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but you're not getting my point. i don't like any of the parties because they never ever do what they say they're gonna do. it's all fucking lies, just so that they can get into power. i won't be a part of it. not you, or anyone else will make me and don't tell me what i have the right to complain about - the whole point of an opinion is that it's how i think. unless you're gonna employ some kind of mind grooming techniques used in, oooh lets say 1984, then you're not getting anywhere by saying something like that. i'm sorry for being so vehemently angry over this, but i will not be told what to do and what not to do. if i don't wanna vote, that's up to me. not anyone else. if someone doesn't like it, go and suck on one of those white dog shits that you see on the street when all the flies have sucked all the "goodness" out of it. |
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Yes, someone I know who doesn't vote anymore has a saying, "10% of the populance not voting is voter apathy, 40% of the populance not voting is protest. " Meaning, whilst some are just people to0 apolitical/lazy to vote, a great deal more are expressing that they are not happy with any of the major parties. |
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its a shame there isnt a 'fuck off and die you middle right scum, and congratulations on adopting other peoples policies you fucking twats so there's no fucking difference what i vote' box, otherwise i wouldve bothered. |
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Man I totally see your point, I just don't agree with it. If you think all the parties are crap, vote for the least crap one so that you get the least crap government. Makes sense. You don't have to like who your voting for. By voting you are at least restricting the worst ones. |
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i was gonna make up a party and vote for it on the form, but my mom told me that it was illegal to do that, so i didn't :( but then someone in work told me that you can put an X over the whole sheet and that's classed as a void vote. is that illegal? |
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but... (oscillik you can skip this if you like because i'm not talking about you in particular and it might just make you angrier and if it does...i warned you) year after year of "i'm not happy, i'm not voting" has got to wear a person down, don't you think? i would guess that eventually such a situation will eventually lead to a.) a vote b.) lifelong misery, or c.) a couple of years in jail for blowing up a car |
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that's like saying there's 4 types of food for you to eat here: 1: Cat Shit 2: Dog Shit 3: Human Shit 4: Rat Shit choose which one is the least nasty to eat. i would choose none simple |
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oscillik, voting is annomous so you can do what you like on your ballot |
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how can you say that a lifelong of not voting will lead to that? |
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absolutely not. i was thinking of doing that myself. if voting changed anything it would be made illegal. remember that. |
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i don't think it is - i'm sure that the postal voting sheets we've got in England have your name on them |
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shall we find out about Emanuel Goldstein? we can go and find him if you wanna? |
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No its not, because unfortunately in society you can't opt out of politics. You can't argue that politics doesn't affect your life. Unforunately you're going to have to eat some of the shit. |
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clint, i can choose what i want to do (for the time being). if it ever gets to the point where we're facing a situation that resembles 1984 I shall change my name to Emanuel Goldstein and I shall do my best to overthrow it all. or i could just sit here and die |
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and yes i can argue that politics doesn't affect my life, because i don't support lying bastards. i'm not a lying bastard myself either. i try my best to not have anything to do with lying bastards. |
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very true |
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if you're gonna turn around and say something like the ID card fiasco is to do with politics, no it's not. it's to do with being put on a leash. plain and simple. |
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new labour = old tories. Sorry, I don't want to get into party politics too much, but it had to be said ;) Oscillick: You can write "CUNT, CUNT, BULLSHIT BOLLOCKS!" in inch high letters across it if you want. Regardless of the legallity, they could never, ever prosecute you for it, as it would be a blatant admission that the ballot is no secret :) |
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ah ha! i'll remember that next time there's a vote! ANARCHY IN THE UK |
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Oscillik: Yes, the ID card is reactionary wank to a "heightened terrorist threat" (and I'm a Conservative!). Reasons the ID card will be a sham, if implemented: 1. The general populance do not want it. A scheme such as this needs public buy in to work. 2. The legislation has been rushed in, as such it will be poorly written and ill defined. Expect a massive lack of clarity, and a hell of a lot of profits for cynical defense lawyers. 3. Unless it there is a composite primary key of some "Redundant", unique DNA (by that I mean unique to a single generation of the family and redundant in the sense that it contains no info on race, etc.) and some unforgeable biometrey, that will not change over time/through injury (none exists to my knowledge), it'll be far from fool proof. If it cannot identify a person with utter certainty (far more than reasonable doubt), it will simply lull people into a false sense of security and actually provide serious terrorists/career criminals with "perfect" false identites: currently even with a passport/driving license courts bear in mind that person may not be who the ID says they are. If ID does not offer this greater level of insurance, it is redundant (just use Passport & driving license). |
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Being put on a leash by the government is exactly politics, thats what I'm saying! But alas I am done debating. Peace. |
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I know someone who wrote "Fuck the state" on their ballot paper and has never gotten in trouble about it. It must liven up the boring job of counting the votes ;-) |
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i don't like the idea of these ID cards, because of the Sandra Bollock film The Net. that shit could actually happen. that's really scary |
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that's the bomb. i'm gonna think something up over the next few years, and wait until the next one :) |
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you own a mobile phone? at any time you can be tracked to 2 metres (if its switched on). AT ANY TIME. they are slowly introducing this system into cars, this is what scares me. |
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yes i have been aware of this for years they'll introduce this system into everything if they want to |
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they do want to and they will. its up to the public to stand against this. |
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Absolutely :) |
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Now if there was a party who guaranteed that they wouldn't do that, then I might vote |
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and voting will do fuck all to change it. we need something more substantial. |
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Revolution? |
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oh hello. who says protest doesnt go unnoticed? blair thinks he can get awat from anything. at least if you protest if gets on the news and that is a good thing. on a smaller note, i was extremely disturbed to find on "big brother 5" (UK) "they" were so scared that they threw the radical out. as we all know al the votes every week are manipulated by what you see (what they decicde to show). they were so shit scared, its even more fucking clear the whole thing is a scam. |
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I thought leftists would dislike Kitten's antics. Although I have seen very little of it and, like you say they choose what to show, she seemed to have the intellect of a malcontent child. She was such a charicature of your typical radical that one might almost think she was some actress on the right's payroll... Whilst I concede that "they" choose what to show, it is important to remember that people still have to do what is shown- if you are perfectly reasonable 24/7 there is no way they can portray you as an utter cunt, agreed? |
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i see Labour did well, haha |
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They threw Kitten out because she had received three formal warnings for rule-breaking. Three strikes and you're out. |
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You might think she was an actress on someone's payroll, but the press would have worked that out and reported it within a couple of days had it been the case. |
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I don't vote, because every party has more bad than good about it... |
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Ballot papers don't have your name on them, but they do have an ID number which can be linked to your name. The purpose of this is to assist in investigations concerning electoral fraud. Such access to ballot papers can only be granted by a specially convened Electoral Court and has been from time to time. |
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"The reality is, the VAT on confectionary (cakes, sweets, candy, biscuits, pies, etc.) pays for any additional "health costs" more than 4 times over. " There is only VAT on food that has been prepared and served. This includes things like meals in a restaurant or hot takeaway food. There's no VAT on the food you buy at a supermarket, chocolate from the newsagent, etc. |
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I didn't say I thought she was- I don't. I just said her antics were so stupid that you wouldn't have to be delusional to see it that way... Re: VAT, sorry, you're wrong- confectionary is VATed. The question is simply what constitutes confectionary. Anything you eat frozen (Including things like ice cream, choc ices, lollies, etc.), Crisps, Popcorn (already popped, eg ready to eat), carbonated drinks like Coke, lemonade etc. chocolate bars (although not chocolate covered things like jaffa cakes), etc. are all included. Although it's a very grey area (and there are lots of cases about it, even now) the basic rule is: if something is a luxury rather than a neccessity, it's VATable. You don't need chocolate bars, ice cream, etc. as part of a balanced diet, hence they're luxuries. |
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how many people here made a protest vote? It seems a lot of people did, Labour is 3rd, behinind Liberal Democrats and Conservative :) |
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in that you will starve. |
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in that case you will starve sorry |
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question: how can you be talking about "the european elections?" As far as I know, there is no collective voting going on all over europe... |
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i hate it when people say they don't vote because they hate all the parties. if you don't do politics then you really don't have an opinion as far as society is concerned |
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its the EU, which Norway are not in, so you're not involved. go and sit in the corner with switzerland |
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If you don't do politics? hating all the existing parties isn't equal to not being interested in politics.. on the contrary, dear sir, it is a sign of true enlightenment that comes only when you have researced every party to the extent that you realize that none of them are any good. I haven't thought of an alternative yet, but I'm working on it. re: EU. Then this thread should be called "EU elections," and not the more pretentious "european elections," where one assumes that all countries are part of EU. |
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I forgot to vote. |
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at least you are working on it most people say that they're not interested because they can't be bothered and think that it doesn't matter, when it really it does. unfortunately voting is often picking the lesser of several evils |
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yes, and that's what I dislike. The best idea I've had so far (although a bit hard to do in real-life, I think), is to have one party per cause, and then people could enter the parties they thought were important. Everyone could start a party (a cause), but each party would only be represented in government based upon membership-numbers (so if you start a party for creating a new type of houses that were made completely of eatable materials, and had only yourself in the party, you most likely wouldn't be represented). The problem would be keeping track of all the members and making sure there was no cheating with the numbers, and creating easy ways of entering and leaving a party. |
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