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"that Pikmin 2 will be using the same engine as Mario 128" that sounds really bizarre. I know i should probably have a little more faith in nintendo after all these years... but i can't really imagine how it'll be fun to play pikmin with lots of mario's instead of pikmin :-p And wario... well... his gameboy-games have been pretty good. And i'll definitely be giving wario world a try (maybe rent it or something)... but at the moment i can't say i'm really looking forward to it. |
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You pinned the tail on the donkey. The only reason sailing would get old is if you're impatient, in which case you're probably playing the game for the wrong reasons. I love traversing the vast distances from island to island... Besides, a lot of things can, and do, happen in between to keep in interesting i.e. weather, enemies, merchants, sunken treasure, uncharted land, etc.. Mario : I've tried the toxic river level of which you speak. After the 30 minute trip out to the pipe I died on the first run, forfeiting my only life and last grain of sanity.. I vowed never to return. |
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what I hate about mario sunshine is that there are too many collecting red coins and the new idea for trading blue coins in for shines is whack as well and still having to get 100 coins which are so few and far between...I will beat the game by beating bowser but not by actually getting 120 shines. |
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Preach it girlfriend! Tedious = not fun. I thought Bowser was way too easy and the ending cinematic was horrible.. Especially the voice acting. I don't know what I was expecting but it wasn't that. Let's hope Nintendo's next Mario game is more suitable to my tastes. |
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Has anyone else bought the game yet? |
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"The only reason sailing would get old is if you're impatient, in which case you're probably playing the game for the wrong reasons" exactly :-) With zelda-games you need to have a wide imagination i think... and look at it not so much as just a game but more of an experience! "I love traversing the vast distances from island to island... " I have a feeling i'm going to love those parts too :-) "Has anyone else bought the game yet?" haha! I fucking wish! :-p I've been reading alot about it though. I get really pissed off whenever i read complaints about the graphics. "ooh, it's a game for the kiddies" "shit it looks like a cartoon"... grrr... i'd like to grab them by the shoulders and shout in their faces how wonderful these graphics are ;-) It's like "realism" has become a holy grail for videogamers these days. Instead of fun and imagination... thank god for nintendo eh? |
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"too many collecting red coins" the red coins i don't really mind... you always know you're looking for eight of them, and they're generally not that hard to find. "and the new idea for trading blue coins in for shines is whack" grrr... whoever came up with the concept of blue coins should be punished severely! What a drag :-/ Each of the levels has THIRTY blue coins to find, and then there are also tons of them in the overworld-level. It's like instead of having to search for a 120 shines (which is already alot), you're searching for a 100 + 8x30 shines! With mario64 i thought it was kind of fun that there was a hidden star to be found here or there... but jesus christ... searching for all these blue coins is driving me mad! And it's really not fun... was Miyamoto looking the other way or something when his programmers were putting this part of the game in? He usually always makes sure his games are always fun to play. "I will beat the game by beating bowser but not by actually getting 120 shines." well... hehe... i said the same thing a couple of days ago... but now i've defeated bowser (crap ending indeed :-/ I thought the fight with bowser was plenty difficult though... except you're not really "fighting" him. I preferred grabbing him by the tail and swinging him around :-D). But anyway... now that i've finished the game... i still keep coming back to find more shines... i can't help myself :-s... i don't think i'll ever be able to rest properly until i've found 120 shines. |
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"I've tried the toxic river level of which you speak. After the 30 minute trip out to the pipe I died on the first run, forfeiting my only life and last grain of sanity.. " lol, yeah that sounds familiar... calling that level difficult is a joke, calling it frustrating is an understatement ;-) Try this though: Have you ever been in the bonus-level that can be reached from the boat, when it's sailing underneath a bridge... there's a hole in bottom of the bridge you can jump through. And you end up in some sort of flipper-game with 8 red coins to grab. I've actually been able to grab all the red coins in there... the shine appeared, and when i jumped for the shine i somehow slipped and fell down the hole of doom at the bottom of the flipper-machine... I had to turn of my gamecube, and take lots of deep breaths to keep myself from smashing the tv with the controller :-) |
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I think I might be getting this game tonight or tomorrow... thank Jebus. |
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I said I'd post my thoughts, so I'll do that now (I'll try not to give anything away). Anyway, I think that Wind Waker is the best game of its kind that I've played. Gameplay - the gameplay is extremely varied, from sailing to exploring to fighting enemies to trouncing through the dungeons and solving the dungeon puzzles (most being very unique and building off of each other in very innovative ways. One that comes to mind is the flower to floating lilypad thing in one of the earlier dungeons.) Nothing ever gets boring. There are even several minigames that I didn't expect to find (like the Battleship-type game that is enhanced to a greater level by containing giant squids!). Graphics - The graphics are pretty much flawless. The cartoon look does actually make it easier to get into the game as was stated when that decision was made. When I first started playing I was a little disappointed by the look of the first island - it looked a little too big and empty and I hoped the rest of the game wouldn't be like that. It wasn't. Going back to the first island after playing a while, the island looked small in comparison to the other places in the game and I didn't notice it being as empty. Also, there are no seams in the graphics that are in many other games. Everything moves flawlessly and smoothly together and it looks just like a cartoon. The enemies are impressive, especially the bosses; the explosions are great; and the animation of everything else is exactly what it needs to be. Control - the control is good while walking around, in combat, and while sailing. The only real problem I had was with the camera control (and that was in a few boss battles when the camera kept trying to look at the boss), but it does seem to be the best of any game so far. The control is handled very well in combat with Z-targeting as in OOT, and the counter-attacks are nicely done. All of the scripted events (such as feeding the fish and mice) work much more smoothly than I had expected, and I've never h |
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All of the scripted events (such as feeding the fish and mice) work much more smoothly than I had expected, and I've never had it not work correctly. Also, just something I noticed: When you go into first person view, looking down actually moves the view slightly forward and then down, as if Link was actually moving that way, rather than just rotating the view down as in just about every other game I've played. Oh, and I haven't found any way at all to mess with the game (ie. falling off of the world or getting stuck in a rock or a house or anything like that), so the game is very tightly put together. Atmosphere - The cell-shaded graphics help a lot to add to the atmosphere of the game, as do sounds (which are all great). The storms while on the sea as well as on land are very nice (though those tornados are very, very annoying). However, I haven't played a part of the game yet that's eclipsed the atmosphere of the beginning sequence to A Link to the Past - Waking up in the middle of the night, and hearing storm from the inside of the house, then stepping outside into the storm and viewing the world for the first time... also, hearing the rain from inside the castle; it's probably my favourite moment in a game ever. The story is good and gives you the motivation to do things, and it also makes things more fun to think about (like what's really under the ocean). Overall, the game is very good and well-worth buying a Gamecube just to play it. |
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>I've actually been able to grab all the red coins in >there... the shine appeared, and when i jumped for the shine >i somehow slipped and fell down the hole of doom at the >bottom of the flipper-machine... I feel you. Just hearing this story makes me want to rip the chords out of my piano. Fuck. Unless I get incredibly bored I don't think I'll ever go back and round up the rest of the sprites; I'm taking enough pharmaceuticals as it is, I don't need to be perscribed any more. Let me know what happens if you make it through unscathed. |
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>Also, just something I noticed: When you go into first person >view, looking down actually moves the view slightly forward >and then down, as if Link was actually moving that way, rather >than just rotating the view down as in just about every other >game I've played. That's because he really is. If you look up when you're carrying Medli you can actually see her like you should. If your back is against a wall it hinders you from being able to tilt your vision upwards too. >Graphics The ONLY nit I could possibly pick are some very, very, very, VERY minor and insignificant clipping problems that pop up from time to time. It really is nothing at all and happens so rarely it's probably not even worth mentioning. >Camera Another problem that's practically nonexistant. On the rare occurance that it does position itself behind a pillar during battle, you're usually targeting an enemy anyway and the next actions you take are automatic. I constantly use the 'free camera' mode and find it works perfectly and helps a great deal. To reiterate, this is the best game I've ever played. If you live in Japan or the US and you don't own it yet, you're either very stupid or very ugly. |
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Arg. I need to learn html. |
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>However, I haven't played a part of the game yet that's >eclipsed the atmosphere of the beginning sequence to A Link >to the Past - Waking up in the middle of the night, and hearing >storm from the inside of the house, then stepping outside into >the storm and viewing the world for the first time... also, >hearing the rain from inside the castle; it's probably my >favourite moment in a game ever. Agreed. I still remember the smell of the room I was sitting in when I first played that. The memory is branded on to my brain for the duration of my mortality.. That 32 bit orchestra soundtrack was definately the best on the Super Nintendo. As soon as that sword drops and pierces the Triforce at the beginning I simultaneosly shit my pants, blast backwards through my bedroom door and get flung down the stairs. Righteous. |
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"Let me know what happens if you make it through unscathed" I think it's too late for that ;-) This game has scarred me for life. It's just too much! I've collected a 117 shines so far... and now i'm totally lost. Blue coins are sometimes hidden in ridiculous places (like i accidentally discovered a blue coin appears if you spray a totally unsuspicious looking wall in the harbor... there's really no way of knowing where to look. Plus the game DOESN'T keep track of how many blue coins you found per level. There might already be some level where i already found all of 'em, but yet i keep searching those levels since i don't know there's nothing more to find!) I'm really desperate, so i also looked on gamefaqs.com... but ofcourse they only have a long list of ALL the blue coins. And my memory isn't so great that i instantly recognise the ones i already found. In the long run, i'll probably have to print the entire list, and check each of the blue-coin-locations :-/ |
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Well, I finally beat it last thursday(Zelda). The most climatic final battle of all time and the best ending ever...EVER. I fucking cried for pete's sakes! The last time I cried at the end of anything was when I was 8 and my dad had just finished explaining how sex worked! Needless to say my heart has become hardened and calloused in the long years since then, but then...Zelda... Zelda brought life back to this old scrooge. There's undeniable color in these once grey eyes and a new-found passion for living. I believe in mankind! I believe in the strength of love and hope and compassion... And most of all I believe in the Power of Wisdom and Courage united. This world has redeemed itself to me. I can finally die a happy man. |
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And get this : A new Gamecube Zelda title is already in production at Nintendo! Allegedly with a "darker" theme.. I wonder if they'll keep the current graphics engine, branch off, or reinvent it completely. Hopefully game journalists will be treated to a sneak peek at this year's E3 and we'll get a few screenshots and a small preview. The suspense is unbearable! |
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Hello? Where's the fanfare? Am I the only fanatic left? Come on Surrounded, I know you've got to be letting the tent out.. |
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i love the new zelda game top notch!!! |
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Zelda blows goats ;) |
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at least Link never got caught jerking off in front of his mom. ;) |
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remember, according to cabbog the next zelda is a 'darker' game, maybe you'll learn more about links past than in previous titles :P maybe he got caught jerking off infront of ganondorf... |
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...At least it wasn't his mom. |
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"Let me know what happens if you make it through unscathed." You wanna know what happened? Last night i finally collected the last of the blue coins, and traded them in for the 120th shine sprite. As usual the game asks me if i want to save. I click yes... and sit back to see what spectacular reward nintendo built in the game for fully completing it. absolutely nothing happened! I kid you not. It just puts you back in the beginning spot (delfino plaza, infront of the statue), and that's it. No fireworks, no extra levels... nothing. Not even a conversation with Yoshi :-( Then i figured maybe the ending would be improved if you finish the game with 120 shines. And to my surprise... it was! After the regular ending-sequence had passed... i was treated to... a still picture of mario surrounded by all the island-folks... and at the bottom it said: "have a relaxing vacation"... aaaargh! I've never been so dissapointed in my life! Is that why i put so much hard work into this game? :-/ I remember playing Super Mario World, and by exploring and discovering all the secrets you were actually rewarded with a trip to "star road", where you could play 8 bonus-levels. It made me feel so great when i finally made it to the 8th bonus-level, and it spelled out in coins: "you are a super mario player!" haha. I really got the feeling i was the first player to ever discover that hidden part of the game... it was great :-) Those were the days. sigh... However... i did discover that one of the islanders when you talk to him now says: "Could this be the end of the game? I hope something else happens..." That was a bit strange and suspicious... i wonder if there really is more to discover? But after last night's dissapointment i can't really be bothered to go back into the game and explore. Maybe some other day. |
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hahahaha |
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"Surrounded, I know you've got to be letting the tent out.." letting the tent out? Sorry i don't know that expression ;-) But i just read your news, and i am very excited! I've heard the rumors, but i didn't know they had actually already started work on it :-) GREAT news! "Allegedly with a "darker" theme.. I wonder if they'll keep the current graphics engine, branch off, or reinvent it completely." I'm willing to bet this game will have much more realistic graphics. Link will probably look alot like he does in Super Smash Bros. After all the complaints (and i've heard of people actually not planning to buy this zelda because of the cartoon-graphics... idiots!)... i think nintendo probably will make a concession towards "the people", and produce a dark and realistic zelda that people seem to love so much. It will be a great game i'm sure... but i really really really wish they would use the cartoon-graphics again. (it'd be alot easier and cheaper to use the same engine too i imagine... they've done it before on the N64 :-)). But... at the moment i'm not going to get all upset about the graphics possibly becoming boring and realistic... when i haven't even played the wind waker yet ;-) I think you finished it rather quickly! Maybe you are just a better player than i am, or put more time into it. Or maybe this zelda is easier? I know for sure all the other zelda's haven taken me more than a couple of weeks to complete. "a sneak peek at this year's E3 and we'll get a few screenshots and a small preview. The suspense is unbearable!" That would be great! Yeah! :-p Hopefully also some more news on the mysterious mario128. |
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ja lach maar! :-p grrr... |
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anyone from holland please help me out where can i pre-order the zelda game so i get the free zelda game? caus i dont have a fokking clue and i want that game sooo badly oh surrounded: congrats on finding all 120 shines! |
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"where can i pre-order the zelda game so i get the free zelda game?" I haven't got a clue. None of the stores i asked had any idea what i was talking about :-p But if i understand corretly the version with the bonusdisc will be a limited edition, but normally distributed. So if you go to any gamestore on the day of release... it should just be for sale there. "and i want that game sooo badly" i want it to, even though i heard the master quest isn't very different from OOT. "ats on finding all 120 shines!" thanks :-) |
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normally distributed? but ive read everywhere you'll only get the free game when you preorder... *starts another google search |
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I always think the name of this topic says "Wind Wanker" I need a Gamecube. |
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whohoo! i've found it the game + the free game from the N64 and N64DD can be purchased for the same price in stores at the release date -> mr jaroen is gonna be 'sick' 3 may :) |
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"the game + the free game from the N64 and N64DD can be purchased for the same price in stores at the release date" :-) I think something like that was also mentioned on the dutch nintendo-site a while back... that's how i remembered it. We much be different from the rest of the world that we don't have to preorder it. "-> mr jaroen is gonna be 'sick' 3 may :)" That's a saturday, right? Hm... i do have to work on saturday, but calling in sick is a little too extreme ;-) I'll just play it after work :-D |
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Fuck Mario and his vacation polaroid, I'm never picking that game up again. Thanks for wasting all your time finishing it so I didn't have to. |
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>letting the tent out? Sorry i don't know that expression It's better that you don't my sweet, innocent Dutch friend. >It will be a great game i'm sure... but i really really really wish they would use the cartoon-graphics again. Same here. No point in letting a perfectly good engine go to waste after one title. Especially one as perfectly good as this.. Especially when they've done it in the past. Especially when it would be really awesome. >I think you finished it rather quickly! Maybe you are just a better player than i am, or put more time into it. Or maybe this zelda is easier? I know for sure all the other zelda's haven taken me more than a couple of weeks to complete. I think I probably have much less of a life than you do! I played it for around 6 hours every day until I finished it. It is a bit easier than previous Zeldas now that you mention it - But there's also much, much more to do. There are plenty of little side quests, treasure hunts, container searches, and other miscellaneous things to do that aren't at all essential to the game's completion. I also think that the design and layout is much more smooth and polished than any of the other previous Zelda games making going anywhere a real treat on the eyes, and keeping you engrossed in the game even(especially) during those long lonely nights at sea. |
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jesus h christ cabbog you blazed through it. I only just got the third pearl from the water guy. Im not even close to being done. |
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"It's better that you don't my sweet, innocent Dutch friend." hehe ;-) Okay, i won't do a google on it to find out what it means then :-p "played it for around 6 hours every day until I finished it." lol, yeah at that rate you should be able to get through the game really fast :-p I won't be able to play it so often. "But there's also much, much more to do." :-) Good! The little side-quests are often the best part of the zelda games. Majora's Mask was particularly excellent in that department. You spent so much time doing other things than fighting through dungeons in the main quest. I loved that! :-D "There are plenty of little side quests, treasure hunts, container searches," I bet you need to collect 4 cointainer-pieces to receive an extra heart again? :-/ I never really liked that. It'd be so much more fullfilling if you could just find an entire full heart-container. I guess nintendo just wanted more things to discover... but finding just 1/4th of a heart is more frustrating than rewarding imo. But the heart-containers have been with us since link to the past, so i don't think they'll ever go back to the way it was in the NES games. Oh well... i can live with it. "going anywhere a real treat on the eyes, and keeping you engrossed in the game even(especially) during those long lonely nights at sea." damn :-p You're almost making me drool all over my keyboard. I am sooooo looking forward to this game. Less than a month now :-) |
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>>Good! The little side-quests are often the best part of the zelda games. Majora's Mask was particularly excellent in that department.>> That's the only Zelda I've never played(excluding those travesty cd games from some long obsolete system).. I never had a Nintendo 64 myself and none of my friends that did owned Majora's Mask. Is it as much as fun as Ocarina? Argh.. I can't believe I've never played it. I'm supposed to be an authority on these things. Oh well.. Maybe they'll bundle it as a bonus disc with the next Zelda title. >>I bet you need to collect 4 cointainer-pieces to receive an extra heart again? :-/ I never really liked that. It'd be so much more fullfilling if you could just find an entire full heart-container.>> Are you kidding? There's nothing like the feeling of accomplishment you get when the fourth piece is finally found! Besides, the only time you really work hard enough to be rewarded with a complete heart is after vanquishing a boss character anyway. I've always liked it and I hope Nintendo continues to implement it in future Zeldas. So nyeah. |
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You really love Nintendo games dont you :P |
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Zelda + Unemployed + Friends that aren't anywhere near as cool as you are = A lot of Zelda |
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ha, thanks for the compliment, y'ain't so bad yerself |
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Nintendo's games stoke the imagination. I mean, can you imagine if we learned how to capture fairies in bottles? Our army would be nigh unstoppable! The only thing holding us back from world domination would be the 4 bottle limit! |
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"Is it as much as fun as Ocarina?" Personally i thought it was even better. But everybody else seems to think it was the weakest game in the zelda-series :-p "I can't believe I've never played it." yes i'm also surprised to hear you haven't! Even though i found the game cheap, it was all-in-all still rather expensive because i had to buy one of those stupid expansion packs to play it. But the game is sooo worth it :-D I guess the atmosphere isn't as magical and special as in OOT (everything feels a little more weird... like a dream). But the concept of traveling back through time every three days is just brilliant... and executed so perfectly. You really get to know all the characters, and witness their daily routine (over and over again). The game is absolutely amazing...! At first it feels alot like OOT... but then at some point you just start to realise the complexity. You can just pick out any character in the game and follow them around for a bit... it's fascinating. Like on the first day at noon this girl goes to make dinner for her mother, which she brings to her mother an hour later... who isn't hungry so she just takes the food away again. But then you travel back through time, and the next time you experience that day you go to the mother's room first, and you can read in her diary that she thinks her daughter's food is so disgusting, and she's going to pretend not to be hungry... haha... everything interacts! Then when you follow the girl again (she works in the hotel), you'll notice that at three o'clock sharp (everywhere in the game are unique clocks with rotating rings that actually work, once you've learned how to read them you can actually tell the current time) this Goron called Link (!) comes to check in, and the girl says: "ah mr link, we've had you down for an afternoon-arrival". So the next time you experience that day you come in the hotel slightly before 3 o'clock, and since you're called Link the girl gives you the key t |
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"the key t...o the room. (haha, and the goron has to sleep outside in the rain ;-)). The game is full of neat little touches like that. |
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That sounds fantastic. I'm definately going to get ahold of it one way or another.. Great article, recommended : http://www.zeldauniverse.net/main.php?page=article18 |
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-surrounded, I'm on here 22 hours of the day -- Why do I never see your name in the list? Somehow you always manage to worm in and out during those two that I'm asleep. -pomme de terreeee, how far are you? |
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"I'm on here 22 hours of the day -- Why do I never see your name in the list?" i dunno... it must be the time-difference i guess. I had noticed our zelda-discussions are always very slow because we're never online at the same time :-p I always have to dig up this thread to see what you wrote. But yeah... a 2nd hand N64 should be pretty cheap by now. You should definitly also play Majora's Mask if you're such a huge zelda-fan! That article was really interesting. I agree this game looks very much like i always imagined miyamoto wants zelda to look... right from the very first cel-shaded screenshots :-) (I've seen that very realistic early demo too... the fight between link and ganon. Thought it looked horrible, and most of all (like the article says) not fun! The dutch nintendo-site put up another windwaker quicktime-movie. Haha, it's about teasing the enemies, and it looks so cool! Links hits an enemy, and the poor enemy runs around in pain... oh my god... it all has so much character! It's unbelievable. |
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"That's the only Zelda I've never played(excluding those travesty cd games from some long obsolete system).. I never had a Nintendo 64 myself and none of my friends that did owned Majora's Mask. Is it as much as fun as Ocarina? Argh.. I can't believe I've never played it. I'm supposed to be an authority on these things. Oh well.. Maybe they'll bundle it as a bonus disc with the next Zelda title. " First Ophecks and now you?! You gotta play it, george described it very well, its very much like a dream. Grab that up as soon as possible; you wont be disappointed although you might realize even more how amazing the wind waker graphics are compared to n64 heh. |
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