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beleive = belief. publiched = published. me = little too much to drink. |
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"needless provocation" is simply your interpretation of it. and regardless of that, why on earth shouldn't a paper be allowed to print something provocative? |
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a good friend of mine in Brighton wrote an insightful article about this to learn a young muslim person's perspective on the issue. |
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It's all our own interpretations though. That's what we're offering here. |
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no, because i'm not offering any interpretation. i'm saying no matter what the cartoon could possibly be or mean, it should be permitted to see print. |
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well, depicting holy people is indeed forbidden and since this is religious people i understand their anger. i think my opinion on this matter is very similar to yours. i saw an interview the other day on the tv with the president of the muslim association here in iceland. he's from palestine, been living here for more than 20 years, has an icelandic wife and kids and stuff. he's a really nice and a clever guy as well. so anyway, what he had to say about the issue was that he didn't see the depiction of muhammed as the worst thing. it wasn't that big of a deal for him. but for muhammed to be depicted with a bomb on his head was a serious issue because by that the author showed islam as a religion of terrorism. the president saw no purpose for the picture other than to fuel prejudice. he himself has said that he will boycott danish products for some time, which i find rather strange since he is a sensible guy. but this is his way of saying that he isn't pleased with what has been done and this is a very mild protest in my opinion. he doesn't like the burning of flags because the danish flag, for example (and all the nordic flags for that matter), is a religious symbol. |
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And where did I say they shouldn't be allowed to print it? Right the way through this topic you have posted based on your own interpretations of what others have written, and you have mostly got something wrong in that interpretation. |
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how do you figure? |
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what did you mean by this, then: it would be politically grounded but can you see it being accepted or publiched in any major publication in a Christian country? It's double standards and not free speech. aren't you implying there that it is outside the realm of free speech and shouldn't be published because of double standards? |
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No-one here is going to say anything in any response that is definitive. Without getting too philosophical about it, everything is opinion and interpretation :) |
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"I want someone who actually could sympathise with the Muslims" |
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>i mean those are religious people (it's not a plural word in icelandic :)). |
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No, I'm saying that magazines would choose not to publish a depication of Jesus bum fucking a minor for fear of financial ruin. |
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i really don't think i'm getting philosophical at all here, guys. i'm saying the content of the cartoon is irrelevant. if it's a pro-nazi cartoon, a pro-astronauts cartoon, it doesn't matter. no government that respects free speech should ban it. that's all i'm saying. |
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I'm suprised to. He does come across as an intelligent man. Denmark hasn't done this though it's a some daft newspaper. He and the 4 other muslims in Iceland aren't going to make any change to anything. |
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word! |
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Besides, you only exercise free speech if you are willing to accept the repercussions. For example, if I were to meet you and you exercised free speech in calling me a twat or something then I would hospitalise you. This is just the same thing on a bigger scale . |
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I like Stephen Fry too. he is somewhat of a hero of mine. there, I said it. |
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That's perfectly reasonable. The protest is, in my opinion, in proportion to the level of insult. I'm all about keeping things to a sensible level. Man, I'm so boring. I think I'll go away or something. |
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haha! I'd love to fight now. I just would. |
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here's a question, especially for you: if at all possible, and I must warn you - be prepared, we're entering the world of dreams and make belief- if it were possible, would you mate with your recordcollection and have a tiny new recordcollection that would slowly grow bigger? |
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then i would have to excercise the laws about you going to jail. it doesn't seem like anyone would come out a winner when some asshole decides to use violence, does it? |
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That's a defeatest attitude. His actions have at least managed to appear on an electronic music board, plus he will have more of an effect than a flag burner on moderates. |
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well, there's this free speech thingie.. it doesn't really seem to be all that simple. If someone prints something just to provoke there's no meaning to it.. I think that's what ecna's getting at.. if I'm wrong, or even more confusing, nevermind. |
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hehe, they're well over 1000. but yes, they aren't going to make a change, but they'll make a change for themselves, in they're own heart. |
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I've never been put in jail before for using violence, what makes you so special that you think you would be the one to manage it? |
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lol. i guess there aren't much graphics in this book |
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stop this nonsense man, you're factual, you're not boring :) |
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re: keeping it in proportion. It is only to us it seems silly to get worked up about a picture, but I think they actually are keeping it in proportion to the the insult they feel it is! |
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Exactly. They aren't making a point, they are simply looking for cheap publicity...sad thing is that their revenue increase will be paid for with lives. |
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His actions have managed to appear on an electronic music board without any backing though. It's like i-x-ten saying 'I'm leaving xltronic' etc. |
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haha :) |
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I suspect that any mating would simply result it gooey CDs and after a few days you wouldn't be able to open the booklets. But, if it were possible, then, no. I wouldn't. because it's grow up to be a little twat like all bloody kids these days. Bloody long haired work-shy layabouts don't know the meaning of a hard days work not like in my day when you'd work 26 hours a day down t'pit and come home and shovel coal for another 6. |
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i understand, to a degree, the "no-picture thing". it has to do with idolisation of people and like judaism and christianity, islam is a monotheism and they try to respect that. i've always found it strange how catholocis, for example (no insult intended), idolise saints and worship them, when christianity is a monotheism... |
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Why do you want to tear us apart, Mastah? |
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you sound very tough. i sure wouldn't like to be the one in your hypothetical point. |
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This was what I was intimating in my first post. Each to his own. It's just my opinion that it's out of proportion. I will always disagree with most violent solutions to problems, and others will always disagree with me, and never the twain etc. |
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I know it is a bit of a daft comparison but when Ghandi walked to the sea and made salt dispite the fact the british strictly forbade it he didn't have every indian with him making salt...his minimal actions helped to change the mind set of a people. Over this bombhead thing there are going to be people who blindly saw only the "muslims being irrational" viewpoint who will have altered their views because of the way this man has conducted himself. |
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Catholics don't worship saints...they pray to saints for help because they beleive that they were people appointed by god to help people. |
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I'm not really able to tell: is that guy who wrote it a muslim, or is it some sort of half-fiction or something? |
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what the hell are you on about, it would just be a bunch of tiny records that would grow bigger over time. |
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at any rate, you've got that wrong. the point of free speech under a government is that you are protected to say what you have to say. people must have the ability to speak out without being oppressed by a force. you're talking about street justice, which is just the pathetic reality of our society that doesn't really accept free speech anyway. |
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Don't be daft! You're living in a dreamworld! Tiny records indeed. |
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that is probably true but i still think that the God of the 10 commandments wouldn't be all to happy with that. but of course i'm not catholic so i don't know anything about that. my point here is that this no-picture-thing in islam might have been established to prevent idolisation of people instead of allah. |
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yeah, I hate violence too.. I chose civil service (or whatever the translation is) over going to the army.. we all have to go (unless we do civil service), and all they do is teach us how to kill.. fucking army wankers. I think that these silly pictures of Mohammed is, like, the worlds largest "YO MAMA" insult.. it's enough to get someone killed, and I think I mostly agree with ecna: if anyone knew they'd be provoking people with these pictures, they should just let sleeping dogs lie... |
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oh....... not here! its everywhere, that fucking case is everywhere..................... its simply amazing how much fuzz a few drawings can cause. its totally ridiculous, welcome to culture clash number fucking one. i mean, isnt it silly, that i as a dane, should feel threatned by something i clearly didnt do? theres this guy abu laban, danish spearhead of some islamic foundation, he travelled the middleeast to spread the news that mohmmad has been drawn... and now look at this mess.. this guy goes on national danish television and says he is sorry about everything.. then 2 hours later he supports the actions taken by muslims on al-jazzeera. but i guess this is what happens when you do business with islamic countries, u have to apply to their laws n stuff.. fuck this is ridiculous... mess of a text, i know.. |
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I deed kind of warn you about that. oh well, nevermind, NO NEVERMIND! |
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what, then, with trials where people are given compensation because someone has said something that offended them? |
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I'm a bit faithless so I have no real opinion on catholics or any other branch of christianity other than trying to respect their beliefs (hard as it is some times) Saying that, and relating to the personification of god, look at how the image of Jesus/God has been perverted into the blue eyed, white european. |
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