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Wow, , something so evil that there's even a Russian word for it, which makes it Double Evil. |
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Umbro is so upset with me that he's learned to make HTML links! |
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yeah right, it's just a pretty old and dumb strategy. putin is so last century, yawn. not cool I'll go order my blow up panzer on amazon now putin plays these games since kgb times, while wanting to be seen as a true warrior. he a lil wacko |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE6rSljTwdU understanding the russian mindset, video from 2014 |
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As others have speculated he quite probably has some sort of health issue that his driving him to rash decisions. Total speculation of course, but he doesn't look in rude health to me. |
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this is better for understanding of recent actions |
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going to create a bit of a power vacuum when he goes? who will replace him I wonder |
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Me? |
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you would have a throne made out of nubile young naked women wouldn't you, like a sex throne! |
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the whole situation is so surreal. it's like a book by tom clancy, except it's fucking real. we are witnessing an unpredictable shitstorm THREE days into the war. what will it look like in, say, six months? scary stuff. |
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anyone want to DDOS the ruskies for the war effort? |
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The way things are going the Russians are going to have to sue for peace cos their economy is getting shafted, but thats just my idle guess |
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https://b-ok.cc/book/465996/f0ac22 "The Rise and Decline of the State The state, which since the middle of the seventeenth century has been the most important of all modern institutions, is in decline. From Western Europe to Africa, many existing states are either combining into larger communities or falling apart. Many of their functions are likely to be taken over by a variety of organizations that, whatever their precise nature, are not states. In this unique volume Martin van Creveld traces the story of the state from its beginnings to its end. Starting with the simplest political organizations that ever existed, he guides the reader through the origins of the state, its development, its apotheosis during the two World Wars, and its spread from its original home in Western Europe to cover the globe. In doing so, he provides a fascinating history of government from its origins to the present day. This original book will of interest to historians, political scientists and sociologists." if you can't be arsed to read this, i dont blame you, it's rude to shove a book in someone's face and say 'read this'. but chapter 6 is of particular interest 'the decline of the state'. |
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tempting |
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I'll be honest, I would like a sex throne. I wouldn't obliquely threaten nuclear war for it, but I'd be prepared to knock a few heads together. |
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I bet Putin is having amazing sex right now. Jizzing like nobody's business. |
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whoops! |
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Putin has blocked access to Xltronic |
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Its made hearing people on the UN stream going on about nuclear war, what a incredibly fucking cunt Putin is for threatening us all like that. |
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at first i thought putin's comments about "denazification" of ukraine were the ramblings of a man not in touch with reality. HOWEVER, thinking about it, there's probably no other word in the russian language that triggers nationalism and unity in the people like "nazi". it's calculated propaganda, he knows it. |
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(Reuters) (Daily Beast) |
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For a good time, google Stepan Bandera! |
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I know they are has to be nuance to any debate, are the representative of the mainstream body political in Ukraine or what? and don't all countries have these cretins in? |
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Ukraine's national hero Stepan Bandera was a |
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When Zelensky was elected he was unable to implement the Minsk protocols (ending attacks on majority Russian Donetsk and Luhansk) because of far-right opposition Today, increasing reports of far-right violence, ultranationalism, and erosion of basic freedoms are giving the lie to the West’s initial euphoria. There are neo-Nazi pogroms against the Roma, rampant attacks on feminists and LGBT groups, book bans, and state-sponsored glorification of Nazi collaborators. These stories of Ukraine’s dark nationalism aren’t coming out of Moscow; they’re being filed by Western media, including US-funded Radio Free Europe (RFE); Jewish organizations such as the World Jewish Congress and the Simon Wiesenthal Center; and watchdogs like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and Freedom House, which issued a joint report warning that Kiev is losing the monopoly on the use of force in the country as far-right gangs operate with impunity. |
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that last article in The Nation is chock full of information on how thoroughly Nazi ideology and actors have infiltrated Ukraine's power structure |
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Well they will have to clear up their act before they are allowed into the EU. I'd still like to think this is a minority viewpoint within Ukraine More importantly Fleet do you think this justifies the invasion in anyway? |
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is full of far right fucking idiots as well, Eastern Europe has always had a massive prob with Neo Nazis |
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Ive read the article, Putin might have a point there are a lot of fascists in Ukraine, but i have to say I don't think a full scale military invasion/war and indiscriminately bombing the shit out of civilians is the solution to the problem. |
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the reuters article was interesting, thanks. the growth of these groups must probably be seen in connection with a fundamentally corrupt and incompetent state/politicians (ukraine is often considered the most corrupt country in europe). the power vacuum has probably allowed these types of groups to flourish. i noticed most of the articles you linked were a couple of years old. i wonder if zelenskyy have/had any plans to confront and dismantle these groups? |
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What I mean is tell us what you really think? you seem to be euphemistically making excuses for Putin's behaviour, or am I wrong? if I am I apologise I don't think there is anyone one this board who wouldn't want these nazi scum wiped from the face of the earth. Well maybe a few people but they don't post on here anymore |
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that was a reply to Fleet by the way |
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my feeling isnt that danza is siding with or excusing putin, but only trying to offer a different perspective that some russians have. either way, the neo nazi problem alone didn't cause this war. i dont know enough about the historical relations between russia and ukraine, but I've picked up that it's... fucking complex. is enough to make my head spin. crazy shit. |
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Yeah You're probably right, I just wish I'd see him criticising Putin a bit, for the evil, kleptomaniac murderer than he so obviously is. |
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So here's Canada's finance minister Here's what staunch NATO cheerleder FP During the war, these groups killed tens of thousands of Jews and carried out a brutal campaign of ethnic cleansing that killed as many as 100,000 Poles. Created in 1929 to free Ukraine from Soviet control, the OUN embraced the notion of an ethnically pure Ukrainian nation. When the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union in 1941, the OUN and its charismatic leader, Stepan Bandera, welcomed the invasion as a step toward Ukrainian independence. Its members carried out a pogrom in Lviv that killed 5,000 Jews, and OUN militias played a major role in violence against the Jewish population in western Ukraine that claimed the lives of up to 35,000 Jews. |
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Dude the Atlantic council is just about the most biased source you could cite. It's basically half of NATO's brain, the RAND corporation being the other half. They even tell you what to think about Putin's essay by using words like "grim" and "ominous". |
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Fleet do you have Russian ancestry or something? full disclosure I can't argue with the stuff about Ukrainian fascists, |
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what about harvard? |
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Stop thinking about this as a wrestling match with clearly delineated good guys and bad guys. |
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I'm not, I'd suggest the current scourge of mechanised warfare is probably a bit worse than some cosplaying fascists in the short term at least. |
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yeah, im leaving this thread now. biased atlantic article? wtf has that got to do with anything? everyone can read the outragous putin essay in english on the official kremlin site (but its ddos'ed to death atm). bye bye all armchair experts. |
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Maybe it is a very serious concern for the future of Europe I don't know but its not really relevant at the moment I don't think when the whole future of Eastern and Western Europe is at stake |
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yeah was just reading that on archive.org now |
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I just think the evil russians good ukrainians narrative needs some pushback. It's complicated and people are waving Ukrainian flags like it's a sport and they're fans. It's reminding me of 2003 and it's scaring me. STOP SCARING ME HYPERFLAKE |
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Well I can say without fear of contradiction i was totally opposed to the invasion of Iraq |
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the 45 minute strike time, sexed up dossier, he had semi functioning scud missiles that might blow up a camel once in a while. Don't get me wrong I don't want to go to war with Russia far from it |
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ok I'm glad you said that I just thought you were being a contrarian who enjoyed the smell of their own farts for the sake of it for a moment. |
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