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for example, stupid parents feeding their children too much in the U.S. I know i care a lot about this as these are the people that i'm going to be operating in society with, but i guess i don't see the pertinence for someone halfway across the globe it matters because this kind of thing becomes normal and over time affects (wink to fleetmouse!!! you handsome devil) other countries' cultural view of such things. this might seem far-fetched but it's not. also, to be quite honest, it's disgusting, given that it's a waste, and that there are millions of people out there starving. Religion matters a hell of a lot on the world-scale. When your government has solid ties to religion, especially the administration at the moment which has its feet firmy entrenched in the murky waters of the bible belt, it very visibly does affect the way america carries herself in the global arena. shopping channels, they're disgusting, ultra consumerist, mindnumbing garbage, and now they're here too. wahey. talkshows, um, the same really. only they also exploit the emotions and ignorance of people pretty dumb people (you've got to be pretty stupid to either be a guest on one or sit through an entire episode). yeah they're here now too. em, as for the conditioning, i have to stress that it wasn't like.. "conditioning" as such. i mean i wasn't brainwashed. Americans just seemed to be doing very stupid things, very frequently, and throwing their weight around the globe very often. And in response to this, the irish were saying "oh for god's sake" and rolling their eyes up to the air. that was the extent of it. |
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redrum - What's all this talk about richer societies? Do you think you are the measure of what a rich society is? Hell, it seems that you think your perspective is the way in which the world should be measured. And about autism - You truly think that it's "normal"? Just part of the spectrum of personality and behaviour? And it'd be normal for this type of "personality" to become more vast in its occurrence? Perhaps you'd accept maybe 25% of the Irish populace to suddenly make such a shift to autism? I'd prefer a "normal" child over one with autism. And if I could have the ability to make the choice before hand, I would. Not that I wouldn't care for a child with autism any less. |
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as for the last point, well, yes, only it's a pity that it doesn't actually work like that. America doesn't seem to be a very nervous actress, does she? Spotlight or spotlight, she'll do what she wants. case in point - look at how much you guys owe the world bank and monetary fund. It's in the hundreds (maybe thousands) of billions. Bush asked for another hundred billion today for the wars he's waging. If that were any other country, they'd not have half of that money in the first place, and they would be sure as hell forced to pay the money back by one way or another. America has all the political and military clout in the world. That's resented very deeply elsewhere. Not simply because it's "unfair that we don't get a go", but because America is acting like a schoolyard bully. |
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i can see where you're coming from, but i still think those pale in comparison to some of the other issues going on right now. and maybe i'm just really used to a lot of that garbage as well, which kind of saddens me. :( |
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As for societies, no, it's merely fact.. I mean, we've [Europeans] existed over here for thousands of years. Our countries are steeped in culture, art, history, etc. Then we go over and absolutely fucking destroy what ancient civilisation there was in the Americas, and start from scratch (and not a very good starting point it was either). Autism - no, it'd not be "normal" for this type of personality to become ever more prevalent. The problem I have is that I'm almost certain that this government agency is going to be researching drugs to try to dull the symptoms of autism, probably turning children totally placid and passive.. and less humanlike. If the results they come back with is something natural and, to me, quite obvious - ie stop eating so much fucking junk food, you're ruining your body and that of your future children, and don't give them so much crud either - and this was adhered to by the vast majority, then that'd be great. really great. and i'd not say another bad word against it. but i doubt that's what'll happen. money makes the world go around |
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i still think those pale in comparison to some of the other issues going on right now absolutely. no doubt about it. maybe i'm just really used to a lot of that garbage as well, which kind of saddens me it's possible, but helpnessness and despair shouldn't be embraced. just keep your eyes open. and thanks for being civil in this thread, it was the last thing i expected (especially after that "you're a waste of space" comment, and due to the awful image people have of me here) and all in all it was a lot of fun. |
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i said you were a waste of space? if it was it was probably because it was in some thread where everyone was just running their mouths about how stupid America is and i just got annoyed. you do annoy me sometimes but i don't think this board would be the same without people like you who have strong beliefs. |
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if it was me* |
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No. I made that comment. I apologized already for it... |
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oh right. i didn't see the apology.. heh sorry for the confusion aphid. take care, good night. |
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[#02017488] at the bottom. theres some bullshit I packed in with it just in case you wanted to snack on it later... sweet dreams |
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LOVE YOU. |
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So you postulate that the time a society is around equals more rich? I understand how one would think that, but I ask anyway. And on the same point, like someone else has pointed out, we haven't been around for that long. Cut us a bit of slack, broheim. And we as society have achieved tremedous (positive) feats that no other country has. Now that you've explained the autism issue concerning pacifing them, I understand what you were saying. That would be horrible. But would you be against genetically irradicating the possibility of giving birth to one? About the junk food - Do you think a law should be passed banning the consumption of such food? It's widely known that too much junk food isn't good for one's self, but it's a person's choice. But also, I think you would say that it isn't quite the choice of the child, as junk food being your theory for autism. One more thing - I also notice that on occasion you post positive things about your country. Is it pride? If it is, there's nothing wrong with it. I find that a lot of people in your neck of the woods couldn't care less about the positives their countries produce. To have pride in one's country and history isn't a bad thing. My pride in America isn't a bad thing either. |
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I dont know what to say to you Mr Brazil.. He went to bed. I'm sorry, but thats what happend. |
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and thanks for being civil in this thread, it was the last thing i expected (especially after that "you're a waste of space" comment, and due to the awful image people have of me here) and all in all it was a lot of fun. I have to be honest that expecting you to be civil most of the time is futile. You are often an ass to others for no reason. And I do understand that "it's just the internet", but to bring up "being civil" now is outlandish. Although, when it's a serious dialogue, you are civil, as I've experienced before and now. Nice speaking with you. |
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Shit. |
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the only really thing about america that scares me about america is the fact that it seems like americans feel a desperate need to hear lies. i mean it's the birthstate of all fak'y and bullshit - jerry springer, teleshopping etc. now it scares me that these programs were created probably after a big research/marketing program so i guess that people really watch this stuff and probably "believe" it as it still has much popularity. i'm starting to think if americans really need to be lied to. maybe some native american could tell me. |
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i can imagine that europe might be quite jealous of america so try to make it look bad. for example the industry - in every country in the world it works the same - it has it's ups and downs, it works in cycles with god years and bad years. in america - constantly rising. europeans just waiting for the big crash which might actually never happen. |
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everyone hates america. i always find it interesting how america was founded by people who wanted to go there, and australia was founded by convicts, and australia is somewhat a lot less fucked up. |
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[i]ahh fuck all this talk[/i] |
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yankeeland does have some culture. they have a decent literary culture for such a young country (look at to kill a mockingbird, huckeberry finn etc.). its just their modern pop culture that is shit. (obscenely vacuous and vague statement there, i know. i just hate hollywood and mcdonalds) |
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totally grateful for the 1950s and jazz culture. thats where it was at! |
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and redrum is right on autism. its not a fucking disease. just a pointless umbrella term to cover shy, introverted or "quirky" and "weird" people. i guarantee you. |
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dont know if i agree with you there. id fit your description to attention-deficit. but autism is an extreme condition. |
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i'm supposed to have it. or aspergers, whatever. its a pile of crap. i just have a "quirky" sense of humour and am a bit introverted, but i still have a "normal" life. and i get labelled as an invalid for it. |
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i also had fairly intense attention-deficit as a kid, i eventually grew out of it. |
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Autism is the inability to process the input from outside to your brain due to problems in mental configuration. It's not being shy or introverted. It's a complete disconnection from the outside world. |
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i presume there are varying degrees of it. but i was just told i was autistic and nothing more. i dont have any inability to process shit from outside or anything. there are certainly loads of "autistic" people who are just shy but otherwise perfectly "normal". |
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A bit quirky, hah, you're a fucking spacker. My brother has aspergers and there's quite a difference between that and someone who's shy with a "quirky sense of humor", though you do appear to have some obsessive compulsion to live up to every single student stereotype, so something's missing in your brain. |
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Shit, it's so nce and refreshing to see the vast majority of the people in this thread stay calm and talking and debating as if it was real life instead of knowing that they can be rude as fuck because they are hiding behind an online persona. |
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For God's sake, I wish we'd stop talking about "America" being this and "America" being that. I'm not that well travelled, but even I can notice that the difference between states in America is as vast, if not more so, then the cultural differences between countries in Europe. A lot of these criticisms about "lack of culture" or the general stupidity of people do not match my experiences of folk in New York or even parts of California. If anything, I've had more interesting conversations in certain parts of America with complete strangers within a few days then I've had in years in England. |
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I wonder is an attack on the US an attack on "us?" |
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haha. nice play on words. GHEY! |
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I have the awesome awesome combination of a really really bad hangover and still being drunk |
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I am not incredibly patriotic, but I think I am a bit, because I know that my country has played a role in creating who I am, and that I am partly my country. I am only really going to contest the statement that there is absolutely no culture in America. Where did you go, Ohio? |
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My sentiments exactly. |
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oh fuck off why don't you, do you stay calm and polite when you'rre debating in rreal life? i don't. |
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Yeah, I do actually. You can't really get anywhere without it. There's no point in just yelling at each other because then you can't hear each other's points and there's no possibility of talking the other person round to your way of thinking. It's much better if you can let the other person talk and say what they are saying, wait until they have finished and then say what you've got to say. It quite often ends up that the other person will mirror your behaviour and listen to what you're saying too. It avoids pointless arguments and allows you to stay on pleasant terms with the other person after the debate, even if you disagree about the topic you were discussing. |
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Also if you stay calm and talk normally, they feel like a complete nobhead shouting their point across and run out of steam if you're not shouting back at them, so they usually start talking at a quiter volume too. Keeping the volume of a discussion down usually helps to prevent it from getting agro and out of hand. I suppose this is the kind of stuff that is missing from online debates which is why they quickly get agressive and out of control |
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I usually find in real world debates (or rather, "diasgreements") the person shouting the loudest or being most impolite is usually the one in the wrong. |
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Yeah, perhaps they think that the volume of their voice will make up for the fact their opinions suck! :D |
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Once more, without passion. |
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What is American English? Is that like when we say friend and you say mate? |
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I would like to move to California. |
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Writing "Color", rather than "Colour", saying "Aloominum" instead of "Aluminium". That sort of thing. |
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redrum seems to be operating from a very narrow and foolish viewpoint and I want the 40 minutes of my life back reading this stupid thread. I have bbc America. So I know every thing there is to know about the UK and I'm not afraid to use them. Just try me you Limey ;-) |
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What an awful waste of time getting upset on a regular basis over how people spell things in another country. Let alone pronunciation. Amused is one thing, but upset? Foolish. Redrum's parents sound like fools which would be very appropriate. |
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i tend to agree, but wrong isn't the right word imo more like the person shouting is the most unsure of his point/facts... fear of being wrong (or proven wrong) is what generaly push things towards yelling as for america, it's clear that sweeping generalizations aren't going to be right but americans have to understand that via their leaders they put themselves in a position of leader of the world, so they bear a greater responsibility for their acts which usually influence the whole world as for amercian "culture" being badly seen i think it is because it was (and still is) subtly forced in other countries, resulting in less interest for the countries' national culture but americans shouldn't be blamed for everything, it's just that it's up to them and nobody else to change the situation in their country, and that is also why people around the world have a big ressentiment towards them, because they feel they don't do enough to better the situation peace! |
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imo it's not little differences like color/colour etc... it's probably more profound missusing/signification change of words and thus of concepts but i'm neither english nor american so :p just trying to see what redrum meant anyway there is classic analogy to compare america and europe "amercia is like the young fool full of energy hungry to change the world whereas europe is like the old sage who knows but never act in fear of doing wrong" when are we going to REALLY work hand in hand to make the world a better place uh UH? :D teamwork is where it's at ! |
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im gonna move to southern california got me a ride and a reason to ignore you got me a radio aint got no speakers aint much use so im leaving it leaving it for you im leaving it for you could be by for you gotta find a room and im running out of money staying out late but i gotta get up early why did i move to southern california? smile gets so blue someone shoulda warned you they shoulda warned you could be by by could be by for you why did i move? [southern california] why did i move? [southern california southern california] why did i move? [southern california southern california southern california southern california] why did i move to southern california? |
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