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then go "child's play up" something as masterfully sequenced as drukQs or Draft and go live in a bank. Yeah, that's what I thought. What did you think? You didn't hear my response to your challenge. Plus, my real music is much better than you think it'd be from not listening to any of it. But anyway, that was more a philosophical rambling than a criticism of anyone. Think of any great electronic artist-- they've pushed their minds, hearts, and tools to their near-limits within the music-creation medium, so the challenges for them- if they are to accept any- cannot rely on the tools that are so familiar. So replacing a computer's dexterity with one's manual dexterity, is about as far as one can push themselves. Regular performance at an advanced level becomes monotony, nonetheless. |
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Perhaps I worded my response too harshly. I do maintain a firm objection to your claim that everything other than live electronic music is child's play. Skill (in this case translation from a musicians idea to my ears) is still very much a factor in everything you listen to. But if it's the central factor over the composition itself, you might as well listen with the sound off and just watch their fingers move. That's what I do but in reverse; take the musician out of the picture entirely and focus on the composition. It comes down to one's own particular set of subjective values. I'm sure there is something there in electronic music for those who value skill over composition. I can't relate to this personally on any level, however. |
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Yah, I also believe that compositions have their own merit, but taking the musician out of the picture is also quite an abstract thought~!; to separate the ends from the means, especially considering that intention and concept are huge parts of art creation. So to take-in the end result as something separate from the artist, is to actually disregard the artist. Which is weird cuz the result is artist-dependent! Whoooa, dyuUuUuude.... |
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With Bach: we can enjoy his compositions, but we cannot enjoy his musicianship, as we cannot hear his expression. With electronic music, we can enjoy the compositions- and the intention of expression is pretty direct as they record their own shit- but we cannot enjoy their physicality. ...Or with squarepusher, we can. Pop artists are balanced in the reverse sense, where we enjoy their physicality and rarely their personal musicality. The reason why I brought up the whole thing, is that when it comes "electronic music" it's becoming pretty apparent that many "big artists" have already said what they needed to say- most efficiently- with past releases. They cannot grow, because they have nothing left to push (except physicality). |
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Not really that abstract. I've heard a lot of tunes that I had no idea who the creator was.. Not even his name. I know what the ae guys look like and I've read interviews, but I don't KNOW them so it's already easy then to separate. |
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Well there's an always an abstraction involved in letting a peice of art "take over," I guess. Like when I watch a movie, I tend not to think so much about the directing and editing choices, but rather let the expierence wash over me (this only happens when something was really made with great skill). Autechre's music is a perfect example of this, because within the composition there are... difficult to describe-- lifelike elements? A snare, for instance, can seem to take on a mind of it's own and make's it's own decisions. I tend to sit there and watch the sounds themselves unfold in my minds eye. It's as if the sounds are alive and move independantly of the creator. So visualizing Sean or Rob (or the director of a movie) working their craft could in a way cheapens that expierence. Which is why they play with the lights out. This is all very subjective territory, I admit. Apologies for being a bit snippy after reading your initial post on the subject. |
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How many ounces in a large? |
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Yah, no probz!!! And while it is possible to enjoy creations without taking into consideration the creators... for me anyway, it is the whole of the experience that makes the whole shebang amazing. Imagine in two hypothetical instances, listening to THE EXACT SAME COMPOSITION. In one hypothetical instance, it is learnt that the composition was made as part of a math-music thesis for university. In the other hypothetical instance, it is learnt that the composition was completed in one evening, after the composer was told by his mother on her death bed, to "try his best (in life)", so he ran home after visiting hours and recorded his best effort, to share it with his mother before she passed. He never composed after that piece. In both instances, the musical composition is the same, but to sincerely be able to feel no difference between the two- and to intentionally experience art in such an abstract manner- is to miss out on a world of beauty. |
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That being said, if tomorrow, documents are uncovered that prove Bach's wild child murdering sprees, we might all have to separate his personality from his music. (Or be newly frightened when listening to his music and pondering his actual intentions...) |
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yeah I guess i'm pretty far gone in the "abstract" direction, because I don't think I would perceive the tune any differently were it a computer generated algorithm or a death-bed tune for one's mum. My mental visualization process is just too automatic in turning abstract sounds into specific (and constant) shapes without a human element. It's probably for that same reason that I am much less stimulated by music with vocals. I don't automatically visualize anything textural for a voice, rather I just "see" the person signing. Not quite as interesting. |
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but that said I love the way I perceive music and would never change it for anything, which i'm sure goes for you as well ;) |
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I like it a lot so far! Love the straightforwardness of Autechre-Move_Of_Ten-03-pce_freeze_28i and the intricate Autechre-Move_Of_Ten-01-Etchogon-S |
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Wolfslice is Kraftwerk incarnate. |
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It would be more of a failure if you stopped reading it all the time, weirdo |
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lol the internet, and all the wrong opinions inside of it, is funny |
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That's because it's humour. Like Barcock said. |
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yeah. you have 128 points, i have 7605. |
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girls, move of ten is out on bleep. start acting like it. |
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Sorry. I didn't mean to be a wankshot |
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its pretty solid. but this and oversteps is very strange. you cant go around saying its anything like stuff you hear around. its pretty fresh. i like this direction, but at the same time im hoping that they dont overdo this sound. next release is going to have to be pretty different |
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ill enjoy oversteps more in context after listening to ten a few more times. shit takes time to sink in like any good release. nth got looped until the wee hours last night |
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this actually turned out to be quite exciting. rew(1) is absolutely fantastic. i love that la-style hip-hop beat that so many artists do lately. they turned it into something really exciting. y7 must be my second favourite. in the preview the resonance on that squelch wasn't so turned up. after like 3 minutes or so it becomes an absolute eargasm. still pce freeze sounds like a really awful joke. the beat sounds like made in drumatic vst (which it probably is) and the whole track sounds uninspired and simply bad. still really nice stuff. |
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oh, i'm the one being a wanker. not you. |
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autechre have a skill of reinventing themselves, but they always kept true to their hophop root. you can hear it in this latest album ... it sort of reminds me of some El-P intrumentals If you ask me they got better over the years, you can hear the sound getting more technical and creative over the years. maybe people are looking for more emotive music from them, but i like this stuff... btw it's not just a brand name, they have something special others do not have, but i am open to any new artists. signed or unsigned like ampi max or what ever |
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sadist, that's what i was going on earlier about y7. on lossless the acid squelch and high-freq stuff is great! even better than traele! |
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i got the mp3 so i probably have like 40 % less squelch. i'm afraid launching the lossless one. |
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HA! |
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yo guys, have you ever done a blind test… try this: drop a track (y7) into your fav DAW, put on one track a lossy mp3 and on another track the super shiny 24-bit wav, and align them. maybe this is different from DAW to DAW, but set it up so that you can effectively switch between tracks by pushing a single button. i.e. mute one track and solo the other, or something. close your eyes and mash the button randomly until you don't know which track is currently playing. Then listen. listen hard. |
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what's your point |
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that you probably can't make out a difference between a vbr-v0 mp3 and the wav file. i know i thought i could, when in fact i can't. if i was a betting man, i would actually bet that you can't identify the higher quality file if the lossy file is of reasonable quality (320 cbr mp3 will most definitely do). |
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you probably have more fundamental issues regarding your setup than worrying about source bitrates. |
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this is actually directed at elusive. |
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do it bro. |
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but make sure to de-resojimble your monster cables. you might miss out on something. |
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i will identify the wav/lossless file everytime. of course it depends highly on the source material. mp3 is cutting the highest and lowest frequencies, so you can't expect tracks with mostly mids to sound a lot better. i hate those comparisons of the codecs using classical or some jazz material which is pretty pointless. you should try something from raster-noton. some alva noto stuff or ryoji ikeda. maybe frank bretschneider. the difference is DISASTROUS as their music has mostly no mid at all and a lot of subbass and high frequency blips. that squelch in y7 - this is what flac was made for. it is another fuckin track. but that's in case you don't have a pair of 10 bucks logitech speakers connected to a soundblaster16. |
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i just discovered it sounds better on the shitty speakers of my mums pc... |
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cables are the absolute last thing important in an audio setup and it's a common misconception that they have any inpiut on the sound. |
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lol Another 'audiophile' argument. |
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you know that you will, or have you actually tried..? this isn't clear from your post. if you haven't, please properly test yourself. There will be cake. the stuff you're pointing out is the reason i believed in lossless files as well, and actually the high frequencies usually get my full attention. cake > lossless files. |
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the [lossless files] is a lie! |
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i have tried plenty of times with raster-noton stuff as well as autechre. there is a clear quality difference. |
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the cake is a pie |
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don't tell me that the superiority of wav/lossless is bogus for you ? |
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…and did you do it properly proper, i.e. double blind? the method i've described above is actually flawed, you would need to make the switch a dud 50% of the time. Cause the whole point is, wishful thinking is actually stronger than 18kHz frequencies. |
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There is definitely a clear distinction of sound quality if you're gonna namedrop raster noton. Then again, I've lost so much hearing over the years that I'll just be listening to mp3s of it and I'll have people holding their heads telling me to please turn it off. |
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exactly. |
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Lossless has always sounded a little rounder and warmer to me. I will not be able to make out the difference in a blind test most likely, but that's the way I hear it. |
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i'm just a few minutes in but i already see the point of this video. it just seems unclear for me what it has to do with the topic aside being offensive. as i told i know that cables are bogus and a lot of audiophile stuff is. i also know that measuring a lot of stuff that i'm convinced off would actually prove me wrong a few times. that just doesn't change the fact that compressed sound sounds worse. and you are a dick if you tell me you think otherwise. |
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I really don't see why you would get offended, if you don't see it as being relevant, then its not relevant for you. They discuss more than just audio cables though. |
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