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god fucking damn! I wonder if the Imams "down there" are as lenient/willing to resolve this peacefully as the ones up here are... |
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thousands of extremists imo (hence the ott 'protests') |
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i support your idea and youre caling me a swine ? phef. |
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how many Imams are there? I've had the impression that only a few of the Imams are inclined to violence while the extremists are lead by people who aren't really religious leaders, but rather self-proclaimed leaders or prophets or whatever... |
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people who aren't really religious leaders, but rather self-proclaimed leaders or prophets or whatever... And as we know Allah will only speak to and people will only listen to fully licensed and bonded Government certified Bona Fide Clericsâ„¢. |
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it's more, like, as you hold an ordained priest as an official representative of the church, you wouldn't hold some madman in the mountains who's eating children and declaring it to be in the name of god as a representative of the church. |
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Whoever the people are following are the de facto leaders. |
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A french newspaper has published today the 12 drawings plus several new cartoons depicting the three religions. =/ |
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yet, the man in the mountains isn't a representative of the general population of christians even if he has 1000 followers, nor is the pope or any of the cardinals, or in fact anyone associated with the church responsible for his actions. |
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what's the third one? |
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sorry, i don't know much about religion "As well as publishing the Danish cartoons, Charlie-Hebdo published other cartoons on its back page which caricatured other religions including Christianity and Judaism." Fuck this crappy newspaper ! I'm french and I didn't want this bullshit to be published ! |
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I believe in Masuimi Max. She told me to tighten her corset. |
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AMEN. |
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And they're wrong! :-) |
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Bloody hell...what can you say? Do some people think this is also the fault of the publishers of the cartoons? And has anyone answered my point about why no one protested about these things for more than four months??? |
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if not the first, I'd definately hold that annoying christian newspaper editor partly responsible. |
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yer fucked now Combo. haha |
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Haven't they already burned everything? You mean there's still something flammable left in France?! |
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You didn't support my idea you Bolshevik turd! You just said that you "just dislike Muslims, that's all". Save those obvious racist comments for your account on the British Nationalist Party's forum. The Weasel. |
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all this shite os not representative of the religion - since the koran actually says not to kill etc. just like any other religion. these wankers who are going on about massacring non-believers are all mindless ignorant wankers. its not because of their religion, just because of their arrogant uneducated mindset. (i mean, look - in afghanistan the protesters turned to the American embassy, even though the whole thing has litterally nothing to do with america) |
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I think the extremists/terrorists can be compared to what's happening in certain areas in america, like in ghettos.. the ghetto is a strained environment and from the circumstances in there, gangsters (and bitches) arise. same thing with "those countries"; they've got a strained environment and terrorists (gangsters) arise. as in the ghetto, some never break free of their bad habits, and unlike in the ghetto, there isn't as tight law enforcement (reasonably enough, since a ghetto is much smaller than any country). this could also serve as an analogy to the example I gave earlier about why people don't protest other things if they don't agree with the extremists. if something happens and some sort of organised crime is involved, "there are no eye witnessess even though hundreds of people witnessed the event"; people are afraid they might get hurt, and law-protection, as I said, isn't as good, and there's no "witness protection program." |
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DM, what, in your personal opinion, is ideally the purpose of a religion? Why? I'm not asking for a functional description or someone else's theory. |
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Well fuck, what did they expect? The cartoon is making fun of someones god. Not only making fun of him, really twisting the image unfairly and making it so demeaning for anyone connected to it. And think about who is reading it, not only a bunch of sarcastic nerds who listen to shitty music (us) but people the age of grandparents, and all sorts of other people who would react to it in a non "I listen to aphex twin Im so out there and smart" sort of way. It`s like making porn jokes. You arn`t going to say "Oh mom you slut, pass the carrots". Pretty stupid place to print that comic if they were looking for a light hearted reaction. Stupid idiot media fucks. Rot bullshit |
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Free speech is my fucking right but you don`t see me walking into a clan rally with an NWA tshirt. How many times have I seen Drunk friend X get boot fucked for yelling free speech at a cop? Free speech or not, you just gotta use your fucking sense man... |
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but this has a function: making fun of serious stuff reliefs, maybe making people think too muslims going bezerk is more about all the other wrongs like bush invading iraq without a reason and all the shit the cia's pulled the cia calls this 'blowback' |
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what I think the ideal function of a religion should be? well, first of, if I could create the world anew, I probably wouldn't have them. It'd be more philosophical disciplines like Tao and Buddhism with even less mysticism. The ideal religion would be one the house of which was open to all (house is a metaphor); it wouldn't demand of you that you believed in it, but offer its services regardless. Its services would include things like a sort of counselling, like a priest sometimes does, but more like a psychologist or philosopher (less "rigid" than the psychologist). In other words, there would be an understanding and just man with no personal interests (in the line of work; you couldn't demand anyone to give up their life, but he should be a man/woman (I won't make that slash every time, but it doesn't matter what sex or race or whatever) that could keep work and private life separate). Other services provided would be certain simple health care things (almost with the same capacity as a school nurse or something.. bandages, [those things you have your arm in if it's broken], crutches, and such). Then there'd be volounteer work in places that needed help (as volounteer work today is). No god, no preaching. Only compassionate people. If you were a member of this religin, you would get medical and counselling training. It's starting to seem more like the perfect welfare-state than any current or possible religion (it's kind of falling outside of the box called "religion" already, so...). I'm not sure if I answered your question correctly... perhaps you were looking for something as simple and short as "a moral guideline," but in that case, there'd still be a long list of things to take into consideration... |
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So to summarize, you're saying that ideally a religion should be something that benefits humanity, that contributes to the common good. I mean, irrespective of whether it includes supernatural elements. |
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yes, in a way, but in an ideal world, everything should be something that benefits humanity and contributes to the common good, and things that do neither of these shouldn't exist. Of course, there's lots of trouble finding out what "the common good" and stuff like that is, but.. well, we're not exactly talking reality here anyway... ..you didn't answer my question earlier about what you do and if you make music (and if so, if it is available online)... if you don't want to answer it, I won't nag, but I don't know if you've even seen it... |
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I think the extremists/terrorists can be compared to what's happening in certain areas in america, like in ghettos.. the ghetto is a strained environment and from the circumstances in there, gangsters (and bitches) arise. Mohamed Atta al-Sayed was an architect. Marwan al-Shehhi studied languages in Bonn, Germany. Ziad Jarrah was born to a wealthy family and studied aerospace engineering. Said Bahaji studied electrical engineering in Hamburg. These are some of the 9-11 hijackers. I could go on, but do you see my point? These guys were not ghetto. |
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well, it's not that literal, I was trying to point out that the religion wouldn't necessarily be the main source of "angry men"; it could just as well be the entire situation in the country. Of course, religion is a part of that, but it's hard to tell how much of it really is religion or if there really would be a difference if christianity or was the main religion in the same areas.. both the bible and the koran have paragraphs of violence as well as of benevolence... interpretation of such holy scriptures would vary immensely according to the already existing attitudes in the person or persons (as groups of people who actually are a group (have something in common and aren't just random individuals in the same area) often share the same attitudes) interpreting it. |
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also, the analogy helped explain and counter that silly "why, if they don't want terror, haven't they protested against terror before?" thingie that's been popping up as some sort of "argument" lately... |
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If it was that offensive I'd expect less than four months to pass before co-ordinated worldwide protests... |
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my picture wasn't doctored, I got it from a news site. |
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As an aside, I think I would actually wet myself laughing if a westerner infiltrated one of these protests and suicide bombed the crowd there. It would resonate so much better than just spraying bullets into the crowd. Imagine it; barge into the middle of the crowd, then scream through a loudhailer, "How do you stupid fucks like these apples?!" before pressing the button. 100 or so dead. Result. Aside from proving a point, the people injured/killed would have been no great loss and imagine the great laugh it would give people on messageboards the world over. I myself am pretty happy with my life and have no intention of ending it prematurely, however, I would politely request that anyone planning on offing themselves does it by doing this. That way, your death/life will not have been in vain. Cheers. |
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by the time this thread reaches 500 posts the WW III will have started. |
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haha, I hope you're joking! |
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what an ingenius plan! you you can beat them but can't be arsed to do it the democratic way, join them! Bomb the East! ----------------------------------------------------------- and so begins a petition for Monoid to be the first XLT Suicide Bomber.. |
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Mohammed is the only God you can't make fun of. You can put Jesus in a jar of piss and make Budah a Bong, but nooo not Mohammed. They need to lighten the fuck up. Look at lots of porn maybe |
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when was the last time you knew what you were talking about ? |
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I wonder if the guys from south park have the balls to do a Mohammed sketch.. |
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very witty obra :-) |
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My two penn'orth...I find it digusting that people have now been killed and churches set ablaze in response to some fukkin CARTOONS being published...the double standards are breathtaking...decrying the publication as offensive to religion, then burning churches and killing Christians...objecting to images of the so-called prophet while anti-Jewish images are routinely published in the Arab world etc. etc. Disgusting... |
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not this thread again!! people are still moanin about all this crap, i have no sympathy at all anymore. i want to live in denmark! |
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STILL people being killed over it, for fucks sake. ggrrrrrrrrr. |
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Well the protests are still going on! That's if you can call killing innocent people a protest... Scum |
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None of this would be an issue if muslims (and all of us) didn't live in the global economy, with the internet and mass media. Despite being a small victory for parochialism, this is truly a testament to the global village. There is, then, an inkling of the positive in this. But I really think these cows and sheep should fill their bellies with some new stupid idea soon, this is getting old. |
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Can we expect worldwide protests for the religious sites being bombed in Iraq? Can we arsehair... |
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500 ! |
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