending attacks on majority Russian Donetsk
and Luhansk) because of far-right opposition

Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine

Today, increasing reports of far-right violence,
ultranationalism, and erosion of basic freedoms are giving
the lie to the West’s initial euphoria. There are neo-Nazi
pogroms against the Roma, rampant attacks on feminists and
LGBT groups, book bans, and state-sponsored glorification of
Nazi collaborators.

These stories of Ukraine’s dark nationalism aren’t
coming out of Moscow; they’re being filed by Western
media, including US-funded Radio Free Europe (RFE); Jewish
organizations such as the World Jewish Congress and the
Simon Wiesenthal Center; and watchdogs like Amnesty
International, Human Rights Watch, and Freedom House, which
issued a joint report warning that Kiev is losing the
monopoly on the use of force in the country as far-right
gangs operate with impunity.



 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2022-02-28 22:31 [#02616828]
Points: 3647 Status: Regular | Followup to Tony Danza: #02616827



that last article in The Nation is chock full of information
on how thoroughly Nazi ideology and actors have infiltrated
Ukraine's power structure


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-28 22:34 [#02616829]
Points: 31039 Status: Lurker



Well they will have to clear up their act before they are
allowed into the EU. I'd still like to think this is a
minority viewpoint within Ukraine

More importantly Fleet do you think this justifies the
invasion in anyway?



 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-28 22:35 [#02616830]
Points: 31039 Status: Lurker | Followup to Tony Danza: #02616828



russia is full of far right fucking idiots as well,
Eastern Europe has always had a massive prob with Neo Nazis



 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-28 22:43 [#02616831]
Points: 31039 Status: Lurker



Ive read the article, Putin might have a point there are a
lot of fascists in Ukraine, but i have to say I don't think
a full scale military invasion/war and indiscriminately
bombing the shit out of civilians is the solution to the
problem.



 

offline Advocate on 2022-02-28 22:50 [#02616832]
Points: 3319 Status: Lurker | Followup to Tony Danza: #02616823



the reuters article was interesting, thanks. the growth of
these groups must probably be seen in connection with a
fundamentally corrupt and incompetent state/politicians
(ukraine is often considered the most corrupt country in
europe). the power vacuum has probably allowed these types
of groups to flourish. i noticed most of the articles you
linked were a couple of years old. i wonder if zelenskyy
have/had any plans to confront and dismantle these groups?


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-28 22:51 [#02616833]
Points: 31039 Status: Lurker



What I mean is tell us what you really think? you seem to be
euphemistically making excuses for Putin's behaviour, or am
I wrong? if I am I apologise

I don't think there is anyone one this board who wouldn't
want these nazi scum wiped from the face of the earth. Well
maybe a few people but they don't post on here anymore


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-28 22:52 [#02616834]
Points: 31039 Status: Lurker | Followup to Hyperflake: #02616833



that was a reply to Fleet by the way


 

offline Advocate on 2022-02-28 23:31 [#02616835]
Points: 3319 Status: Lurker



my feeling isnt that danza is siding with or excusing putin,
but only trying to offer a different perspective that some
russians have. either way, the neo nazi problem alone didn't
cause this war. i dont know enough about the historical
relations between russia and ukraine, but I've picked up
that it's... fucking complex. this is enough to
make my head spin. crazy shit.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-02-28 23:55 [#02616836]
Points: 31039 Status: Lurker | Followup to Advocate: #02616835



Yeah You're probably right, I just wish I'd see him
criticising Putin a bit, for the evil, kleptomaniac murderer
than he so obviously is.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-03-01 00:16 [#02616837]
Points: 31039 Status: Lurker



Putin's view


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2022-03-01 00:19 [#02616838]
Points: 3647 Status: Regular



So here's Canada's finance minister holding a Ukrainian fascist banner

Her grandad was a Nazi collaborator.

Here's what staunch NATO cheerleder FP has to say about the UAN:

During the war, these groups killed tens of thousands of
Jews and carried out a brutal campaign of ethnic cleansing
that killed as many as 100,000 Poles. Created in 1929 to
free Ukraine from Soviet control, the OUN embraced the
notion of an ethnically pure Ukrainian nation. When the
Nazis invaded the Soviet Union in 1941, the OUN and its
charismatic leader, Stepan Bandera, welcomed the invasion as
a step toward Ukrainian independence. Its members carried
out a pogrom in Lviv that killed 5,000 Jews, and OUN
militias played a major role in violence against the Jewish
population in western Ukraine that claimed the lives of up
to 35,000 Jews.



 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2022-03-01 00:24 [#02616839]
Points: 3647 Status: Regular | Followup to Hyperflake: #02616837



Dude the Atlantic council is just about the most biased
source you could cite. It's basically half of NATO's brain,
the RAND corporation being the other half.

They even tell you what to think about Putin's essay by
using words like "grim" and "ominous".


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-03-01 00:25 [#02616840]
Points: 31039 Status: Lurker | Followup to Tony Danza: #02616838



Fleet do you have Russian ancestry or something? full
disclosure

I can't argue with the stuff about Ukrainian fascists,


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-03-01 00:26 [#02616841]
Points: 31039 Status: Lurker | Followup to Tony Danza: #02616839



LAZY_TITLE

what about harvard?


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2022-03-01 00:29 [#02616842]
Points: 3647 Status: Regular | Followup to Hyperflake: #02616836



Stop thinking about this as a wrestling match with clearly
delineated good guys and bad guys.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-03-01 00:32 [#02616843]
Points: 31039 Status: Lurker | Followup to Tony Danza: #02616842



I'm not, I'd suggest the current scourge of mechanised
warfare is probably a bit worse than some cosplaying
fascists in the short term at least.


 

offline Advocate on 2022-03-01 00:33 [#02616844]
Points: 3319 Status: Lurker



yeah, im leaving this thread now. biased atlantic article?
wtf has that got to do with anything? everyone can read the
outragous putin essay in english on the official kremlin
site (but its ddos'ed to death atm). bye bye all armchair
experts.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-03-01 00:33 [#02616845]
Points: 31039 Status: Lurker



Maybe it is a very serious concern for the future of Europe
I don't know but its not really relevant at the moment I
don't think when the whole future of Eastern and Western
Europe is at stake


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-03-01 00:33 [#02616846]
Points: 31039 Status: Lurker | Followup to Advocate: #02616844



yeah was just reading that on archive.org now


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2022-03-01 00:34 [#02616847]
Points: 3647 Status: Regular | Followup to Hyperflake: #02616840



I just think the evil russians good ukrainians narrative
needs some pushback. It's complicated and people are waving
Ukrainian flags like it's a sport and they're fans. It's
reminding me of 2003 and it's scaring me. STOP SCARING ME
HYPERFLAKE


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-03-01 00:34 [#02616848]
Points: 31039 Status: Lurker



LAZY_TITLE


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-03-01 00:36 [#02616849]
Points: 31039 Status: Lurker | Followup to Tony Danza: #02616847



Well I can say without fear of contradiction i was totally
opposed to the invasion of Iraq


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-03-01 00:37 [#02616850]
Points: 31039 Status: Lurker



the 45 minute strike time, sexed up dossier, he had semi
functioning scud missiles that might blow up a camel once in
a while. Don't get me wrong I don't want to go to war with
Russia far from it


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-03-01 00:41 [#02616851]
Points: 31039 Status: Lurker | Followup to Tony Danza: #02616847



ok I'm glad you said that I just thought you were being a
contrarian who enjoyed the smell of their own farts for the
sake of it for a moment.


 


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