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you should all read this essay before arguing that he does. |
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neither does yr file :D |
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damn you GOd! |
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damn you GOD! erase the last slash then hit enter |
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Damn you god! erase the last slash |
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sorry guys i think i'm out of it..... better take some time off |
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read that in apologetics class last year.. forgot all the conclusions we came to but it's an interesting article nonetheless. not sure i agree with it, but well written and brings up good, thought-provoking points. |
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ya i still feel like there is a God.. but i can't prove it. mabey becuase i feel like life would be truly worthless if there was no god |
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hmm. friends of mine reckon they can prove he does exist. i dont mind either way. its all very personal |
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oldest debate of mankind, with convincing arguments on both sides. the bottom line is you either have faith in God's existence (and guiding light) or you don't. it's a personal decision, not an opinion that should be changed based on an essay (for or against the existence of a higher power). |
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you friends were oviously very stoned |
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It's tough.. I believe there's a God but like you said, it's tough, if not impossible, to prove. The same could be said for the other side, can't prove there's not one either. Life without a God *would* be worthless though .. in some ways it would take the pressure off, but on the other hand it gives a sense of hopelessness. I think Bertrand Russell is trying to figure out what his own opinion is more than argue against religion. You should keep on having that open mind. :) |
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i think the essay shuts down any attempts prove God exists |
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spirituality is so much deeper than squabbles over musical tastes or sports. i hope that no one's opinion on something as serious as the existence of God is changed by an essay. as i said, i've heard and read compelling arguments on both sides. faith is worth discussing but you can't expect to win anyone over to either side unless they really search their soul and come to their own conclusion on the matter. |
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i'm not looking to be an ass.. but people can search their souls all day and come to conclusions about God and those conclusions can still be wrong. |
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Agreed .. it's a good essay as I remember, and while it may shut down attempts to prove God's existence, it's far from disproving it. Hey, I believe God exists but I couldn't prove it, and even if I thought I could I wouldn't expect you or anyone to be swayed by pure arguments alone. |
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The Riddle of Epicurus Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? |
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spot on titsworth |
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by the way i'm not trying win anyone over to any side. just mabey making some people think about it, thats all. |
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for those reasons my friends dont try to influence me or anything and were still all real close, we respect each other for being decent people |
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people's definition of God could be different... |
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Yes, good essay. Valid points. |
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i hope that no one's opinion on something as serious as the existence of God is changed by an essay. Yes, far better to be led by emotion and demagoguery. |
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and anyway, if god exists, whose side you want to be on? that is why i don't speculate too much |
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Life without a God *would* be worthless though .. That's why it's okay to massacre the infidel. :-) Seriously though, why would you say such a thing? Why do we need something external to shoehorn "worth" into our lives? Is God's existence worth something, or does he need a meta-god to lend him meaning? |
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and wouldn't it be better for god to not to be known? |
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...something external to shoehorn "worth" into our lives? By external I mean external to the natural world, not external to the self. |
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Yes, he does. In the minds of millions of blinkered, unquestioning morons across the world. Poor lambs. |
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Better for him, or better for us? Probably better for him... if Jesus showed up nowadays they'd take him to Area 51 and put wires in his head. |
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better for him then people would do good deeds for good deeds sake, not because someone is watching! (that was my logic) but jesus would kick the arses of the governments |
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Now that's no better than the attitude of some Christians towards the unsaved. Or of some Muslims towards the infidel. |
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didnt read the essay yet, but let me say, god doesnt exist, because if he did, we would have had fire and brimstone rained upon us for our sins. Seriously, he flooded the earth, and I think there wasnt as much sin back then, as there is today. |
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he is probaböy too depressed to punish us. we are too bad. |
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But I was brought up a Christian and its EVEN my name. |
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but jesus would kick the arses of the governments Well, they'd consider him a terrorist no doubt. He drove the money changers from the temple, which is kinda like the attack on the world trade center. And he gassed--uh, I mean, flooded his own people. He flooded his own people!!!! We have to send UN inspectors to Heaven to check for weapons of mass destruction. Thunderbolts, plagues, horsemen, earthquake potions, the usual stuffs. |
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Your name is Christ?! |
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interesting, interesting. heaven is hiding al-qaeda |
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Christian. Though I'd like to think of myself as a lone force of good in the world. |
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Solopist, Solopist! (Chanting) |
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The world is like a ride in an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it, you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time and they begin to question, is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey - don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride..." And we... kill those people. Ha ha "Shut him up." "We have a lot invested in this ride. Shut him up. Look at my furrows of worry. Look at my big bank account and my family. This just has to be real." Just a ride. But we always kill those good guys who try and tell us that, you ever notice that? And let the demons run amok. But it doesn't matter because: It's just a ride. And we can change it anytime we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money. A choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love, instead, see all of us as one. Here's what we can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride. Take all that money that we spend on weapons and defences each year and instead spend it feeding and clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace. |
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i'm scared of people that use the argument "if there is no god then you have nothing to lose by believing; and tons to lose if there is a god and you don't." I think, that philosophy at least serriously hurts your credibility as an honestly religious person, if it doesn't completely destroy it. |
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That's called Pascal's wager. The problem is, which god do you choose? Choose wrong and maybe you'll be damned loooonger and haaaaaarder. |
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BTW, is that Mark Pauline's maimed hand? It screams "survival research labs". They reconstructed it with a couple of toes or something. |
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"if there is no god then you have nothing to lose by believing; and tons to lose if there is a god and you don't." sure theres lots to loose. if theres no afterlife, youve lost alot of precious time in your life praying to something that wasnt even there, instead of enjoying your short time being alive |
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If you see prayer as a chore or a waste of time you shouldn't do it. I doubt God cares about empty platitudes repeated time and again. I think he'd rather you prayed because you want to. |
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but i mean if you are going to say "ill just do this, just in case" thats crap. cause if you are doing it just in case, then you arnt really convinced, so its basically all a waste of time... if there is no god. |
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Oh yes and to the argument God doesn't exist? The answer is simple: You cannot prove that God does or doesn't exist. Those who choose to believe he doesn't are only choosing what to believe- they are not accepting "fact". If there is an all powerful being, surely he could choose not to reveal himself? |
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Ah, the good old argument from ignorance. (I'm not insulting you; that's just what it's called) If I can't prove something is wrong, therefore there's a chance it may be right, and for some that's enough of an argument to spend a lifetime chasing after nothingness. You can't prove that there isn't a swarm of invisible intelligent tea-kettles acting as your guardian angels. Does that mean it could be true? And would they be filled with darjeeling or assam? |
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Actually re-read my last post. I didn't side with either camp. I didn't say you should pursue something because it may be true. I said you can't prove it either way, that was the only point I made. Oh, the teapots have strong black earl grey darjeeling and no milk or sugar (naturally). |
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