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i will definitely watch it to the end it just seems to me you are trying to make a fool out of me. |
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Terence Hill, what is this about monster cables? you think because someone cares about room treatments and acoustics that they buy stupid shit like monster cables? do you have some bent up aggression in your head and you need to make false assumptions about others in order to justify your attacks? go rub it out |
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No, not trying to make a fool out of anyone. |
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he explains how to properly do double blind tests. Also there's tests he prepared for you at his website. do it, be prepared to shit bricks. |
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lol Duder, you said that i'm having fundamental gear issues. I'm just making fun of "lossless acid squelches are better than mp3 acid squelches", because it's wrong. |
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that't the whole point - it isn't. it's true that low-end audio cables acid squelch vs monster-cable acid squelch is bullshit. but not compressed vs not compressed ones. it's like saying that a bmp is the same as a jpg. |
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Taxidermist , funny you should post that video. ethan wiener is the guy that does all the room treatment/acoustic shit on all the links/papers i've been referencing to on this forum. ironic much? bandwidth and disk space is cheap. absolutely no reason you should be subjecting yourself to anything but lossless files - at least for archiving. you can always dump to mp3 or convert to any other format for your hand held player some other time. just because you can't hear the difference in small sections between lossless and 320k doesn't mean there aren't differences in other parts of the song - or that you should even have to CONSIDER whether there are artifacts vs the original recording. i listen to lossless. i dont have to worry in the back of my head if that little blip i heard was an artifact or if it was part of the recording. one less thing my brain/conscience forces myself to think about when listening to music. how the fuck you guys go off on tangents discussing audio cables is beyond me. terence hill basically takes on some sort of jealously or other weird unidentified emotion and suddenly needs to lash out irrationally and go off on a tangent pretending that those who like lossless files are automatically audiophiles and automatically spend thousands of dollars on such trivial drivel as speaker cables. clearly, terence... you aren't publishing many scientific papers in your career with that sort of assumptive attitude. |
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terence, i didn't say you had fundamental "gear" issues. i said "setup" issues. which could be your room characteristics or speaker response. there's lots of variables you probably aren't taking into consideration regarding your ABX testing. or, if headphones, there's almost even more variables to worry about...hell, all the room treatment shit is cakewalk for me...even people anal about minor things...but as soon as i step foot into a headphone forum, im like "holy shit - these guys are nuts!" |
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terence, instead of you not knowing every in/out of the song and how it's supposed to sound (since you didnt design/create it) ... why dont you take it from the experts (the people who made the track) and see what their take is. they, more than anyone, should know how it "should" sound ... and therefore their opinion on whether lossless vs lossy holds any water when applied to their music/sound. i hear shit in autechre and i dont know if it's supposed to sound like that or not .. so i cant give a clear definition on whether it sounds better lossless or not. ... am i communicating that thought clearly? bit difficult to describe. |
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The way I see it; do what you like so long as you don't criticize others when they do what they like. Thats all I got to say about that. |
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the beautiful thing about the hydrogen audio forum is that there is a religious rule that any claim made about sound quality has to be backed up by an ABX test output. Eat your haert out: |
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right on - tax. i dont know why terence had to go off on a tangent somehow relating lossless audio files with speaker cable nonsense. it is funny how everyone rips on room treatment, then post a video by the very guy who is one of the most well known for room treatments.... lol |
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absolutely no reason you should be subjecting yourself to anything but lossless files |
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princess and the pea |
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lol man. that speaker cable post was an attempt at humor, you sock. i'm sorry if that wasn't clear. i'm sorry that i called you a sock just now. i still don't think you could reliably identify a 24-bit wav file of y7 over a 320kbps mp3 file doing proper ABX, on your setup, in your room. |
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It's funny that y7 seems to be such a big topic for discussion and quality. The track fucking sucks. |
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i agree. i may and i may not. and it may take so much conscience attention to actually hear the differences that im technically no longer listening to the music as i should be. which defeats the purpose. no sense in leaving it up to chance. id rather have everything as close as possible to the original recording/as the artist intended. so what is your reasoning for *not* owning lossless? 320k are fairly large in themselves...why not just go the extra step with lossless? what are you losing by ripping your music lossless vs mp3? where is the disadvantage? also with the lossless, you can convert to any other format at a future time based on design requirements (e.g. 256k mp3 for your ipod). disk space is dirt cheap (1TB for $50) and bandwidth is equally cheap. and i still stand by sadist - let's do some ABX with r.ikeda and watch mp3 fall. this acceptance of mediocrity / half-assing it is descriptive of the world around me on a plethora of other topics. |
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it honestly doesn't make any fucking sense. why argue about it? why would you not want to eliminate every possible variable out of the equation that could have an influence on quality? it doesn't matter if i can't tell a difference in this track or this section of a song (320 vs flac) ... there is audio data loss there PERIOD. why not completely eliminate it from the equation so you dont even have to wonder whether you are experiencing compression-quality-loss or not? fuck. where i come from, we take out the low-hanging fruit first. using lossless instead of compressed audio files is effortless. where is the disadvantage? hey - why not run lower res video files as well. "but your chair is 10ft away from the tv ! so you cant see the pixelation anyways! what's the point in running high res video when you sit so far away ?!" fucking mediocrity |
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i have lossless files. for pretty much the reasons you are pointing out. It's becoming more and more feasible to encode lossless with increasing storage capacities nowadays for archiving etc etc. yet lossy compression certainly makes sense in practical applications, i.e. i want my files to transfer quick rather than wait ten times as long, especially when i won't even be able to notice a difference. compression tech is pretty good nowadays innit, you can instantly watch youtube videos that blow our grandparents' DVDs out of the water bla blah. i didn't mean to start a huge argument over this. i regret having posted the initial post that started all this shit. |
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My entire music collection is 700 GB, and I can back that up once with my storage. If I had all those mp3's in flac, it would take between 2-3 TB, and if I wanted to have a safe backup I would need a total of 6 TB JUST for music. Personally, I have all my movies in xvid, all music in mp3, etc.. I can have far more and the quality isn't bad enough for me to make a deal out of it. |
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so doing ABX tests is irrelevant in this scope. as is the rest of the discussion/argument. the benefit of having lossless files is made well apparent .. even if you may not be able to tell the audio quality difference between that and a 320k mp3..other factors are present which have equal weight in the decision process. "i want my files to transfer quick rather than wait ten times as long, especially when i won't even be able to notice a difference. " 320k <--> flac file size delta is not a factor of ten ... |
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good for you, cx. you have design constraints and mp3 satisfies your requirements. my favorite music i like to have lossless my favorite movies, i like to have as high-res/uncompressed as possible. i know it was an assumption, but i dont think anyone was claiming all of the music should be lossless - i think we're all on the same page here talking about music that is dear to us ... our favorite albums, songs, etc ... |
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"If I had all those mp3's in flac, it would take between 2-3 TB, and if I wanted to have a safe backup I would need a total of 6 TB JUST for music. " maybe you hoard too much music and need spring cleaning with stuff you dont find yourself listening to :P |
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Well I won't lie.. I do have a few movies in blu-ray quality, and I have some stuff in FLAC, but on the whole I decided that I would go for V0 rips in MP3 and xvid for movies.. Also, I have been collecting MP3 since the 90s, and have copied from HDD to HDD ever since then to keep the collection safe.. I have discographies of every artist I like, which is a good 500TB on its own, but also random albums and things and all of these mean something to me. I may not listen to them everyday, but I am a collector at heart and all these albums mean something to me. |
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500GB rather |
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if you're walking in the street with an mp3 player and little earphones, mp3 is fine at home on a decent sound system, you wan't to here the music without any 3rd party compression. same as if you make me a coffee i want full cream mother fucker |
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so, ehm, yeah rew1 is the shit. |
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oversteps gets better after mot that, or the time factor is making oversteps better. ilanders is still an unstoppable monster, though. |
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NERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDSSSSSS |
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I feel your frustration man.. All these fucking people CARING ABOUT THINGS and DISCUSSING THINGS, ahh FUCK THEM! Why don't they all realize all this is shit and nothing is worth anything! |
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THANKS FOR GAYING UP THE THREAD GUYS |
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Meanwhile, Sean and Rob are wondering what people think of Move of Ten. |
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AUDIO TECHNOLOGY RESEARCH |
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but you have such dreadful taste, how can i ever take you seriously? |
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anyway, back to the topic of discussion , is it just me or can i hear allot of the samples used in their current live set? |
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Day 2: Cep puiqMX keeps me coming back the most. Can't seem to get into rew(1) or Iris was a pupil. pce freeze gets pretty boring after maybe the 10th (non consecutive) listen. nth dafuseder sounds better today. I'd probably like Ethogon better without the "melody." Violent beat makes up for it though. |
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If we just passed a joint around in this thread, all the posts would be smiles and chillaxin'. . . Someone e-mail me when internet-weed goes live. |
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Maybe for you. Some people suffer from anxiety when they smoke weed. |
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my taste is the best in the world. |
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Elusive, if I may, I'd like to draw your attention to a song of great interest to me and, hopefully!, you. I'm talking bout "Be My Baby," of course; and though it has nothing to do with your little argument, I think you'll find it to be one hell of a great tune. Just erase all the ads and movies you've heard it in, then.. Boom, bom-boom, clap! Boom, bom-boom, clap! |
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And then "Then He Kissed Me" comes on. I say I just can't get enough! |
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"Some people suffer from anxiety when they smoke weed." Anxiety and paranoia from weed is mostly a high-THC, sativa-dominant trait. Indica-dominant strains with higher percentages of CBD and CBN take the edge off and are actually anxiety-relieving. |
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Granted, "everyone's different", and there's always that one dude who gets absolutely smashed on 2 beers, etc. But I was definitely referring to chillaxin' couch-lock weed to pass around, not the rushy sativa stuff (which is awesome on a totally different level, though). |
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Or I could just not smoke weed at all. |
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Yah, that's great, too! |
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Move of Ten is mostly fire. Need I say more? No. You've only heard it twice, don't want to make a fool out of yourself. |
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In the immortal words of Big Boi, Etchogon-S make it sound like aluminum cans in the back. y7 is chock full of worms n' nth Dafuseder.b is practically pop music; so easy to enjoy. |
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Maybe iris was studying to become see on see, it wouldn't surprise me one bit. |
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Or maybe it would! |
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this is awesome |
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