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offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2016-08-04 17:35 [#02501330]
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the best beatmaker UK has ever seen


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2016-08-04 17:58 [#02501331]
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we can beee playaying.. away from my heaaart


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-08-04 18:21 [#02501334]
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i was going to say the only burial thing i've both heard and
enjoyed was Orchestra of Bubbles, but it turns out Ellen
Allien and Apparat. now i'm not sure what the one burial
thing i liked was, but i'm pretty sure it was also a
collaboration. other things i've heard are not unpleasant,
just sparse on ideas and repetitive. but, then, maybe i
managed to pick all the terrible burial tracts first, and
correct me if i'm wrong here etc...

this is also coloured by my memory of some blurb saying he
swears by the roland sp-303. i had one, and it was a
dreadful piece of shit. it could only write to these crusty
ancient smartcards that i hadn't seen anywhere else in ten
years, and they held 8mb or some shit. it has no real screen
and is forced to try and communicate its state to you with a
whole three eight-segment LED noidules. suffice to say
there's a lot of cryptic acronyms and wondering is that
upper or lower case? and then it's off to the manual -- oh,
yes, that was terrible too. then it has to spend time
thinking to do just about anything; half the time using it
is waiting. the sample editing facilities are byzantine. if
you forget that it's a sampler and use it as a multi-fx unit
on an aux send it's alright, except for the high-pitched
squeal it is always pumping out... quietly, but still too
loud to ignore. but, maybe i missed something deep inside,
beyond guro vore porn and barbed wire fences, and correct me
if i'm wrong here etc...


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-08-04 18:26 [#02501335]
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er, boss sp-303. there's a reason it's their guitar pedal
brand and not their real band. but, fuck, even the boss shit
is typically way better. someone loaned me a boss dd-3 once
and i've been salivating to get one for years.

and i'm still looking for the burial thing. i'm trying i'm
trying


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-08-04 18:29 [#02501337]
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./Soundtracks/Braveheart Sound Track/JAMES HORNER -
BRAVEHEART 07 - MURRON'S BURIAL.MP3

i don't think this is the one.


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2016-08-04 18:35 [#02501339]
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gear talk is arab to me, i think he makes music with a
computer though. there is no repetitiveness in a perfect
groove


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-08-04 18:41 [#02501340]
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we judge people by their cars. a car is something that makes
a statement even if it's a borderline-invisible japanese
compact (in which case the statement is no statement). it's
such a huge part of man's life and represents a significant
outlay of net worth. it's practically a second house to
some, or a primary house to those up shit creek or batshit
crazy. got it?

well, the boss sp-303 is like a geo metro with a flash paint
job. it says something about the man driving it.

to be fair, that quote could be fifteen years old, it could
have been all he could afford or just what he started with
or whatever. or i missed the good in it... but that's like
saying, "well maybe the geo has a big block inside" and then
i reply "you couldn't fit one in there. you can't even get
aftermarket parts aside from fuzzy dice."

kapice?


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2016-08-04 18:45 [#02501341]
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Panda Bear is supposed to have used the SP-303 a lot. I
think some people get inspired by the challenge of minimal
shonky gear.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-08-04 18:51 [#02501342]
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there's a difference between minimal and terrible. easy
mistake; happens all the time


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2016-08-04 18:53 [#02501343]
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good instrumental music kicks shit synth music's ass!


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2016-08-04 18:55 [#02501344]
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we all love good instrumental music and good synth music
don't we


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2016-08-04 18:59 [#02501345]
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I like things that are good and dislike things that are bad,
and vice-versa.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-08-04 19:02 [#02501346]
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i spent years writing music with a mouse; VST plugins. then
i started to get enough hardware that was good enough and
there was this cosmic moment where a bizzare and improbable
chain of misfortunes lead me back to my studio right at the
moment some shit was on tv and i recorded this and
a bunch of other shit in one epic bout. i was used to
spending ages making pretty patterns with notes in piano
rolls; edit and playback. edit and playback. to sit down and
haul ass with no wait time was pretty narcotic and i
effectively lost interest in VSTs at that moment. this
pissed off some of the few people that liked my music,
because for years after that most of what i did was
terrible. i simply didn't have enough marbles and groove for
live hardware jams; i had to earn them. i knew it would be
fantastic if i could and then i could return to VST music
with new perspective, sort of like that session guitarist
who took off ten years just to get better.

anyways, if you're working with a minimal setup -- minimal,
not terrible -- it can be a lot of hard work before you can
do something that's not terrible. if you have a setup that's
both minimal and terrible, well, i suppose it's worth a nod
that he got anywhere at all


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2016-08-04 19:07 [#02501347]
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good read


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2016-08-04 19:10 [#02501349]
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It's always the tool's fault.


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2016-08-04 19:14 [#02501350]
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id say if you have a setup that's both minimal and terrible,
and you make things move, puts really a light upon shitloads
of music that sounds good but.. just doesnt move


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-08-04 19:16 [#02501351]
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that is absolutely not what i said, nor what i meant. to put
it in your black-and-white, bowler-tilling, clock-punching
microcosm, i suppose i'm saying that it's never the tool's
fault, but if a tool is picking the tools all you get is
tomfoolery


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-08-04 19:20 [#02501352]
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continuing to talk out of my posterior, i reckon it's
probably more like he uses the sp-303 because he always has.
he has a whole archive of shit and organized sample
libraries and he's memorized what all the terrible acroynm
codes on the "screen" are attempting to convey. pretty much,
he's so deep in it that switching to something better
represents a greater hassle than contuing to use the piece
of shit he's used to. though i hate the sp-303, there's
really nothing wrong with using it for that reason i guess


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2016-08-04 19:21 [#02501353]
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i hear no 303 in burial music


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-08-04 19:22 [#02501354]
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oh, yes, that's what it reminds me of: microsoft windows.
people don't use windows because it's quality, they use it
because alternatives require throwing out everything you use
currently.... and some of that shit runs your life. will
this linux shit load my bank spreadsheet? do i want to
gamble on this? only anoraks like me puckishly scream
yes. we regret it for six or twelve months and then
snobbishly return to the internet to shit on everyone who
hasn't put in the ball-busting time required to get down
with the posix architecture


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2016-08-04 19:24 [#02501355]
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lol what r u saying


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-08-04 19:24 [#02501356]
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oh, yes, the sp-303 did do a 303 emulation, i think. it was
thin and reedy and thus useful kinda but mostly not. the
ef-303 was much better, while we're here. it also had a thin
and reedy 303 emulation, but it was much more generally
usable. the fx were better. and the high-pitched squeal of a
noise floor is mercifully much lower


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-08-04 19:26 [#02501357]
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oh, yes, this jives. the EF-303 is branded roland and
not boss.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2016-08-04 19:26 [#02501358]
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enjoying music


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-08-04 19:32 [#02501359]
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i enjoy music, mostly, but i'm also thoroughly fond of
tearing up anything i find to be shit. half of it is genuine
pleasure at zooming out and running circles around a smaller
perspective; more intellectual than nasty. the nasty half is
you wouldn't believe the level of crap i give myself for
anything that's not spectacular, and i'm annoyed when i see
someone unencumbered by this. like an old lady who yells at
anyone walking a dog to stay off her lawn. it's not the dog
or the lawn, she just has no fun at all. she doesn't let
herself. then someone's whistling and walking fido and the
sight of another human enjoying him or herself is
intolerable and she seeks catharsis. thank god for the
internet, or i'd still be doing this to people ~in real
life~. it's enough of a release valve that i can smile and
be polite; knowing i can trash whatever it is on internet
forums later


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2016-08-04 19:33 [#02501360]
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play burial while driving


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2016-08-04 19:35 [#02501361]
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it makes you like the place you live


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2016-08-04 19:37 [#02501362]
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burial is the 90s of the 2000s


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2016-08-04 19:48 [#02501365]
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the vibe that all dance music had in the 90s in unmatched in
history


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-08-04 19:55 [#02501367]
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well, that fits. the only thing i like about the place i
currently live is that it's cheap.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-08-04 20:00 [#02501368]
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i looked up the boss nass spew 303 on wiki pee:

"The difference between the 303 and SP-404 is that the
vinyl sound compression sounds way different in the 303. It
has a grittier sound."


well, there you go. i never got into sampling vinyl. if i
had gotten into it, and gotten into it when i had the
SP-303, i would definitely have left it on the shelf and
just used my MPC-1000 instead. now there's a real sampler


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-08-04 20:03 [#02501369]
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i think i understand. it looks sort of like what you'd find
in between a pair of turntables; a junior cheeseburger dj
mixer aesthetic. it sold because it looked like the shit you
had already, and was obtuse enough to seem complex. then
you're just some guy who went from scratching to producing;
by the time you realize it's not complex (just awkward)
you're committed. may as well talk it up when pitchquietus
asks you droll questions


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-08-04 20:05 [#02501370]
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at this point this has very little to do with burial and
everything to do with the horrible time i had with the
SP-303. you use one? ok. you swear by it? you're either crap
or full of


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-08-04 20:07 [#02501371]
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the best moment i had with the SP-303 was when i received
paypal monies after ebaying it. shortly thereafter i bought
an sh101, and then a juno, and that was much better. even
though what the SP-303 brought in paid for about one third
of either of those


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-08-04 20:09 [#02501372]
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Dilla famously used only the SP-303 and a 45 record
player to create 29 of the 31 tracks from Donuts (album)
while hospitalized.


oh, yes, i suppose desperation, isolation, and boredom could
result in taking this box seriously. is the dilla album any
good? i'm trying to imagine how being bedridden with an
SP-303 and a morphine IV would pan out; feels like a 6/10
sort of album


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2016-08-04 20:15 [#02501373]
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i use Phoscyon, a 303 emulation. i like it. its kinda
limited cos you cant edit patterns, but you can get good
sounds out of it.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-08-04 20:18 [#02501374]
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that's vst, but ok. i tried it along with audiorealism
bassline 2 and went with the latter. forget why, exactly,
but i do remember it was more about workflow than sound
quality


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2016-08-04 20:18 [#02501375]
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kinda fits the thread cos it can give life to meaningless
beats


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2016-08-04 20:19 [#02501376]
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you can actually model a beat over a 303 sound. then mute
it, you can hear what it gives


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-08-04 20:21 [#02501377]
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i miss my SH-101 deeply. once i got that, i largely forgot
about TB-303s -- which are unique and special, but cost a
kidney and a legato. the SH-101 can cover most of the same
ground, along with loads of things the TB-303 can't do. but,
absolutely, when it comes to making the sound of a chipmunk
in distress (reaching deep into the brainsteam, slapping it
a couple times until it pays attention) the 303 is king. the
sequencer on the SH-101 is also frustratingly limited. i
wish it had a B section like the MC-202.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-08-04 20:23 [#02501378]
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but then i think about pulsewidth jamming and i honestly
genuinely would rather have my SH-101 back than a TB-303.
are we haggling? devilfish mod, midi, would really put me
into a position of stress and indecision


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-08-04 20:29 [#02501379]
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i always wondered how the FutureRetro 666 was. seems like it
could be the best of both


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-08-04 20:30 [#02501380]
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LAZY_777


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2016-08-04 20:36 [#02501381]
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wow


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-08-04 20:41 [#02501382]
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when sascha konietzko said, "our music is made by computers
because they don't make mistakes" i believe he was referring
to this bassline computer


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2016-08-04 20:42 [#02501384]
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bullshit, the beauty of computer music is the mistake


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2016-08-04 20:45 [#02501385]
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but there are mistakes that sounds good and mistakes that
don't


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2016-08-04 20:54 [#02501387]
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i personally love when Phoscyon goes out of sync, but not
out of time. makes me feel i am making man's music.


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2016-08-04 20:58 [#02501388]
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i used to have drum machines in logic 9 on the previous
laptop going out of sync, creating new patterns out of
nowhere .. awesome


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-08-04 21:00 [#02501389]
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i went around for a while mumbling that 4'33 and jackson
pollock had killed art and now all we get is damien hirst
faux disruption. just like everyone, really. then i found
this and it turned me around. it is the first real
answer i've seen to 4'33. it is perfect for the age of
information overload. there are so many notes you can't hang
on at times, and there may as well be none. then the
software the 14yo kids that uploaded this video glitches out
at the most beautiful moment; perfect slapstick timing


 


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