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Rose, please could you explain the following, "(I hate to mention it) PLUR. I have..." what is "PLUR"? Good point by ecnadniarb re: govt. breaking up the rave scene. I was too young to go to raves, but I was into the music from spending hours in my elder brother's room listening to old rave/techno. |
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3. I sure do! One of the things which create this community-feeling is the fact not every thread is a music-related one. It gives you the feeling you’re not only inquiring information about IDM on the board, but actually making friends here. You get to know people, their habits, ways to respond.. .. It is so much more pleasant knowing a little background info of each other. A sort of trust, I guess, that arises. |
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4. Well, it’s true Xltronic has helped me finding people who like the same music as I do. Aside from that, I’ve never had any contact with the artists themselves, and while the Autechre remix contest is a great initiative, contact with Ae is still very indirect. (correct me if I’m wrong..) Above that, I’m not participating in this contest, so perhaps I don’t have that right of speaking.. .. |
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5. I found the predecessor aphextwin.nu after a web search, while I was looking for aphex twin info. First I was hooked by the discogs, later I started exploring the rest of the site, read the threads on the message boards and the likes. Only a few months since I started posting. It did kind of grow on me. Now I like to read all the threads because I find it very interesting what these people are discussing about. I have found great artist names I had never heard about before. Plus it’s a way of relaxing – putting my minds off... Other message boards never really took my attention. Well it’s obvious important the board is related to a general concept you like, like electronics in this case... So if you like that, the board does automatically appeal to a person I guess. With that, the gentle people and the orderly lay-out contribute to my interest. A lot. |
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6. Yeah I just said something in that direction in another question I guess, the longer you have been a member, the more ‘face’ you are getting. You sure have to fit in the community, and a person can only make one first impression. I’ve seen some people coming over and left forever the same day. Noticing the amount of replies on your thread, Rose, it’s not necessary to have this reputation with good questions. Perhaps I would answer earlier in a thread of someone I ‘know’, rather than a complete stranger. But this kind of general discussions appeals to everyone, regardless of your posting history. By now my boss must be loving me for spending so much time over here heheh… |
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1) Alot of my friends are not into this type of music, coming to a place like this helps me express my thoughts on the music that i love to listen to. It is great to know you are among people who like the same thing you like but have different views on it and it is always interesting to listen to eachother's views. Plus with reccomendations people have given me to listen to (such as Mira Calix, Roni Size, and some Tom Waits) i have really discovered different types of music that i never though i would have liked. 2) There is a big notion of feeling and emotions such as love, hate, bitterness and anger all linked in with most IDM tracks. I feel it is impossible for me not to feel a strong emotion when listening to an IDM track i like. Also with everyone creating their own music on the board, i feel that alot more emotion can be reached by listening to different people's perspective of how they want music to sound. 3) Yes i do. With such conversations and topics that link to the member's personal life and emotion, it gives the picture on as the avatar another dimension. You remeber how that person felt previously and talk to them about it. It's a friendly atmosphere. 4) Yes i do. I know 'of' people who live near me that have the same taste in music. I have had contact with a few of the artists i listen to (Yeeking, Mira Calix and Venetian Snares) with help of members through this board :) I'm soon going to write to Boards of Canada 5) I was heavily into Aphex Twin when i was 13-14 and searched the net from websites about him. I found aphextwin.nu and i have loved it ever since. A real sense of community and a reason for being there; for people to interact with eachother globally and meet people they never thought they would meet. I prefer this message board because its easy to use, a nice lot of people :) and aphextwin.nu had good content in it, which im sure XLTronic.com will as well. 6) I feel that, at times, more points a member has, the more they are respected. However, it has been shown |
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that people who have only posted several times (50-100) are respected, such as a director who at times posts here to promote his videos which alot of people enjoy. |
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you can find a rave party on every corner, as for the idm parties-you can hardly find any. i mean there are some bigger events through out the year and many people attend those, so i guess if there were more events like this it would be easier to socialize with people that like same music. (if i want to hear idm music in a club, the nearest good club is 350 kms away...so if you like this music, you must be prepared to travel a lot, i guess its a little better if you live in england...) |
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haha! Peace Love Unity + Respect |
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Cheers Rocken, You've just earned yourself some PLUR for explaining it to me. |
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how come this is a grrey sticky thrread? |
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it was glued to the top but when it reaches 1000 posts its too heavy and falls down really fast. and who is in there at this time will never be seen again. |
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1. I wouldn't say that there is less of a community because it's brought it away from the clubs. I think it's just developed a different kind of community. 2. When I first came to this board I would have said yes to that. Now that I've been here for a while I'd say no. The people on this board are very different and from all walks of life. There are parallels between many people but you only need look in some of the more political threads to see that there are certainly different mindsets at work here.a 3. Yes, basically. 4. Certainly. Very few of my friends I know outside the internet like this type of music. Those that do aren't as "into it" as I am. 5. I found xltronic when it was aphextwin.nu I was searching for Aphex sites so I could learn more about the artist. I noticed that there was a message board and had a look. I didn't register straight away and just read some threads. I noticed that there was a sense of community there and decided to start posting myself. I can't really compare it to another message board as I've really only been a regular on this one. I've posted now and then on one other board and looked at another but I liked this one so I stayed. 6. I think it's more a case of people trying to gauge what the person is asking in their question. If you "know" the poster then you can work out what they mean more. Plus if there's someone I get on well with who starts a thread then I'm more inclined to read it. I also have to be selective of threads due to time constraints. So in a way my answer to your question is yes but not intentionally. |
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(totally off topic) w M w -> did you get your avatar off Glyphiti? I drew the exact same picture there about 6months ago.. lol |
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1: I actually think that the fact that idm music is lesser known than other sorts of electronic music, and music in general helps make the community stronger. Yes, i would say this particular message board is a main source of my connection to IDM. 2: Well, theyre all human beings. Nothing beyond that i'd say really. 3: I dont know, because what youre like on the internet differs a lot from what you really are often, so real friends i dont know. i prefer them in flesh and blood! But musically enlightened people like this is hard to find, but the relationships for my part at least, are wery shallow. 4: Surely. Real fans of electronic music is hard to find man! 5: Trough the old aphextwin.nu as i was just getting interested in the guy. 6: Yes,i actually think it might be just that! Somehow a guy with 6000 points seems more "in" than someone called "aphextwinfan" with no photo and 3 posts. Interesting topic BTW. I believe someone else here on the board did something similar, also a student of antropology i believe. |
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I belive a lot. hehe. |
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I know, I know, it's hard to believe but I drew this masterpiece myself! I couldn't figure out how to make it a small enough file size which is why it looks fuzzy. My old avatar with moving lines was awesome but there's no way I'd ever figure out how to do that again with the size limit. |
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1. I think that is brings a stronger collective/belonging sense into the genre (call it “braindance” please). A lot of people are into the scene for various reasons and their views are not always similar. By not having a large selection of fans in any one area the internet helps to bridge the gap and, effectively, bring them into your room (without them being there, spilling beers and making a mess). On this board everyone is here because they really like aphex twin, so us fans can become a collective on here 2. Yes and no. a lot of people here on the board seem to just post to get their “rating” up to a hardcore level. This is good in a sense that a lot of friendships have been made, and a shame as there are some people who ruin messages by spilling childish crap onto the board. 3. Yes, and (again proven by some of the replies on this message) the childish crap that litters the page doesn’t help some valid points brought up quite often 4. No, not really. But I guess others have. I think that because there is this whole safety net thing of “I can’t see you and you’re not near me” attitude helps people be more open than in normal friendships 5. I found it many a year ago looking for aphex twin on the internet (it’s the first thing to come up on the search places). I come here as I like the layout and the opinions most people hold. It is also nice to find out new things on the genre I love so. the board is the best I have ever come across as it is both simple and easy to navigate. Current topics stay high so you don’t have to trawl through loads of shit to find something interesting. 6. what the mylittlesister person said goes for me. Although being a member for some time I don’t hold any real status on the board I a rarely post - mostly read. |
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1. Clubs disrupt any sense of community. There in NO real community among ravers, it's all an illusion. A drug-induced illusion. But it seems impossible to create a reallife IDM club either, can't say why, for me it's about communication problems. I'm afraid of people. 2. Judging from personal experience (reallife and online), I can say most people who share similar electronic music tastes have the same sense of humor, approach to life, maybe even mental issues. Heh. Three sides of a typical XLTer: uzim, Marlowe, skyfarmer. Mix and add water in different proportions to get any user you want! Tip: average will be just water :) 3. Of course. We're a bunch of friends, and as I said above, we share much more than just music tastes. It's not a music messageboard, it's a community messageboard, and we talk about all kinds of stuff we find interesting. 4. Yes. I've met many extraordinarily bright and interesting people here. 5. I used to frequent aphextwin.nu for some months, then I went seriously offline, came back after some years, and bang, here it is. Xltronic. It's the best because of (1) people (2) design (3) pleasant athmosphere (which is provided by the two things mentioned above) 6. People get to know you more over time, and you get more popular. If you're an outstanding individual, people pay more attention to your words. But if you're grey and mediocre, you get the opposite - experienced users learn to skip your posts to save time. >:) |
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1. Yes there is, but it's hard to find people of like minds, so obviously message boards such as this one are a Godsend in bringing us together...(altogether now, aaaaaah!) :-) 2. Haven't really been here long enough to say, but I'd say that we're all generally sound as a pound(!) Quite possibly we'd share the same opinions on other topics too. 3. I believe it demonstrates that people have perspective and wish to discuss pressing issues of the day with people with whom they feel able to do so, and whose opinions they value...it could also be that until the last 2 or 3 weeks, there hasn't been much decent stuff released(!) 4. N/A personally (newbie) but I'd say it undoubtedly has and will in other cases than mine... 5. Through aphextwin.nu which I had linked on my webpage from ages ago. It's the best and only music board I visit. 6. Of course regulars' comments carry more weight, you're more likely to value the comments of a long-time poster than you are any old gimp like me(!) Hope this helps :-) |
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1) This message board definetly has helped me a great deal learn more about this music which I've came to love and others who see it in the same light as myself. I've got many friends who appreciate this genre of music, but I have no direct contect with those who have the same passion for it, and that's where this site has helped me. I've learned more about this music I love here than anywhere else, and I've discovered great new artists in the process. Overall, the "idm scene" may not be as cohesive as the techno/rave scene, but in my mind it is much more rewarding to find others who can appreciate this complex form of music which I've come to love. 2) The great thing about this board is the huge range of people which accompany it. Thats another thing I've come to love about this music, that there is no stereotype to it. Some may disagree on this point, but I find that a broad rang of people, different in many aspects, are what makes this board as great as it is. All though sometimes we get silly and jokey, overall I believe there is great insight to be observed by those who come here. Like any community, we have our quarles (sp?) and our spats, but in the end, there is certainly great knowlege around here. 3) Without a doubt, this message board has regressed into serious and offensive debates which often don't pertain to music at all, but that is what makes it what it is. The fact that we can get to know each other for who we really are is great, and though these debates sometimes get out of hand, it can be a great reminder of how different we really are, even though we have many things in common. Sometimes it gets stupid, but what doesn't? 4) This is the most decisive answer I can make. This mb has helped me make contacts and learn more about music than I could ever have otherwise in my mind. Though I don't state it, some of the relationships and people I've met here (though I dont really know them) are invaluable to me. I'm nothing but greatful that I've found a site w |
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fuck, I got cutoff. Too drunk to write it all out again. pitty |
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Rose: when you're finished with this thing, please post it up on the forum,. I'm be interested to see what you would say in your report |
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yea I am so interested... please post here the result of whatever you are doing the fact is that this thread could easily be one of the bests in this MB history in some way you must be feeling th community weather right now...:D |
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You want me to post my finished product? The dangers of the anthropology. When Hunter Thompson published his study on the Hell's Angels, they nearly beat him to death. Actually, I'm sure I don't need to worry about reprisal. There will be nothing less than flattering in my paper. Yes, nacmat, I am experiencing the element of community. I really appreciate how helpful everyone has been. My concern is that, since the paper is aimed at 60-something professors, the explanations I have to make, like "Richard D. James is..." will sound patronizing. The paper will be in process for a while, but I can tell you that the title will be "I Care Because You Do." If you would like to invade my message board in return, I and some other students create a web-magazine with a forum at http://www.warren-wilson.edu/~well. (This probably won't be very relevant outside of the college.) And while I'm self-promoting, you might also be interested in http://www.magazineminima.com. |
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Here's one more question for those who are interested: Do you think that there is something about electronic music--usually not made with wood, wind, or any organic material, often composed alone, without the collaborative atmosphere that a band has--that is inherently bleak or isolationist? Do you think it is the same frame of mind that makes one like electronic music--distanced from the human hand that creates it, through knobs, wires, etc.--that also makes one seek interaction and conversation at great remove on message boards, through keyboards? |
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but autechre, orbital, plaid...they are two people what I mean is that it is not that unhuman no mater the media, the creative process is there as if it was made with wood the creation process makes you live alone anyway |
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plenty of electronic artists use organic sounds (if not otherwise, lots of them make their own sounds and samples). that about working alone is a bit true, but somehow its better this way-it makes you appreciate artist even more... and the last point is pretty hilarious (at least from my point of view), how did you come up with that hehe, no offense!, i think at least 95 % of people here would never thought of anything like that :) (could be that im wrong though :) ) |
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why do i suspect future cattle prodding and socio-economic manipulation of niche message boards? oh wait, that's already been attempted... nevermind. right now i hate everyone. |
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1: It's harder to be open about listening to IDM as opposed to more dance orientated electronic music, simply because more people listen to dance, and it is more socially accepted, so it's harder to find other people that listen to IDM, because there are not only less of them, but they often hide the fact. 2: I've found that most people here will listen to any sort of music, be it jazz, rock, or classical, as long as it is reasonably good, and the production value is there. 3: because this board is well moderated, people can speak their mind without having to worry about people coming in and abusing them for no reason, this sort of ease about what you can post means that people can talk just like they do in real life, without having to worry about keeping opinions to themselves for social acceptance, as well as that favours are thrown around a bit here, (more than at other messageboards I've visited) people generally try to help each other out, the whole 'give and take' thing probably helps out with making friendships between members stronger. 4: Yes, I've Meet many people on this messageboard that I couldn't do without. 5: I feel strongly for Xltronic, I've been here for quite a while, and I owe part of who I am today to how this messageboard and it's members has affected me, I think this message board is more professional than other messageboards, both in design, and members (well, most members anyway) *eyes flappypants 6: Yes, I often browse through a topic and completely ignore all posts of people I don't know, it's probably not a good habit, but I'm usually browsing topics in between doing other things, and try to make the most of my time. |
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1. i think boards like this help, but there is still a stigma to this certain type of sound or mentality, like it's all about being effed up or something. i dont do drugs, i dont party, im a christian... and yet the artistry is valid. it's an odd paradigm, because in painting for example, what is abstract or artistically expressive is accepted as the best work... in music it works so differently, it's hard to guage as a culture. it is present, but fairly mute, as far as worldwide recognition goes. 2. sometimes, but i've seen very immature and naive people in here... talking about how effed up the new venetian snares album is. some have a together mindset, but honestly, the majority gives off a stereotypical raver vibe. 3. oh definitely. i have alot of genuine affections for some of these cats, and i think it goes both ways. there is a bond that music creates between creator and listener, and between listeners... it is unbreakable. it is truly magical. they see beauty in something that most ignore as rubbish. 4. absolutely. it is a wonderful thing to be a part of. i am honored to even be considered for such a contest, and among such talented minds. 5. i used to go to aphextwin.nu, though i had never "joined". i don't even bother with other message boards. *cough* 6. well, i think it's just natural social behavior. people don't know you, so they need to warm up to your personality and get to know your sense of humor, your way of looking at the world, etc... i will say that these guys welcomed me fairly quickly, all things considered. |
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1. In real life, I don't know that many people who are real fans of the genre. Only one of my friends is even slightly interested. Most other people will listen to some examples and say "that's cool" but they don't listen to it regularly. I think the internet is probably the best place for commuincating with the other fans since IDM has a very international fanbase, and many of them are in Europe or elsewhere outside the USA. 2. They run the gamut, from idiotic middle-schoolers who have nothing intelligent to say, to deeply philisophical and enlightened individuals. Fortunetely just about everyone here has something to add, whether it's compliments to the work of an amateur artist, or discussions about life, or just humorous ramblings 3. I think the place would get a bit boring if we only talked about music. There's only so many times you can start a topic about everyone's top 5 aphex twin tracks, and I'm interested in knowing what people think about things other than IDM. 4. It's been a tremendous help when trying to find out about new and similar IDM artists. I found out about Boards of Canada & Autechre here, now two of my favorites of all time. IDM doesn't really have a lot of mainstream promotion, especially in the United States, so it become vital to find out through other means. I'm very happy xltronic (formerly aphextwin.nu) exists because I otherwise wouldn't know about many of the artists that I like. 5. I joined in February of 2002, back when it was aphextwin.nu, because I was starting to really get into aphex back then. I liked the design of the site (they had recently changed over to version 2, i believe). I still enjoy the interface. I don't know if Phobiazero codes it himself, but the simplicity and speed of the layout is wonderful. Looks nice too. I frequent many boards that use UBB or PhPBB, and I still prefer this because it's so quick and uniform. I stayed because I enjoyed the topics, and I had fun getting to know all the other Aphex fans out th |
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6. Like with any messageboard, there's a social hierachy of sorts. This place is cool because of the design, everyone is on a level playing field. You've got your name, your avatar, and your points. I think having more points shows that you've been here a while, and that can make you look like a veteran of sorts; someone that knows a lot about the board and the stuff we discuss (although that's not the case w/ everyone). Nobody wants to be a newbie for very long. |
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Rose, to steal a quote from an Autechre-related release of the past (I think!) ;-) "The machines are merely a means to a human end...." (Feel free to correct me anyone if I've forgotten where exactly that comes from!) |
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heh, it's funny that you mention that, because i do agree with you in a cynical, nihilistic way. then again, i do see a point in rose's attempt at justifying a thesis for some project she is trying to fulfill. so we should give her that much. in response to her second question, i find the separation between 'organic' and 'electronic' to be somewhat fuzzy. for instance, rose quotes "usually not made with wood, wind, or any organic material, often composed alone" as her definition of electronic, and that this 'electronic' music is "distanced from the human hand that creates it, through knobs, wires, etc." is really generalized and questionable, to an extent. if you say, for example, music made with synthesizers is somewhat different from music made from flutes, because the knobs and keys are 'further' away from the artist than the latter, then how would you explain pianos? it seems to be that they are both making some kind of wave which approaches the human ear, and the only superficial thing separating one from the other is that the 'organic' flute has less 'tweaking' options than the former. so if you agree with me on this point, then you can't really distinguish one from the other, unless you specify on a scale, the number of tweaking abilities equates to 'electronic' or 'organic'. but really, that's just a bias in measurement in the end, is it not? and to conclude, i think that the interaction occurring on message boards such as this one, does not necessarily mean that people are isolated and are functioning through an isolationist method (unless i am misinterpreting the last bit in rose's question). conversely, i think it is just a 'way of communication', more than anything else - with those who are beyond your geographical reach. the reason why it feels so remote is because this is an international board, one cannot physically fly around the world to visit each and every one of the members on here, but one wishes to communicate with them as close as they can, with |
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crap, it cut the rest of the message off and i don't remember what it said. hmm. ah well, you get the point. :) |
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Jenf: I agree with your argument. To clarify my question, as a fan of electronic music, I do not think the sounds it uses are somehow different from any other musical sound. However, people who are alienated by electronic music have regularly told me that electronic music seems "fake" to them because it does not come directly from instruments they are familiar with. Neither do I believe that all message boards are frequented by hermits. But, I do hear something inherently lonely or bleak in the very sounds that most electronic music is composed of. I suppose, in a round about way, that I was wondering whether some other listeners are also attracted to a distanced sound (and if they might enjoy distanced communication for the same reason). |
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i have come across people who have said something along the lines of the first bit you said about electronic music sounding 'fake', but i think people who make these judgements are digging a big hole for themselves if they are stating it as a whole - on the other hand, if they are stating to defend their personal reactions, it's possible that they are basically saying "what is not me, is part of the other, and the other is foreign (in a negative sense of the word)". of course, i find this sort of reasoning flawed, nonetheless... im still unsure about the 'distanced sound' bit - maybe this also could relate to the foreign entity idea? maybe it could be said that the sound(s) created by electronic means seem to lack emotion or insincerity for some listeners, therefore attracting or offending, depending on who you are? |
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I wouldn't say electro sounds fake, but sometimes it is nicer to hear something that was made completely physical - physical contact and flaws gives music character. |
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Yes, I think that this genre more than most is inherently isolationist. Few acts do a lot of mainstream style promotion, some are intentionally cryptic and reclusive (BoC would be a prime example). I think most of the softer, more melodic and less percussion based tracks in the genre are tainted with melancholy, even relatively upbeat ones (like girl/boy song). What you said re: reprisals, yes, quite amusing... Thompson, (something along the lines of) "Whilst I didn't feel immediately threatened, I made a mental note that they had hinted that the first way they would seek revenge would be to rape my wife..." |
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good thing this thread is 'locked' this is some interesting stuff.. what are you gonna do with this? if you gonna write a report i'd like to read it.. ok here are my 2 cents: 1. in my opinion these boards help to increase connection between IDM fans. I've only met 1 person in real life who really likes IDM, and he only got into it because i converted him. If this MB wouldn't have been here i wouldnt have been aware of a really huge load of music, and there's a lot of nice people here to talk about them. 2. I dont really think IDM fans, or the ppl on this board have equal perspectives, there has been a lot of flaming threads on the subject of the war and all, but in general these people carry an open mind, allowing them to enjoy music that is out of the ordinary, wich they could benefit from in real life as well... 3. There's definately a lot of personal relationships here. A lot of nice people come here, so beside the argueing that occurs sometimes i guess a lot of people here like eachother, if you have studied the converstations on inverted whales winmx server and the soulseek room you'll notice this as well. Certain members have even met in real life. In my opinion the good thing of this board is the diversity of topics discussed, keeps things lively and all. 4. Yes, definately. I got into IDM through aphextwin.nu (the former xltronic) because some guy played afx for me. After a google search i found the aphextwin.nu messageboard, which helped me to a lot of good music. Other contacts, such as the personal contacts ive mentioned before apply here too, and come in handy when you are a music maker for example, this is a good way of exchanging music making tips and letting ppl hear your tunes. 5. This is the best board ive ever visited. Nice people overall, and the layout and desing is good as well 6. Well i think there is a certain time it takes before ppl appreciate you and all, but there are places on the internet that are way more 'elitistic', thus having a stronger |
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hieracrhical (typo there for sure) structure heh last 6 words wouldn't fit in... this is the longest post ive ever made i guess |
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1. thats not really true though, it takes off on the club idea, there are still "IDM" shows and stuff, but then again in a sense this is a community. 2. No. because ever since ive been here, almost 2 years now, there has been lots of bullshit by me or by lots of other people, these people have something in common, but that doesnt mean everything else goes with it. 3. Yeah they can show the relationships among words between people here. Ofcourse pretaining to the 2nd question, people do become somewhat friends in places like this, more like respectable contacts. 4. Yes, Xltronic (and to note other MBs) have helped me get contacts to get programs, games, files, albums and even just information. But this is not true for everyone. 5. I found this place a long time ago while looking for information on Aphex Twin who I had been into for a good while before hand. I used to frequent here a lot more, especially when I first started coming here, but thats dropped a lot. I come here once every 2 days or so for like 10 mins maybe. 6. Well yeah it goes both ways, it just really depends on the topic and who in general doesnt "dislike" the person or whatever through previous contact(s). Usually oldskool members get a bit more recognition. |
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everybody seems to be extremely behaved in this topic, long non-gibberish answers, no flame wars... for another glimpse of what is possible here just read one of the recent war-threads, hehe |
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haha, that's nice to hear |
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Hey, Ceri, do us a favour and delete him |
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I am so totally NOT gay. |
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I'm in the process of doing that now. It's annoying, arrrghhhhh! My finger is tired. |
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shit, you should have left only recycle's, that would have been funny :)) |
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