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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-04 04:01 [#01834159]
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i might just draw a pic of mohammed having sex with a small white boy whilst smoking crack,do you think that might bother em-i fucking hope so twats
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-02-04 04:08 [#01834160]
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I think you may well get a jihad on your ass...
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-04 04:13 [#01834161]
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fuck em
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big
from lsg on 2006-02-04 04:49 [#01834163]
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hanal for xlt free speech martyr :)
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-04 05:04 [#01834164]
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Freedom of Speech, that's some motherfuckin' bullshit You say the wrong thing, they'll lock your ass up quick The FCC says "Profanity - No Airplay"? They can suck my dick while I take a shit all day Think I give a fuck about some silly bitch named Gore? Yo PMRC, here we go, raw Yo Tip, what's the matter? You ain't gettin' no dick? You're bitchin' about rock'n'roll, that's censorship, dumb bitch
The Constitution says we all got a right to speak Say what we want Tip, your argument is weak Censor records, TV, school books too And who decides what's right to hear? You? Hey PMRC, you stupid fuckin' assholes The sticker on the record is what makes 'em sell gold Can't you see, you alcoholic idiots The more you try to suppress us, the larger we get
[Verse 2]
[You have the right to remain silent] Fuck that right! I want the right to talk I want the right to speak, I want the right to walk Where I wanna, yell and I'm gonna Tell and rebel every time I'm on a Microphone on the stage cold illin' The knowledge I drop will be heard by millions We ain't the problems, we ain't the villains It's the suckers deprivin' the truth from our children You can't hide the fact, Jack There's violence in the streets every day, any fool can recognise that
But you try to lie and lie And say America's some motherfuckin' apple pie Yo, you gotta be high to believe that You're gonna change the world by a sticker on a record sleeve
Cos once you take away my right to speak Everybody in the world's up shit creek
[Verse 3]
Let me tell you about down south Where a motherfucker might as well not even have a mouth Columbus, Georgia, said they'd lock me up If I got on the stage in my show and said "Fuck" So I thought for a minute and said "No, I wasn't even gonna do a damned show" Cos for me to change my words from my rhymes Is never gonna happen cos there's no sell outs on mine But I vowed to get those motherfuckers one day They even arrested Bobby Brown and Cool J
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big
from lsg on 2006-02-04 05:13 [#01834167]
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yes it is just one paper it is therefor a brave things that other papers have published the pictures too, out of protest against threats against freedom of speech and out of solidarity: the crazy muslims (you know i mean the fundamentalists) can't solve the things now by just blowing up one editorial staff
so the papers didn't just publish the pictures just to unnessarily provoke those poor muslims as drunken mastah said in his first posts
dm wrote: "I don't want disagreement with my point, I don't really know
if there was one. I want someone who actually could sympathise with the Muslims or at least someone with some more insight into Islam who could provide explanations or see it from "their" view. I want someone who doesn't just agree with everyone else."
ah ok that's nice, but i and i presume most of us, are able to imagine the other side of the argument
will read more later on
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big
from lsg on 2006-02-04 05:17 [#01834168]
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today i read this joke had be published: mohammed on cloud with all these suicide bombers waiting in line:
"yea, sorry we're out of virgins"
mocking the virgins in heaven things is always funny :)
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big
from lsg on 2006-02-04 05:19 [#01834170]
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yes they do, it's what caused reformation back in 1517 :)
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big
from lsg on 2006-02-04 05:23 [#01834171]
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and why publish this filth? because we don't yet live in a dulled down totalitarian state where humour has been forbidden
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Combo
from Sex on 2006-02-04 05:25 [#01834173]
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religious people = bunch of twats imho
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Combo
from Sex on 2006-02-04 05:27 [#01834175]
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I think that we should be able to depict anybody but : Mohammed is a character of their> book and it's written in their fucking book that depicting Mohammed is forbidden. So why provoke them ? We all know that they are not reasonnable people.
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big
from lsg on 2006-02-04 05:41 [#01834180]
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yes, i must say i haven't agreed with theo van gogh ever, he was highly obnoxious
and you are right, but as said, it was just a joke, i don't see why in this case you have to bring the responsibility things into it: the cartoon isn't that kicking against the shins (hitting below the belt, whatever phrase)
i guess muslims truely haven't understood the the function of these paper cartoons
sueing over this im glad wont get the sueer anywhere im happy to say, at least that's what something awful taught me. i believe 12 johny cochranes couldn't prove this is libel or something
yay im done reading the thread, what grade to i get guys? sorry if i got over a bit frustrated in my replies there, but i am, i get like this a bit when i sleep to much
love, peace and understanding from hippie big
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QRDL
from Poland on 2006-02-04 05:47 [#01834186]
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religion
again
conicidence?
Lenin spank'em!!!
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Combo
from Sex on 2006-02-04 05:49 [#01834189]
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Btw don't forget that these fucking extremist muslims are just a little minority of bastard, and the majority of muslims are not better neither than us. But this minority controls medias and lead people to do what they wouln't do alone, eg. demonstrating, protesting strongly. Be careful of the fanatists.
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Combo
from Sex on 2006-02-04 05:53 [#01834192]
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*not better neither worse
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big
from lsg on 2006-02-04 06:16 [#01834210]
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yea, in gaza 50000 thousand went on the streets, palestine is a whole county of these people
apparantly dutch muslims are pissed too america (head dep of foreign affairs: not necessarily bad but phrased like it comes from a retard) agrees with muslims, great brittain doesn't speak
maybe however this will be good for the future of relations between the west and the muslim countries, like we gotta get to some agreement
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Combo
from Sex on 2006-02-04 06:27 [#01834213]
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The funny fact is that even the US governement blames Europe for the cartoons.
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big
from lsg on 2006-02-04 06:28 [#01834214]
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lol
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grinningcat
from london (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-04 06:31 [#01834215]
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i think stewart lee (creator of jerry springer opera + this mornin with richard not judy) hit it on the head:
"When you satirise something, you need to at least give it the credit of understanding it. The cartoon in which the Prophet is trying to stop suicide bombers entering the afterlife because they have run out of virgins has a kind of political point behind it. But I don't think they really appreciated the massive taboo you cross by portraying the image of Muhammad. There is really no historical precedent for it.
They have tried to deal with a subject they don't know enough about, and this is one of the teething problems of the cross-over of cultures in the world. I'm sure the level of offence is far greater than would have been intended.
I look forward to a point where we can live in a genuinely multicultural society when people know enough about each other's faiths and culture to be able to satirise these things from an informed position.
In Jerry Springer - The Opera, we were looking for a story that could be commonly understood in a Christian context. In the West, Christianity relinquished the right to be protective of its icons the day Virgin Mary snow globes were put up for sale at the Vatican.
But in the Islamic culture it is very different. To use a corporate image, Islam has always been a lot more conscientious about protecting its brand and as a satirist you need to engage with it on its own terms. That's what we did with Jerry Springer with the Christian religion. "
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-04 06:32 [#01834216]
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this is the latest incarnation of shit in this world - everywhere, people seem to be becoming less tolerant and more ignorant. thats what started this whole fundamentalist islamic terrorism crap, and its being fed further by growing intolerance and ignorance here in the West.
a civilised global tolerant multicultural society just doesnt seem possible anymore. oh, where did it all go wrong.....................
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big
from lsg on 2006-02-04 06:35 [#01834220]
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definding these fuckers in any way is wrong imo
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big
from lsg on 2006-02-04 06:36 [#01834221]
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my world is simple :)
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-04 06:36 [#01834222]
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the world seems hopelessly fucked up of late
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-04 06:38 [#01834225]
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just nipping out to the post office,anybody want anything while im out.
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-04 06:38 [#01834226]
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that was not a random post as i try to hit 5k
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big
from lsg on 2006-02-04 06:39 [#01834227]
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sex please
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-04 06:39 [#01834228]
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or this
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-04 06:39 [#01834229]
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with or without baby oil
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Combo
from Sex on 2006-02-04 06:40 [#01834231]
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TV ?
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big
from lsg on 2006-02-04 06:44 [#01834236]
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sprinkels on top
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dave_g
from United Kingdom on 2006-02-04 06:46 [#01834237]
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The "muslim world" needs to grow up. It is now the 21st century.
There are newspapers in muslim countries that are just as offensive to christians and jews with cartoons, but they don't storm embassies and demand apologies at gunpoint.
The traditional muslim world was highly scientifically advanced but at somepoint it became bad to be open to new ideas and now they have regressed. I'm sure if they went back a thousand years they would actaully be more advanced in their attitudes.
It seems a bit pathetic threatening bombs and jihad over some cartoons, I mean what would they threaten if people actually did something really bad to them.....er more bombs and er death to infidels?
So surely if you've published cartoons, you've got nothing to loose by going one step further and denouncing the whole religion?
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-04 06:47 [#01834240]
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its in the post,you will have to sign for it.
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big
from lsg on 2006-02-04 06:52 [#01834245]
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with my penis im sure!
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-04 06:55 [#01834246]
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yes,and take pics and post on xl after
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-04 06:55 [#01834248]
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thw whole world has to fucking grow up. anyone who holds an unshakeable literalist fundamental belief in any faith needs to grow up.
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stilaktive
from a place on 2006-02-04 06:56 [#01834249]
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its not as if all muslims are agaisnst this. most of the ones i know are just sitting with their head in their hands.
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-04 07:01 [#01834254]
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hopefully
but after seeing the huge crowds all over the world bearing "allah will annihilate europe" placards, i wonder how many true, sane muslims there are left in the world
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-02-04 07:05 [#01834258]
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we are in the 21st century. They are not. I'm not saying they're any less developed than us, but using "the 21st century" as some sort of "by now we should all be 100% civilised" just doesn't work. there's been lots of silly war and similar things as of late, and I wouldn't really say we've been any more civilised than they have... we're probably just being shown the bad sides because that's what "sells." Sure, there are thousands of muslims protesting, but I believe only a minority of them are extremists (like only a minority of christians harass (and occasionally kill) abortion doctors and gays). However, when there's a small red moving loudspeaker on a large uniform grey loudspeaker that doesn't move, the camera (and the eye) focuses on the moving red one; that's where the action is.
"In todays news: thousands of muslims are peaceful!"
vs
"In todays news: Threats of war from the muslim world!"
now imagine being on the other side.
"In todays news: Many danish people didn't publish the cartoons"
vs
"In todays news: Danish newspaper mocks the prophet Muhammed!"
of course anyone would get upset, and as a result of that, there are people walking in the streets protesting and burning flags, but just because the red speaker and the white one are in the same room doesn't make them the same.
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big
from lsg on 2006-02-04 07:06 [#01834261]
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as i stated in [#01834210] i think most of the muslims are pissed about these pictures
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-02-04 07:07 [#01834262]
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I wonder if it isn't you, with your lack of respect for what other people believe, who has to grow up...
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-02-04 07:08 [#01834264]
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pissed, yes.
raging maniacs, no.
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2006-02-04 07:09 [#01834265]
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"We, as Muslims oppose and condemn the publishing of mocking cartoon images of God and the Prophet Muhammad (p) in the European newspapers. We demand an immediate and unconditional apology by those countries. The smearing campaign against all prophets, not just Prophet Muhammad(p) should be condemned by people of all faith."
clicked on the banner.
such an angry religion.
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2006-02-04 07:10 [#01834266]
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this banner. oops
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-04 07:11 [#01834267]
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people with literalist fundamentalist beliefs always have an intolerance of other religions, because they believe their own is right and others are wrong. this is the attitude that is so dangerous.
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-04 07:13 [#01834269]
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i ALWAYS respect what other people believe, unless that belief is one of blatant and deliberate hostility to someone elses beliefs.
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big
from lsg on 2006-02-04 07:15 [#01834270]
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i disagree with your whole outlook on this and i think you could fall into the category 'really left because he can be living in a privilaged situation (like me btw)'.
i mean: wtf, so the west has commited terrible crimes so it's only fair the muslim words can have it's share now?
newspapers are covering this because people want to know about this, including the muslims who go on the streets with 1000s to be heard (good thing btw)
i don't enjoy intellectually sparring over this however, sorry, so i'll leave it to r40f
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big
from lsg on 2006-02-04 07:18 [#01834272]
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k, most are pissed and that's ok, they should let know how they feel and change things by that
but way too many, a really small percentage, are making death threats and planning to cary them out
i don't feel like being rational or apoligetic about that last thing at all because some people are living in fear because of this
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2006-02-04 07:26 [#01834277]
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Are you saying they are DARK SIDED?
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2006-02-04 07:29 [#01834278]
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perfect example of the effect of religion on stupid hicks
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big
from lsg on 2006-02-04 07:30 [#01834279]
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i know, as i already said that, you are trying to show the other side of the argument, and i don't want to offend you dm
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