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forrget it |
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yeah, it's really easy to learn Drunken Mastah real name... |
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hehe.. except for an un-roman character, of course... |
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You're young. |
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Orr he could have just told me, now that's rreal easy. |
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I'd still like to know why first.. I can't really think of a reason... |
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you're [unknown] |
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Anus_Presley > funny, i made a topic about this problem too on another board a few days ago! i was wondering if "too much music could kill the music"... i have less joy and impatience now when i receive a package of CDs, and there are some albums i loved but didn't listen to them more than two or three times, which is a shame... still, i love listening to music as much as i always did. try to dig out some albums among your favourites you got some years ago but which you haven't listened to for a long time, and listen to them quietly in your bed, while not doing anything else... it helped me : ) as for not giving enough tries for difficult albums, i don't know - i got Trout Mask Replica by Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band a few days ago, and my initial reaction was "?" (not really negative, but really "?".) then i gave it another try but it was still "?". i stopped meanwhile and listened to another album instead. i'll force myself to give it other tries though, seeing how much people find it to be a masterpiece! but i'm not sure this is because i have too much other music to listen to, i remember my first listens to Coil and Radiohead were difficult too and i did gave up with them for a few months (or even years with Radiohead), i felt like i feel with Captain Beefheart now... i know now that giving up isn't a good idea. maybe you can "train" yourself to get used to some kind of difficult music, even if it's pretty limited... after getting used to Autechre, my first listen to Confield was the best, i didn't need much time to get into this one since i knew Autechre already. this said, it's still pretty limited, knowing Frank Zappa or The Residents aren't helping me much for the Captain and Coil only helped me a little getting into NWW. |
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I'm 23. A/S/L? |
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" i'll force myself to give it other tries though, seeing how much people find it to be a masterpiece!" that's the problem right there. fuck everyone else.. if you don't like it, you don't like it.. everyone else may like it, but it just isn't an album for you. |
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i'm 19. the rest is obvious. |
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It's just morre perrsonal than Drunken Mastah, that's all. |
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Jesus Christ you're all serious today Bjorn (is that what your friends call you?). |
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Trout Mask Replica is a harrd album to get into because it doesn't gel, orr at least it doesn't seem to, but it does, it just takes yourr brrain a good few trries to put it togetherr. So arre you saying Uzim should give up, Drunken Mastah, not allow his brrain time to put the puzzle togetherr? Sometimes you have to rread a complicated sentence twice, but it doesn't mean you should thrrow the book away. |
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anus: in that case: Torbjørn. puppy: Tobben, mostly. |
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music has nothing to do with the brain. it's emotions. it's spontane (spelling?) and instant. it'll hit you, or it'll fly through your ears (like pop-music through my ears) and straight out the other side. |
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Drunken Mastah > many of my favourite albums now are ones i didn't like that much on first listens, actually! and there are some i loved on first listen and that i don't find that good now... it depends, really. on the music, and a lot on the listener, too... the behaviour towards "difficult" music, and also which music is perceived as "difficult" (i have more trouble getting into Lou Reed than i had getting into Aphex Twin). now you're probably right, at least to some extent: for the albums i didn't like on first listen, but that i love now, it rarely took more than two, three, or four listens. but i don't think the first listen matters that much - if you give an album many tries, i think (i hope!) it's because you have the feeling/intuition that there is "something" in it that's growing... even a little "something", if i feel it and feel that it's growing, i'll keep trying. if not, if the "something" remains small, doesn't grow or just a little with the mood then gets small again, i'll give up after some listens - i did with Geogaddi, Venetian Snares or ep7. for Trout Mask Replica, i'll still give it a few tries, if after 6 or 7 listens it still doesn't grow, i think i'll give up. |
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emotions arre all forrmed in the brrain. |
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your post does not refer to anything i said. do you really think that emotions cannot be learned? |
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and, btw... a musical experience is always influenced by the setting in which it takes place. first listening to trout mask replica while skateboarding will propably give you a very different first taste than listening to it first at a friends funeral. (p.s.: one of the must overrated albums ever). |
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I think as you get older, well as I get older, I lose a bit of enthusiasm for music. I used to go to loads of gigs and then, the last 5 or 6 years, nearly none. The music I listen to now is mainly from my old "classic" favourites that I never get bored of, I like some new music but even if I really like it, i quickly bore of it. That said, I always like Bowie's new albums.... |
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Look, when you meet a girrl in a pub you don't love herr do you... no... something attrracts you to herr so you get to know herr then you fall in love. I know people a couple who hated each otherr to begin with, they went to school togetherr, now they arre marrrried happily with childrren. |
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not at all, most albums and songs that i like at first are usualy the ones I get bored of quickly. |
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nothing is formed in the brain. the brain is a central nerve-system. i find it impossible to believe that electric currents in a grey mass can genrate such complex things as feelings and thoughts. I'm being bombastic, and I know it, but still... where would we be if people weren't bombastic? |
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pretty esoteric, isn´t it? |
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I'm Mr. Boombastic say me fantastic touch me in my back she says I'm MrRo...mantic I'm Mr. Boombastic say me fantastic touch me in my back she says boom boom boom I'm Mr. Boombastic say me fantastic touch me in my back she says I'm MrRo...mantic I'm Mr. Boombastic say me fantastic touch me in my back she says boom boom boom |
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how is what I said there esoteric? |
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you're like really getting on my nerves with this thread... goodness man, just because you can't get into music if you don't like it on the first listen doesn't mean other people don't... how can you be so all-consuming with your "theory" here... it's bullshit... music is about understanding, feeling, thought, everything... a song with lyrics mighten become emotional to you until you understand the background of where the story came from, or what inspired the lyrics... like really, this is bullshit cause I know myself that I've absolutely hated albums with the first listen, and now love them... do you think I'm trying to convince myself I love them because I'll be cool? Do you not think I really love them or something? I don't understand what the hell you're talking about here... |
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exactly. |
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The brain is extremely complex. Reductionists have located specific regions responsible for "feelings". A human's personality is the projection of his brain to his body. |
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"I don't understand what the hell you're talking about here..." clearly (said in a snobby way). that was jesting. now, to the point. an artist may keep his original work and its meaning, but it is only his work and it only has his meaning as long as he is the only one that hears it. interpretation of the work (inerpretation is not necessarily a cognitive process) is up to each individual reciever. the artist looses the possibility to control his work once the work has been introduced to the world. other peoples feelings ("thoughts") about something should not affect YOUR thoughts about it, and that is what it does.. why else would you spend hours "getting into" an album? what do you think you get from it? you should spend more time finding albums you DO like and less time bothering with crappy shit albums you hate. |
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they have located areas that become active when it comes to certain feelings.. not necesseraily responsible for them... those are two different things.. if you think like that, pain doesn't come from anywhere but inside the brain.. when someone pokes you with a needle, the pain doesn't come from the needle piercing the skin and disrupting nerve-thingies, it comes from within the brain, and the process to create the pain started a loooong time before the needle even broke your skin. In that case, our brain must have the ability to look into the future. The brain doesn't think. |
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huh, can you please quit telling me the reasons for why I spend my time listening to music? I listen to music that I might not adore on the first listen because I realize that good music takes time... and why wouldn't it? You say that you get used to it, but you don't feel it... that's bullshit... you need to understand the music before you can feel it... I just don't like the way you're saying "Ok guys, this is the way it is, so go fuck off"... cause it's obviously not the way it is... basically everyone here but you are saying that good music takes time to get into... but we're all wrong, and you're right... |
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Do you use first impressions to judge only music? Or do you apply this rule to everything? Also, have you ever turned sour on something you previously loved? Theres albums I adored when I first heard them; not I wonder what I was thinking when I bought them. |
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well.. think about it.. where does the notion that there is "more to this" come from? did you think it up on your own? i sincerely doubt that, 'cause when you experience something you don't like (like torture), the initial reply is NOT to think "ahh.. there must be more here. I'll endure it." you HAVE been told SOMEHOW that "there must be more here." |
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I use first impressions for everything (except for math and other science-ish things that require cognitivie processes.. I hate them, but I can understand them). turned sour: yep, but mostly songs that I've ever only listened to while drunk. |
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Man this a very complicated subject. I'm having this chain reaction of thoughts but can't define them enough to put them in words... oh well |
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You are wrong. Neural transmitions are extremely fast. The needle doesn't cause pain. Pain comes from the triggering of certain "pain receptors" in the skin. They are extensions of the brain. In that manner feelings emerge from the brain. They are a response to a certain stimulus always biochemical. The stimulus may come from the brain : for example opiates like endorphin, or from social conditioning that again results to biochemical responses(it's a matter of time before all of this is unravelled). |
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I think, before the Internet where you can get any music instantly, and before kids had credit cards, you did have to actually listen to the music either before you made the decision to buy it, or when you had bought it because you didn't have 10GB of ambient glitch to wade through. Music has been cheapened. |
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I still don't see any value to your arguements... how can you explain how I've begun liking albums that after one listen I hated? That has happened, so you're obviously wrong here... |
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it really has nothing to do with why one chooses to keep listening to an album they dislike at first... the fact of the matter is that after continueing to listen, I HAVE gotten into many albums... |
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I havnt read this whole thread. I just wanted to say to anus: take a break. Listen to absolutely no music for a week. Or longer. See how long you can go, until it drives you nuts. the music you hear will be the sweetest sound ever, after that. if this has already been said, well, fuck it, its worth saying again. |
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well.. you put much more faith in that grey dot up there than I do. It is a computer.. it doesn't act on its own, it needs instructions. but i've got to back tomorrow or something... |
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I hated 'boys for pele' when i first heard it and thought it was her weakest album, after a while i thought i'd give it another chance and now its my favourite album of hers. and what 'about is this desire' by pj harvey, lots of people hated it at first and now its most peoples favourite album of hers... etc etc, most of the best albums are ones that are not so easy to get into, that are challenging, that need a little time... if i threw away albums i didn't like at first i'd probably be missing out on 80% of the amazing music i own. |
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'boys for pele' by Tori Amos btw i hate it when this message board tells me to relax, i feel like throwing the computer out of the window!!! |
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this argument is very interesting. drunken mastah, if the brain does not think i'd like to know what it does do |
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Well it's always gambling anyway. It's just that from my supposed studies I've gotten to see how people can change from a simple chemical irregularity. I guess it's a matter of faith or gambling but it works so far. The whole debate about whether there is a soul or there is a false self awareness of the brain is very difficult because nothing has been proven. Either way I'm not articulate enough to write my thoughts down in english. |
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and: what is thinking instead. - that´s what i meant when i said "esoteric". |
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right, judging by your first impression is always stupid... you can never know the intimate details of something just by one viewing, or listening, or meeting, or whatever... it takes time to get to know someone... it takes time to get into a book and figure out the plot... and it takes time sometimes to really get into a good album... who knows how it works and why you like certain albums? It's about emotion, but also about understanding, and everything works together... shrug, as the old saying goes, don't judge a book by it's cover! |
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Great topic guys, nice read, but I got to say, is there really a place named Dildo? That's wacked out |
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