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I am an Anthropology student doing a paper on the (abstract) subculture of message boards. While I have not posted on Xltronic before, I have been reading the contents for about year. Please consider responding to some of the following questions, or commenting on any topic you like in relation to the culture of Xltronic. Thank you for your help. 1. IDM is genre that moves electronic music away from the rave scene/ club floor. Does that mean that there is less of a sense of community among its fans? It seems that there is still a strong identity associated with IDM. Do message boards like this one help to foster that connection? 2. How would you typify contributors to this message board? Do you think those with taste in experimental electronic music sometimes share a kind of perspective or mindset that extends beyond music? 3. Many threads on the board do not pertain to music. Do you believe that the topics, which digress as actual conversations do, evidence personal relationships among the contributors? 4. Much has been said and written about the both the anonymity and immediacy of the internet. This board has contributors from around the world. It also allows fans to interact with the musicians they admire through events like the current Autechre remix contest. Do you feel that Xltronic has helped you make contacts you might not have otherwise? 5. How did you find Xltronic and why do you frequent it? How does it compare to other message boards? 6. From observation, it seems that those who have posted frequently or over a long period of time receive more responses to their comments. Can this be interpreted as kind of initiation/socialization process? (I know--this means I should have made some meaningful comments about music before forcing questions on you. I would have if not for deadlines.) |
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this is funny because i'm studying media and we've just had a lecture where we talked about messageboards and their "communities". i'd like to answer all your questions, but is it ok if i could send them via e-mail instead? |
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1) my communication and information is entirely limited to the internet. I heard recommendations for all the albums I like on the internet. 2) messageboards are a kind of addiction. finally the internet has provided a place where dorky people can pretend to be cool. 3) all conversation is based on dominancy and pecking order. Whoever is on top gets the most positive replies. IDM fans are crafty people though, so when one person created software that simulated the behavior of chimps that eat parasites off eachother's back, it was hacked and passed around and now everybody has the same advantage again. 4) despite popular belief, it has been proven that "people" on the internet are not, in fact, real. 5) It's a pretty sucky place. I like the world wrestling federation messageboard better actually, but I still come here because He (this is how we refer to the center god of our religious belief system, phobiazero.) gives us free doughnuts. 6) hmm... if one has a particular quirky characteristic, such as being made of chicken paste, one generally recieves more replies my question is: after reading things I've written for a year, what do you think of me? |
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This is great actually, because I'M studying the anthropological behavior of anthropology students doing papers on the subculture of messageboards. We could really benefit from eachother here. |
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you suck my dick, i'll paint yours... |
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hmm interesting seeing this from a long-term observer's perspective.. i'll do my best to answer your questions. 1) IDM is genre that moves electronic music away from the rave scene/ club floor. Does that mean that there is less of a sense of community among its fans? I think it is quite the opposite, in fact. We are supposedly breaking away from rave/club music but are developing a new independent community, if i'm not mistaken. It seems that there is still a strong identity associated with IDM. Do message boards like this one help to foster that connection? Having common interests like this typically gives us a reason to commune, like a club or such. 2) How would you typify contributors to this message board? It is essentially like a chat room, but we have a greater ability to express ourselves individually. Particular features such as hosting our music or presenting visuals are particular methods in doing so, and discussion is also permitted to allow reviews & opinions of such. Do you think those with taste in experimental electronic music sometimes share a kind of perspective or mindset that extends beyond music? Yes. (cont'd next post) |
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NOBODY ANSWER THIS THREAD ITS EVIL PURE EVIL |
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3) Many threads on the board do not pertain to music. Do you believe that the topics, which digress as actual conversations do, evidence personal relationships among the contributors? I'm not sure if it is necessarily personal, but we feel it as means of extending our relations with one another. 4) Much has been said and written about the both the anonymity and immediacy of the internet. This board has contributors from around the world. It also allows fans to interact with the musicians they admire through events like the current Autechre remix contest. Do you feel that Xltronic has helped you make contacts you might not have otherwise? I personally feel this gives me an opportunity in doing so; yes. (cont'd next post) |
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I've used this board for research too, so I'd best pay something back... 1. "IDM" seems to be quite a rare genre, in terms of people who like it, so maybe that helps provide the community that might be lost from raves/clubs. Yeah the message board does help foster that connection. 2. there's lots of contrasting characters on this messageboard, so a stereotypical "xltronic-er" is hard to describe. Most seem to be open minded though, almost all other characteristics seem to be different between each member. 3. yes, these non-music topics do show people characteristics, and when an arguement comes up (e.g. the war on iraq) you get to know how people think and can usually guess which side of the argument certain people will be on. 4. The messageboard is like a first step to meeting someone new, then you may talk to them on msn, AIM, yahoo... etc or Soulseek. I've made some friends on here, and its interesting to 'meet' people from different countries and cultures. I probably would not have met them otherwise. 5. I found Xltronic, by accident, when it was aphextwin.nu and have posted since. I think its better than most messageboards because of its design, really. Because the simple design allows people to quickly access posts and so people will read more posts and reply to more, as there are no complications between these actions. 6. This is interesting. i guess its because when you know someone has been here a while, you know that they are likely to be popular or listened to, as if they werent then they probably wouldnt have stayed for so long. These members receive more posts because people will check a topic because of their name is in the "created by" column, and so people who know that person are likely to check the topic. Whereas a topic created by someone who is not well known may only be checked if the topic title looks interesting. hope that helped |
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5) How did you find Xltronic and why do you frequent it? How does it compare to other message boards? I find it provides features that would not be otherwise exist at other message boards. However, there are sometimes regulatory disputes when misbehavior arises. For some reason, there are also an alarming ratio of male to female members. Despite these issues, nothing is perfect, and i feel the sponsors are doing their best to provide a convenient environment for its inhabitants. 6) From observation, it seems that those who have posted frequently or over a long period of time receive more responses to their comments. Can this be interpreted as kind of initiation/socialization process? Though I am using economic terms, that sounds like a bit of a post hoc fallacy. It depends chiefly on how interesting or controversial the topic is, in my perspective. I hope you've found my responses meaningful. Good luck on your abstract! |
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I would LOVE to answer these...Good TOPIC.. 1. IDM is genre that moves electronic music away from the rave scene/ club floor. Does that mean that there is less of a sense of community among its fans? Do message boards like this one help to foster that connection? -YES, IDM does not associate with any of thr "rave" culture in my opinion. This does NOT mean there is less of a "community among fans", but only a broader and wider range of fans. This messageboard has a community sense 100% 2. How would you typify contributors to this message board? Do you think those with taste in experimental electronic music sometimes share a kind of perspective or mindset that extends beyond music? I would not say that anyone on this board is any "better or smarter" because of thier tastes in music...I dont use that to judge someones mental capability or capacity. I LOVE everyone here BECAUSE THEY DO LIKE the same music as I though.... 3. Many threads on the board do not pertain to music. Do you believe that the topics, which digress as actual conversations do, evidence personal relationships among the contributors? - Absolutely, weather or not we are discussing music here or not, its 90% of friends just talking laughing and discussing. All in Phobia's cozy little living room called XLT. (cont) |
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( cont) 4. Do you feel that Xltronic has helped you make contacts you might not have otherwise? -NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. My friends I have made here have taught me and opened me up to so many new kinds of music. Also, everyone here is very sharing with anything interesting or pertaining to the topics. 5. How did you find Xltronic and why do you frequent it? How does it compare to other message boards? - I found XLTRONIC ( Aphextwin.nu ) over a year and a half ago when searching for Aphex Twin info on the net. Been hooked since. I DONT compare it to ANY OTHER MB...NO MB could hold a candle to Xltronic. 6. From observation, it seems that those who have posted frequently or over a long period of time receive more responses to their comments. Can this be interpreted as kind of initiation/socialization process? - I dont see any REAL SYSTEM to how you get more replies or dont. I have learned myself its kinda a few factors. What time of day it is, how many are online, WHAT you wanna talk about or bring up...etc. I dont think theres any kind of "initiation" or any HARSH feelings towards newbies or people who DO NOT post often. It ALL about HOW YOU CONDUCT yourself when here. I hope my answers helped in any way possible. I liked your topic. Now that I am reading my responses, they r kinda cheesy and lame sounding...but oh well.. All in all you picked the BEST MB on the net to visit. Hope you stick around... -Cheers!! IL |
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1. where i come from in utah...there isn't much of an electronic music scene. and actually, i've only recently begun to "get into it"...so...hmm. i don't think i can really be of any help here. 2. boy. i dunno. i'm bad at this. 3. oh sure. well...i myself don't really have any friends amongst the throngs of people on xltronic (though i do hope to make a few. most of them seem like really nice people). but that's the case with other boards i've been on, sure. 4. oh shitdamn yes. and it's cool because it immediately throws me into a group of people where we all have SOME kindof common ground: taste in music, in this case. 5. i found xltronic through autechre.nu because i used to go there semi-occasionally to see what was going on. i now come here because i enjoy the music these guys make and hearing their opinions on my own. it's nice. and they don't have to break it easy, either. they don't know who i am at all...they don't HAVE to "be nice". 6. i would agree with that. and it sucks...but...hey. isn't that the way it is "in real life", too? the better you know someone, the more they're gonna pay attention to you...i think. i dunno. |
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haha, w M w, you're hilarious... :) "but I still come here because He (this is how we refer to the center god of our religious belief system, phobiazero.)gives us free doughnuts. " and then... "This is great actually, because I'M studying the anthropological behavior of anthropology students doing papers on the subculture of messageboards. " hilarious! :) |
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6. This point powerfully undermines itself - unless of course you don't get many responses - in which case the data isn't really representative and or conclusive. 3. As much as "actual conversations ... evidence personal relationships" in the real (non-abstract) world. 2. Typify? ... sometimes. although i wouldn't go as far as saying that musical taste determines ones perspective or mindset. I've encountered some very open minded people, perhaps more so than in other places. However, there are certainly people that have different perspectives/mindsets despite similar musical tastes. 4. Most definitely. 1. I don't think IDM is moving away from the dance floor ... just a different take on the dance floor, therefore i don't think this affects IDM's sense of "community" quantitatively in relation to the Rave scene. Re: Messageboard, seeing as a lot of IDM is internet based (ie. downloads, information about releases/gigs, buying/selling etc), perhaps the messageboard does foster this connection to a ceratain degree. However, i think the messageboard aspect of IDM subculture, remains just an aspect. i wouldn't go so far as saying it comprises it. It would possibly be more meaningful looking at xltronic in isolation (or in conjunction with watmm)? 5. via. Aphextwin.nu. source of interesting discussion/procrastination, very good source of new information, re: releases, gigs, & music making etc. |
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everryone else has said prretty much everrything i would. i agrree with them. i have made frriends but not met them. |
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i have made frriends but not met them - is all i have to add |
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1. I dont see the sense in this question sense of comunity in club culture? 2. I have learned so many things here... apart from music... yes 3. yes 4. of course... even though as i am not a music maker it is not my case, but anyway 5. found it searching for drukqs reviews, I still come here more than a year later cos it is a nice place, the best MB in the net and the people is 80% great "friends" 6. it is true... now any thread I open usually has a nice amount of answers, at least all the answers I need if I was asking something, but although I always found the help i needed since the beginning, it is true that i have much more answers now than a year ago |
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1. i think idm is more about music, techno and house are more about clubbing (i wouldnt mind hanging around with people that are into idm though :) ) 2.-music lovers -i'd like to think that 3.not really, its more like chit chat, but i guess if anyone of us met it would be easier to break in 4.yes 5.-i found it when i was checking stuff about aphex twin -because of the cool people -i like it here, because i get to know almost everything about upcoming releases (and the old as well) 6.i dont think so |
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I think its pretty weird that you're doing this in public, on a mb. normally people would be anonymous when answering questionnaires. you should does this via e-mail. |
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im anonymous hehe |
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Thank you so much for the quick responses. For those of you who requested an email address, it's bymadmiracle@hotmail.com. |
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i find this thread interesting. |
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me 2 |
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1: I feel that the rave scene's days are numbered. Many would probably say that it's already gone. The culture has been bastardized and diluted. As the true fans of electronic music begin to age, and staying out until dawn taking drugs becomes less and less of an option, gravitating toward a form of electronic music that is more alien seems natural. Sonically, it provides a greater departure for the escapist who for whatever reason has shied away from the blinking lights and all night binges of the rave scene. Artists working in the genre have learned to capture the stimuli from a rave, beit confusion, bliss, fear, ennui, and channel these emotions into something that can be consumed in the home environment. However, while the genre has a strong identity of isolation the advent of the internet has given IDM's small but rabid following a means of building a communal structure, many times deeper and more dynamic than what exists in the rave scene. The personal computer is the IDM fans weapon of choice, providing the environment to not only discover, research and hear the music, but also create, collaborate and distribute it through a means of networking that goes far beyond the scribbled phone number on the back of an after-party flier. With the internet acting as a backdrop for the IDM culture, from the creators to the fans, you see a broad connection that links and references back and fourth creating a global scene that can evolve and mutate at any given moment and leave no one behind, and take no one out of the comfort of their chairs. So not only do message boards like xltronic.com help foster the connections of fans of experimental electronic music, but they can also act as a catalytic agent in the entire culture itself. Many of the top musicians in the genre are members of the xltronic community; there is no reason to think that they are not reacting either directly, or indirectly to the opinions and events that unfold daily on such forums. When the products of these reactions take the form of art |
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(through composition, graphic design, etc.) and are fed back into the wash, the forum becomes sentient; creating a type of connection between performer and audience that has previously never existed. |
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whoa you guys are starting to scare me now :) 1 no sort of community offline i can say - most of them ('experimental electro heads') are snobs or cant form a proper sentence 2 pretty freaky. its like looking in a mirror sometimes. but no theres all sorts of people on here.. from dopers to professionals 3 now im gettin Real scared 4 well id never spoken to orange dust or rf soberly before.. 5 im an insomniac. well its not that but i dont go to bed until dawn and its real boring. plus ive got a half decent net connection at the mo and i whack ill my stuff online. - xltronics alraght yeah. the colour scheme is easier on my eyes than watmm and the font is nice and small 6 thats all maths :) most of you guys seem real strange.. but i hate to think how rockenjohnny comes across there ive answered it all honestly :) way to spend my 5am |
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1. Because few people I know in the real world (apart from ones I've met from the MB) like IDM, I find places like this the only way of having in depth discussions about it. 2. Yes, I'd say there is an archetype to IDM fans although there are quite a few notable exceptions on this board. 3. Yes, certainly. Many people have drawn the analogy to a chatroom. As Jarworski pointed out a few months ago, (paraphrasing) "Of course people here want to talk about things other than music... they meet up here or on SS and strike up friendships" 4. Certainly. I can't think of anyone in the real world that I've collaborated with that is as talented as the friends I've made here. 5. I found the predecessor, aphextwin.nu whilst searching for aphex twin information. I prefer it to other boards as I like the people more, I find the design user friendly and aesthetically pleasing. 6. I think if regulars post news/hard to believe claims it's more respected than if a new user does... one of the reasons Hexagonal Dope's scam was so effective was that she became a regular poster for a couple of months first. |
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1. yes, exactly. i wouldn't know about most of the stuff without the board 2. No, people are too different. Narrowminds are as common as everywhere, there isn't a thing that we have in common except maybe music. It actually is a main subject here but other topics fill more than half of the board, so i think it works as a starter but you get to know people better by random chats. 3. yes, see above 4. yes, that maight be true for music makers. but in fact we don't really know each other. 5. i did a search on aphex twin back in the .nu days, read the messages for quite a while and someday i joined. 6. yes. though the english language also plays a keyrole - i think i understand most of the comments and i'm not that bad alltogether but there is a level of understatement i simply cannot get. |
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whats hexagonal dopes scam?! |
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a funny story from a year ago. she made great music but was a lying bitch. the last day she put on the "newest rephlex signing" avatar. |
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ok, lets keep this thread strict and focused on her questions. |
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word to my point four :) |
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I am glad you chose this thread as an interesting one, cos I also thought it was really nice but I still dont quite understand the first question, cos I dont believe that being more or less club and dancefloof, makes any sense of community... anyway I feel more in a comunity than with pop or rock cos as so few people like idm is easy to feel like a community... and yes maybe this board as others help to feel that community spirit |
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1. Do message boards like this one help to foster that connection? I know NOTHING about the ''electronic'' subculture, there's nothing resembling that where I live and I don't know of anyone that likes this stuff within a 300 mile radius. 2. How would you typify contributors to this message board? There's no real stereotype here, there's a wide variety of people... but there's no doubt that certain movies and books and art, etc seem to be more popular here than they are in the mainstream... I don't know many Eraserhead fans, but everyone here seems to love it. 3. Many threads on the board do not pertain to music. Do you believe that the topics, which digress as actual conversations do, evidence personal relationships among the contributors? I don't really think this is a board for electronic music, more of a board for electronic music fans. Always interesting to see how people with similar interests tick. And despite what people say, the board is always music-heavy. At any given time, there's lots of music topics active. 4. Do you feel that Xltronic has helped you make contacts you might not have otherwise? Like I said, this is the only contact I have to fans of this ''genre''... if it wasn't for this board, I wouldn't know about a lot of great music. There's no clubs or dances or anything here, no raves, no concerts... the board keeps me sane. 5. How did you find Xltronic and why do you frequent it? How does it compare to other message boards? I found it doing a google search for Windowlicker information after reading about Aphex in a Kid A review. I came for the crazy nonsense (there were no mods and it was chaotic), but I stayed for the great input on stuff I have no access to otherwise. The board's gotten much better than when I first came here, just look deep into the archvies. It was funnier before, hehe... hilarious trolls. But that got old. The potential was there for a very intelligent board, and it has become that, despite what the delusiona |
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*enters the thread* *slowly backs out, looking for men in black* |
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The potential was there for a very intelligent board, and it has become that, despite what the delusional tools over at WATMM say. 6. There's always a ''social hierarchy'' on messageboards... people get ignored, people look for attention, people make others mad, grudges and alliances are made, it's a CRAZY little microcosm of society. It's tough for newbies to break in and stand out! There's definitely an ''old boy's network'' and you have to work hard for respect if you aren't known. Internet popularity is a funny thing. |
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6. There's always a ''social hierarchy'' on messageboards... people get ignored, people look for attention, people make others mad, grudges and alliances are made, it's a CRAZY little microcosm of society. It's tough for newbies to break in and stand out! There's definitely an ''old boy's network'' and you have to work hard for respect if you aren't known. Internet popularity is a funny thing. ********************************* reviewing my first 30 threads (started by me) most of them got like between 1 and 10 posts now I rarely get less than 30 posts I reckon that many times I look for some threads started by this or that other rather than looking for the topic tittles |
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4. Do you feel that Xltronic has helped you make contacts you might not have otherwise? I feel here as ophecks. I love music and specially this later years I love idm above all (even though I listen to all tipes of music too) but I cannot share this in my real life... not a single friend, not my girlfriend, not even the guy from the record store... nobody like what I like... so I just share my thoughts here... man that is very important and makes this MB essential for me |
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I hate the term IDM for a start but I will use it because it is what you have used. 1. Personally I think IDM was born out of the UK governments destruction of the party scene. I personally think that IDM is probably the most culturally sterile form of music that exists. 2. People are all different, this is probably the most diverse board I have ever posted on, which keeps it interesting. 3. I think it is just the type of place that fosters people to be who they really are. 4. No. 5. I found it on the internet years ago while looking for information on studio equipment. It is usually an interesting place to visit for an hour or so. 6. I think the reason that happens is because nine times out of ten the questions or comments by new people have been asked a million times before...as people settle in they stop typing things like "Does Richard come here?" and instead asks things like "Does Richard floss with ginger pubes?" |
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I personally think that IDM is probably the most culturally sterile form of music that exists. *********************************+ this needs more explanation it sounds interesting |
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1. i think that messageboards are great for finding people with similar interests as yourself. i don't know anyone in my area who is as into idm as much as i am, so talking to people here lets me know im not the only one listening to this wonderful music! 2. possibly, for the most part everyone here seems to be pretty smart, so if that what you mean, yes. i think most of us share the same mind-set, which allows us to appreciate this genre of music. 3. yes, i enjoy engaging in conversations with others here about things other than music. 4. yes, definately. 5. aphextwin.nu was the #1 search response for aphex twin, and since then has evolved into xltronic.com... i love this place, so much info, so many people... i know of no other messageboard! LONG LIVE XLTRONIC! 6. definately socialization, the older posters seem to get responded to most often. |
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Since my first question is causing confusion, a clarification: Raves are often conceived of as having a sense of community. As we all know, people traveled from place to place to attend and there was the principle of (I hate to mention it) PLUR. I have never found the hugs etc. at raves particularly genuine (or anything more than annoying). But, one might make the assumption that IDM, as a listening music often privately enjoyed, might have less of a sense of identity attached to it than music that caters to dancing and social gatherings. To reveal my bias, in question one I was looking for conformation of my suspicion that, in spite of not being "party music," there is actually as much if not more of a sense of community surrounding IDM. Perhaps this is because IDM fans tend to be critically and intimately involved in their music and, thereby, have shared perspectives and the foundations for real conversations. Do you agree or disagree? Thanks again to everyone for your interest. |
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1. I would definitely not say there is less of a community amongst fans of IDM. While there is less physical gathering, that is really only because it is not as popular as a dance-type genre like rave/trance/house. I could even say the bond between two fans is strengthed because of the rarity of listeners. 2. I don't think there is a specific mindset outside of the music itself, not really. I do think that there is definitely more intelligence to the serious listener of IDM, however. 3. Yes, I do. Conversations outside of the set topic/purpose of an MB make a person seem more friendly, and I myself wouldn't be completely comfortable discussing something off-topic on a new message board unless I got to know people better. 4. Definitely. It has been both entertaining and enlightening to speak with people of such broad ranges of nationality and dialect, and certainly nice to hear from actual musicians I have heard in the past. I also feel through these contacts the knowledge of the genre and creativity in music is augmented more and more. 5. I found Xltronic through a web-search, I _think._ I used to frequent it quite a lot, but I have definitely slowed down quite a bit. I would have to say that this board is definitely much bigger in comparison to other boards I've been to (replies come very quickly!) and that there is always someone able to and willing to answer any questions you have about the genre or audiowork. This b oard has also needed a lot less moderation than other boards -- perhaps that is due to the maturity/intelligence in the average IDM listener. (I am over-complimentary, I know.) Most of the people on this board are college age and younger, which is quite convenient. 6. I don't know about initiation...I doubt people reply simply because of post count or frequency, I think members respect those with high post counts because they have already read and liked their previous posts, due to the abundance of them. |
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1. Without this messageboard I would not have known the term "IDM", and I would have been unable to learn about other artists in the IDM-genre. So yes..this board does that 2. Yeah definitely. The thoughts we share about music and making music, often reaches global musicians. We echange ideas as well as thoughts on life. 3. Yes. Every topic with a "i hate my girlfriend" or "my dog is dead"- kinda title's give's you a perspective of the other users, and makes you relate. 4. Yes! Things like the "XLTronic Vibes" and other people who contribute with they're own music, and when things like that happen, you often talk with the artists, share they're idea of music, talk about techniques and equipment 5. Well at first it was aphextwin.nu . I knew about the aphextwin-page, but had not visited the board, and I myself had worked on a demo-album that was free to download from the net. I then signed in on the board to show people my music, and I actually got overwhelming response. Then I started hanging out on the board and learned more about Richard D. James (who IMO is the godfather of IDM), and other artists like Autechre and Squarepusher started to find my interest. Aphextwin.nu/Xltronic.com grew with my own sense of music. And my own music grew with my sense. Other messageboards simply does not have the same fast-access, and interactivity. Though things here in a way aren't very different from other boards, it still has something to it that you can't quite put your finger on. Maybe it's the honesty of this board. 6. In some wierd way does points equal respect. Not totally, but in some way. The points show experience and though people don't like to idmit it, the point-system actually is more important that your age. |
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OK, here goes... 1. I like this sense of community especially because you know you are among people who like the same style. I do feel less bonding with people who prefer rave/club music. Perhaps this community-feeling feels stronger because the amount of IDM fans is relativily low.. I don’t think there is this strong association with rave/club. In my opinion rave/club music is more repetitive, simplistic and superficial. IDM shows this depth that is very special. Indeed, intelligent. Rave/club is more transient. It was remarkable to me the early 90’s IDM tracks can easily stand the test of time, whilst rave/club can’t. Again, imo. (difficult question, that was) more to come.. |
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2. It surprised me so many contributors are this talented by creating their own music. Personally I don’t but I really think it’s great work you guys are doing. By comparison with other message boards I feel the intelligence level is higher, I do. The averga age is higher, although I never checked that, it just feels like this. Then, it’s true settled members are taken more serious than newbies. But I guess that’s just normal. Though it feels bad because a lot of posters have read the threads for years before posting themselves. To typify them in a few words: very friendly, wise and open-minded. |
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