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well: take it or leave it >:( |
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Big - Corrupted Girl was quoting me, she's not the dirty one. And " i think we now are civilized enough to not eat meat." Is trying to force your opinon as fact, making you look as stupid as anyone you're trying to put down. |
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chill: it Ãs my opinion i furthermore understand that some people like to eat meat more than i do, when people say that i understand a civilized girl (that not the word i'm looking for, yes: decent) would laugh about that |
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stop hidding is those bushes or is there something interesting going on there? |
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promo wrote: "Animals kill other animals and in far far less humane ways than we do. You know what happens in the wild. " Animals hunt & kill. That?s mostly it. Cat?s often play with their food before eating, but the difference is that the bird, mouse etc were FREE before the Cat caught it... I haven?t seen any other animals having farms & meatindustry as humans have? Being rightwing you are pretty predictable yourself (though I?m too polite too say in what way) :P |
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I was going to ignore your witless postings as of yesterday (I don't think anyone should dignify your retarded ass with a response anymore) but you're a bit like a fly on a picinc trip. So... Tell me, how does someone as young as you hold such vehement right-wing veiws? (I know you're pretty young because of the sheer infantile content of your posts. Hey, maybe that's why George Bush holds such an appeal over you?). Does daddy have a large collection of Nazi memorabillia locked away? He must be a big influence on you, eh? Did Mum beat you within an inch of your pointless life everytime you showed any overt sign of compassion or altruistic behaviour? Get a back-hander for bending down to stroke a puppy on the street, did you? Did they constantly scream in your ear over breakfast the virtues of the Neo-Liberal free-market and super-glued posters of Adam Smith on the walls of your room? Poor old Tory-boy. It must be really frustrating being alienated from your peer group. I bet you watch them at play from your bedroom window, a solatary tear trickling from you pudgey face, wishing just once that they'd invite you to join them. Man, you've endured psychological torture no small child should be subjected to. But it does go a long way in explaining your sneering and sniping on this board. They have turned you into a soul-less, spirit-less wastoid. So, I'm not angry with your continued assertion that I'm some kinda nut. S'ok. I understand. Oh... just one more thing. Reply to this if you must but don't expect anymore replies from me to any of your (pointless) posts. OK? |
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yet another follow up to pomme: egg-white is the term for this food element thats mainly found in meat, at least in dutch thats the term. thought i'd clear this up cause you might now think i'm this little 8 year old. which is incorrect: i'm 6. wheeeeee |
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Re: not knowing about eating meat. Yep, there's a bit of a joke among some chefs I'm matey with, "(insert person's name here) may think they're vegetarian, but..." In many restaurants you'll find traces of meat in most vegetarian dishes be it from being cooked/stored too closely to meat, utensils not being cleaned between handling meat etc. It's for this reason that I think it's a bit silly (even childish) to kick up a fuss (especially at a mate who has just cooked you dinner's house) over a small amount of something that contains meat derivatives e.g. a stock cube, worcester sauce etc. but not actual pieces of food resembling (or even tasting like) chunks of meat etc. Fair enough if it's for religious reasons, but if it's only for ethical/health reasons I'd tolerate the odd bit of meat extract in foods. I used to be a vegetarian as a child, but in my mid to late teens began eating meat again. I still enjoy vegetarian cuisine quite regularly (I've got some cooking in the oven right now as it happens) so long as it's not "meat substitue and two veg" every day. That said, the past four days I've lived largely on meat (barbeque weather). Colon cancer here I come ;) |
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Peloton, Don't flatter yourself. You only exist because of me. Lol. |
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the eating of meat is largely responsible for the advanced evolution of the human brain. its no coincidence that many of the most advanced animals are meat eaters. but enjoy your veggies.. more meat for me. |
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yes but theres a difference between the fresh lifeblood of a young cheetah and the diseased, depressed beef that we consume today.. |
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meaning the reason i dont eat meat is because of the food and drug administration. i think the sacrificial or ritualistic slaying/eating of animal is acceptable. |
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agreed, im vegetarian because first of all i dont like meat, secondly i dont like the whole system based on this unseen "killing machine". not only is this torturous to the animals but the workers themselves who get seriously hurt. my idea: if you want meat, go kill the animal yourself instead of paying someone you dont know to do it. |
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ok... not in the mood for reading through all posts, but I'm a vegetarian to. I eat a rawfood-vegan diet, and it kicks ass. The real diet for real people, if you know what I mean. :) |
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oh no it's left wing vs right wing again. and the left wingers are calling the right wingers idiots again, right? yeah, it happens. I remember when my mates all went to first year uni and went radical left wing. A few years later now and we've all moderated our views. |
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there are always someone VS someone, I learned that from Street Fighter II. |
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Eat meat don't eat meat, don't feel guilty if you do, fuck if you have to feel guilty about eating meat i'll just go and kill myself now. |
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id eat meat biscuits if someone invented them |
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I had a pizza tonight with fourr differrent types of meat on it, and do you know... I woofed it back. |
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4 different types of dog meat? |
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I was too hungrry to carre, but it was tangy, what does that say? |
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probably maggot-infested. unlucky. |
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Hey!! In everry maggot comes a morrsel of meaty goodness only found in ASDA own pizza take-aways. You have rread the bannerrs rright? |
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im a morrisons man myself, sorry. but i hear they do cheap brand baileys at 3.50 a bottle so it can't be all bad. |
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Ahh I could not tell if that is trrue you see I'm also a morrisons man, I picked the pizza up on the way to a frriends house. One thing I will say about ASDA is they need to get some new shelf-stockerrs the shelves werre empty. |
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unfortunately asda have been forced to select 40 percent vegetarians for their shelf stackers under thre equal oppoptunities emplayment act, and their arms are so weak they cant reach up to the higher shelves therefore leaving the shelves emply. it was on the 9 o clock news today. |
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i recommend taking vitamins if you don't eat too healthy, but it's not going to kill you if you don't. if you don't mind eating products with eggs in it or eggs themselves then i recommend lots of pasta and eggs. and if you drink there are vegan beers that have no sort of animal anything or were processed with any sort of fish bladder or animal blood whatever. not that you said you were going to be vegan....but you know it may concern you..... |
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i was a vegetarian for 6 months and i did go for a check-up at the doctor during that time - and blood tests came back completely healthy. so those people who think vegetarians are risking their health, should probably realize that a healthy vegetarian is very observant about what they eat on a day-to-day basis. just like someone who eats meat, vegetarians also have to take into consideration what not to eat and what to eat - the only concern is the b12 issue (most of the other vitamins are taken care of in grain, dairy, fruits, nuts, vegetables, etc) - but you can drink soy milk which contains said vitamin. being vegan is different from being vegetarian - veganism avoids eating anything produced by animals; vegetarians still drink milk and eat eggs, etc. |
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if you plan to become a vegetarian, go for it if that's what you really want to do. don't try to justify it with idealistic ethical and moral debate because nobody wins. a meat eater will stay a meat eater and a vegetarian a vegetarian. do what you please and ignore the rest :) go look around google or any other decent search engine and research various vitamins, where they come mostly from and you can get an idea of what to buy at the store. one thing i learned through being a temporary vegetarian was that parsley contains a lot of important vitamins. anyhow, im not a vegetarian at the moment, and probably eat a lot shittier now than when i was. i just eat meat to get myself a full stomach, rather than try to manage a balanced diet :) hope this helps.. |
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Key_Secret "there are always someone VS someone, I learned that from Street Fighter II." LOL, good call! |
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the fact is, it is not possible to eliminate use of animal-derived products unless you completely sever any connection to mainstream western culture. the vitamins in enriched bread? byproducts in blacktop pavement? shampoo? medicines? chemicals used to process sugar? etc etc etc all animal derived. so the absolutist approach is not really viable. a vegetarian diet is not necessarily more healthy than a meat-based diet. then again, meat eaters don't necessarily get all of the necessary vitamins. vitamin C, for example. you should be aware of your b12 intake. if you do eat cheese and eggs, though, you've little to worry about. maybe a more viable model is to modify your behavior realistically to incorporate responsible, humane food sources. organic, free range eggs and dairy, for example. eat cheese from free range cows that's made with vegetable enzymes. vegetarian diets are better for the environment, which means *everybody*. certainly, the more you learn about industrial scale farming, the less you will want to promote the abuse that goes hand in hand there. it is truly appalling. |
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much of the criticism of vegetarianism is transparent resentment of going against the grain (pun not intended). you'll be called a "hippie," and "leftie," and other silly names implying you are an "outsider". others resent your choice because they believe that you will judge them as wrongdoers for eating meat; your choice to deviate from their choice is seen as implicit criticism. they'll attack any deviation from absolutism as hypocricy. if you judge no one, what concern will you have for their judgements? i wouldn't become a vegetarian to fulfill some moral imperative. if you are so inclined, follow your heart. don't waste your time with rationalizations, or think that if you can't go 100% you shouldn't go at all, or that you owe anyone an explanation, or that you're saving the world. do what's right for you. i've been a vegetarian for nearly fifteen years, and currently i eat free range eggs, cheese and half and half. if i eat at a restaurant, i will eat whatever cheese or eggs they have. i would choose to not eat meat unless survival depended on it. i'm very healthy. i have no interest in judging anyone else's behavior. they do as they will. |
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Here are the facts: Unless you are a freak of nature, you're going to need B12 supplements. There are sublingual (under the tongue) forms of B12. Take 1000mcg every week to top your B12 stores up. Unless you eat a hell of alot of marine algae you can forget about B12. It usually takes up to 5 years to develop a deficiency though. Males don't usually have to worry about iron, but it would be in your best interest to have your blood hemoglobin checked every year just to be sure. Females NEED to take iron supplements to prevent iron-deficiency anemia. DO NOT GET PHARMACEUTICAL IRON, unless you want to stop shitting for weeks on end. Get a quality brand of iron bisglycinate (also called ferrous bisglycinate). Take a low dose - no more than 10 - 15mg per day. Divide the dose up into two or three days if you have to. Zinc and calcium can also be trouble-makers on a vegie diet. If you're young and male you don't have to worry too much. If you're older and female, calcium supplements are in order to prevent osteoporsis. Vegetarian protein quality isn't of the same calibur as meat protein. If you're a muscular guy, don't be surprised if you start losing lean mass. I'll give you some more tips later. I'm not making this shit up - I've spent 7 years in school for this. |
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Jenf.....6 months is hardly enough time to develop a deficieny in many micronutrients. B12 deficiencies may not become obvious until 5 years after the time of meat abstinence. Vegans have it MUCH worse (no dairy, eggs, or meat). There are PROS and CONS to every diet. |
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Jenf. Vegetarian iron sources are drastically inferior to meat sources. Absorption rates of non-heme iron (vegetarian) have been shown to be as low as 0.9%, and averages approximately 2.9%. Meat-sourced iron (heme iron) absorbs at a rate nearly 10X that of non-heme iron. Be very cautious with your iron stores. There are many noble reasons for becoming vegetarian. I have considered that diet MANY times (I love bacon too much). But you must understand that human physiology has evolved to consume BOTH plant and animal food sources. The presence of canine teeth alone would indicate that we are not herbivores. Certain precautions are necessary. There is the opposite and VERY unhealthy extreme of neglecting fruits and vegetables. If you want to reduce your risk of cancer, diabetes, and cardiovasular disease, you better eat your plants. |
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Cheese also contains reasonable amounts of B12. |
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although, if you do take supplements for iron and b12 as a vegetarian, wouldn't it be almost equivalent to eating meat-based products? sure it is a supplement, artificial and not from a 'natural' source, but it is of that vitamin, no? |
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ferrous fumarate and ferrous sulfate are the most common forms of iron supplements. They are both vegetarian source. In fact, I've yet to see a meat-sourced iron supplement aside from dessicated liver. For the preparation that I mentioned (iron bisglycinate), the iron must be "doctored" in a lab. Iron is bound to bisglycinate through a series of chemical reactions. The end result is a vegetarian iron source that dissociates in stomach acid MUCH MUCH MUCH more readily than natural vegetarian iron, and thus allows for greater absorption. Many B12 vitamins are sourced from yeast extracts. Many bacteria and fungus produce vitamins through metabolism. I hope you aren't opposed to the the death and exploitation of innocent bacteria. ;) Your greatest concern should be the pill itself. Capsules are normally made from gelatin - an animal protein. You can get vegetarian capsules or "Vcaps" that are made from plant cellulose. Rock on Toronto. |
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"Floradix" liquid iron is one of the greatest vegetarian iron supplements on the planet IMO. |
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actually, i should add that i was a 'pesco vegetarian' at the time (that is, i still ate some fish ;) ) regardless, ive just been looking at some articles online about this topic out of curiousity, and it seems that being a vegetarian can be a healthy choice, but as i mentioned earlier, you have to research how much of each vitamin you need in order to maintain a good diet. some people need more of certain vitamins and minerals than others - various factors to take into consideration ie. blood type, sex, etc. |
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hah, well like i said in the earlier posts (yet again!), i think it's silly to be a vegetarian for 'trendy ethics' - i mean, it's fine and dandy if you want to be but your argument with a meat-eater won't win you any trophies - and vice versa. i could give two shits about living 'things' dying - heck, there's things i kill just by washing my hands everyday ;) but if i look at it from a resource perspective (an acre of rice feeds more people than an acre cows?), it might be a more plausible reason. then again, someone might disagree with me - to each their own. |
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have you ever tried feeding a hamburger to a cow? it's funny because the cow doesn't realize it makes up two of the four food groups. too bad i didn't write that. a comedian whose name i can't remember did. |
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You're right about the resource perspective....in part. Unfortuately, if we stopped eating meat, world-wide starvation wouldn't decrease. There is already enough food available to feed the entire global population even with all of our meat consumption. Unfortunately, the costs of distribution are too much of a concern for money-hungry developed nations. It's an issue of money, not of natural resources. |
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ah just to follow up, this might be a helpful article for people interested in the topic: take note of the very last sentence in the article - therefore, ignore my resource perspective reason :) plus, on a side (possibly unrelated) note, drinking a glass of red wine a day can reduce chances of heart disease! :D go wine go! |
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imbalanced nations, i agree unfortunately :\ what our community of people are capable of doing for each other globally, is limited to who has and 'wants' to spend the money to help feed others. |
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Wine contains oligomeric proanthocyanidins, (sometimes called OPCs or PCOs.) These bioflavanoids are responsible for the dark red/blue pigments of many fruits such as red grapes, blueberries, blackberries, raspberries etc. Bioflavanoids (of which there are literally thousands) are among the greatest anti-cancer / anti-heart disease nutrients. The PCO content in red wine is highly concentrated, and the alcohol assists in its solubility in water. |
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This world makes me sad quite often. The west is domianted by so-called Christians. I don't see any sometimes. |
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yeah. i think the irony being that probably the most 'christian-acting' types are those who don't even consider themselves christians :) i actually said that to create controversy, not really state a fact. haha. but hey, it could be true ;) |
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back on topic - vegetarianisisisiism. don't eat meat. |
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here's a generic diet tip: drink lots of herbal tea, a glass of red wine, don't eat bbq meat 365 days of the year and nothing else, don't eat lettuce 365 days of the year and nothing else, exercise, go get a check-up at the doctor's office regularly, and masturbate. |
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