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offline surrounded from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-05-19 03:12 [#00704924]
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"Majora's Mask would have to be the most unique of the
two in terms of radical game engine design
"

yes! I know, that is one game i'll never forget :-) Even as
i started playing the wind waker it was kind of
dissapointing that there was no difference between the days.
Everyone just says the same things day after day... which is
only logical i suppose, but after majora's mask you've
really gotten used to events happening and people
interacting with each other a little more... it was
different from other zeldas, but in many ways i think also
better :-) (wind waker beats it though... for graphics and
the atmosphere they manage to create).

It's a good thing you didn't get rid of it! You would have
regretted it, i'm sure!


 

offline Cabbog from Chautauqua (United States) on 2003-05-19 03:18 [#00704927]
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"Yes, it's a shame you can only pack one bottle of it :-p"

Luckily there's room enough for two servings!

"That soup totally illiminates the need for red or green
potions... which is kind of shame. I like the aspect of
harvesting the ingredients for those potions yourself... but
yet i never even once bought a bottle of it :-p I just carry
fairies and soup around all the time."

Same here. Snatching items from your enemies is great fun
too, though I did think the joy pendants were a little tooo
easy to come by. It would have been better if you could
only find them in dungeons or hidden places scattered about
the map.


 

offline Cabbog from Chautauqua (United States) on 2003-05-20 22:38 [#00707656]
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"Very true...
The same thing can be said about Windfall Island, which is
easily nintendo's best attempt at a town so far! It all
feels so cozy, with all the little streets, narrow
corridors, passages across the townwalls... i'd like to live
in such a town :-) "

I agree, the layout is very well done. It's also
immediately easy to navigate and memorize - something I have
a lot of trouble with in most games. Getting to learn
Kokiri Forest was a headache and a half, especially
considering that the draw distance in the game was only
about a deku stick's length ahead of Link. I wonder why
Nintendo didn't increase it for the Gamecube version..
Still stuck in the Water Temple by the way.
Also: The Windfall Island theme is a reworking of one of the
songs from Ocarina of Time.. The Kakariko Village music
maybe? It's been so long.

ps. I should have a few hours alone with a decent computer
tomorrow - I'll try and write you back then.


 

offline Dael from the low end (Australia) on 2003-05-20 22:47 [#00707683]
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arrrgh, windfall island, I'm still stuck trying to show the
shopkeeper (where I bought my sail) a photo of that young
girl checking out the safe, I don't seem to be able to show
him any photographs ,,, arggh


 

offline Cabbog from Chautauqua (United States) on 2003-05-20 22:55 [#00707705]
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The key to that problem has nothing to do with pictographs.
It's a bit misleading ain't it? *hinty hint* :
You need to catch her 'in' the act and set her straight.


 

offline Dael from the low end (Australia) on 2003-05-20 23:13 [#00707723]
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ahhh., thanks for the tip (with no spoilers) cabbog, it's
just enough to get me going again. btw I though it was cool
how they used the cat sample near the end of the night
pursuit (another small yet imaginative idea)


 

offline Cabbog from Chautauqua (United States) on 2003-05-20 23:40 [#00707731]
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No problem.

"btw I though it was cool how they used the cat sample near
the end of the night pursuit (another small yet imaginative
idea)"

*meeeeow*Me too. After I found out where she was going I
just went up on the raised pathway near the safe and waited
for her to show up. Much easier than traipsing about half
the island..


 

offline Dael from the low end (Australia) on 2003-05-21 08:47 [#00708147]
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arrgh, all went well and dandy untill about 15 minutes after
I had finished the pursuit mission. I tried to walk in the
potion shop and the screen came up with "ERROR: you need
to turn off the machine, see game booklet for details,"

what!!!!! instantly the worse thought came to mind (I hope I
haven't lost everything on my memory card). So I turn the
cube off and on again to find out that my last save was
still there. The most concerning part was however, was that
I had no idea on the cause to such an effect (yes I saw
matrix reloaded a few hours ago). I had only been playing
for an hour and my memorycard, controller and gamedisc are
all in house nintendo products?
If I was playing metalgearsolid (PS2) I would almost expect
it to be part of the game but this is zelda, ..... all I
could find in the booklet was a warning about software
piracy?


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-05-21 08:50 [#00708151]
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Do you have a platinum GC (the limited editon one that came
with zelda)?


 

offline Cabbog from Chautauqua (United States) on 2003-05-21 08:58 [#00708171]
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Unheard of! Nothing like that has ever happened to me on my
Gamecube - Hope everything's alright. If it happens again
don't hesitate to call Nintendo.


 

offline surrounded from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-05-21 09:07 [#00708190]
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"Try wandering around
town and observing certain people's habits.
"

Thanks for the hint :-) I found the two secret lovers now,
and got the colour pictograph. But after visiting the
nintendo-gallery, i realised i had finished that problem far
too late in the game... i have no chance now of ever getting
a complete gallery anymore. I'll try to get a complete
gallery when i play the 2nd quest.

I completed the game now. All i can say is 'wow'... what a
great and dramatical boss-fight! The ending itself is a bit
surprising too. Very open, and not a very specific "happy"
ending. Definitly a good thing in my opinion. It reminds me
of the ending of Link's Awakening, which was also a little
melancholic. I haven't started with the 2nd quest yet...
probably wait a few weeks, to make it feel fresh again.
It's a shame it's over now though ;-) I think the
gameboy-player is going to be released soon... i might use
that to finally go play the two "Oracle of..." games. I
need more zelda.

"I did think the joy pendants were a little tooo easy to
come by
"

Lol yes! By the end of the quest that fat lady even
commented her house was completely filled with them, and
that i went a little overboard with all the joy pendants
;-)

But then there's always the quest for Golden Feathers, which
are alot harder to come by! (grrr, and i was really
dissapointed when i only got 50 rupees for all my troubles!
But ofcourse i got a nice surprise later on :-)).


 

offline Dael from the low end (Australia) on 2003-05-21 09:13 [#00708206]
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re:Ceri JC- I've got a black cube that I bought as a
"MarioSunshinePack" back when it was released over here (so
I haven't had it for that long).
Cabbog-The actual zelda disc itself is immaculate too (I
don't think it has even been taken out of the cube since I
first put it in) so there shouldn't be so much as a single
scratch on it.
Oh well, if I do see it again I'll be sure to take a photo


 

offline surrounded from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-05-21 09:15 [#00708208]
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"Getting to learn Kokiri Forest was a headache and a
half,
"

Indeed... even very late in the game i still got lost in
that place... trying to find the exit or the entrance to the
forbidden forrest... what a maze (and for all the wrong
reasons). Whenever someone said something like "You should
go to Mido's house"... i had absolutely no idea where to go
:-p

"The Windfall Island theme is a reworking of one of the
songs from Ocarina of Time..
"

Yes, they did recycle alot of music. In the first temple (on
dragon roost island), that music was exactly identical to
music from OOT-dungeons.

Also the music inside the rito-village is the music that
used to play inside houses and stores in OOT (and Majora's
Mask for that matter). But the music on the outside of
Dragon Roost island is amazing :-) A new classic! I hope
it'll be re-used in many more zelda's to come!

In last stages of the game the music is truly special
aswell... nintendo really manage to create a strange
apocalyptic atmosphere there.

My favourite music in the game is the one playing in the
demo-movies if you don't press start on the title screen.

That one where the legend is explained on these old
scrolls... when they talk about "the boy dressed in green"
for the first time, and the classical nes-music sets in...
goosebumps!

And the 2nd demo (little clips from lots of levels in the
game) you hear the most beautiful remix of that theme i ever
heard... it's a shame they didn't use that one for
ocean-sailing during daytime.


 

offline surrounded from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-05-21 09:19 [#00708212]
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"I tried to walk in the potion shop and the screen came
up with "ERROR: you need to turn off the machine, see game
booklet for details,"
"

Lol, that sounds more like something that would happen in
Eternal Darkness... those insanity-effects really mess with
your head!

But seriously... that sucks :-(
In all my years playing nintendo-games, nothing has
ever gone wrong with them. Everything always works
perfectly. I bet if you wrote them about it, they would just
replace your game free of charge (ofcourse you would have to
send it away, and wouldn't be able to play for a couple of
days ;-)).


 

offline Dael from the low end (Australia) on 2003-05-21 09:27 [#00708225]
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surrounded - "In all my years playing nintendo-games,
nothing has
ever gone wrong with them. Everything always works
perfectly."
now that's exactly what I was thinking, and it's
funny you know, I had only just mentioned that very fact to
a friend the night before it happened :P


 

offline MachineofGod from the land of halo's (United States) on 2003-05-21 16:05 [#00709018]
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uh-oh, ophecks will get it this week and probably beat the
game before me and ive had it since it came out. haha


 

offline Cabbog from Chautauqua (United States) on 2003-05-21 16:21 [#00709047]
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Opecks will never have the game. If he dies before I do
I'll lay a copy on his grave.


 

offline Cabbog from Chautauqua (United States) on 2003-05-21 16:26 [#00709053]
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Uh.. Did either of you own the original NES? After about 6
years of usage there was no way you could play anything
without first giving the cartridge and system multiple
blowjobs. After that I agree though - SNES and up has been
flawless.


 

offline surrounded from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-05-22 08:38 [#00709945]
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yeah i had a nes (ofcourse)... but i don't remember for how
long though... hm.
My parents forced me to sell it if i wanted to buy a
snes. They thought it would be ridiculous for me to have two
consoles... very cruel of them :-( I wish i still had it.
It's like my own personal Sophie's Choice! Actually i think
Sophie had it easy, George's Choice was much harder and more
heartbreaking!

But i dunno... i probably had it for about 6 years until the
snes came out, so i never had any problems with it. And
actually i connected my snes with the cables from the nes...
so you can say what you want cabbog, but atleast all the
nes-cables were in perfect condition after more than 10
years of use :-p


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-05-22 08:48 [#00709962]
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I've still got my NES, in fact it's set up in my bedroom
back in wales. Great machine, but like you say, you need to
blow on it to get it to work. Mine is also a game genie
"addict"- it does not function *at all* unless you put a
game genie in it. You don't have to enter any cheats, but it
just needs to act as a bridge between the nes and the
cartridge.

I've got a snes too, shares my nes' PSU as the snes one blew
a few months ago.

I'm currently playing Kung Fu master on it as hearing about
that guy breaking the world record (see
www.twingalaxies.com) after all these years reminded me what
a hard game it was.


 

offline surrounded from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-05-24 13:23 [#00713115]
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YES!!

GReat news!!

"Computer and Videogames" has had an interview with Eiji
Aonuma, the director of both The Legend of Zelda:
Majora's Mask
and The Legend of Zelda: The Wind
Waker
.

And this website posted a short but very interesting
fragment of it:

To begin, is there anything you can tell us about the
sequel to Wind Waker? How far are you into development and
when will we see it?


Aonuma: I am unable to give you any details right now. I
am hoping to have a playable version ready by next year's
E3, so I'm hoping you'll be patient and look forward to
that.

As I did between Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask, I
will use the same engine and the same graphics of Wind Waker
for its sequel
. However, I do plan on powering
everything up a bit.


Good news or what? :-D This is exactly the kind of news i've
been hoping for!


 

offline Dael from the low end (Australia) on 2003-05-25 07:55 [#00713781]
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excellent... that's a reliief after seeing fourswords for
the cube announced at E3,

btw, can anyone help me out with trying to complete a
pictograph challenge to photograph something that is
"perfectly round and pale" , I have tried so many
different things on the island with no such luck...?


 

offline MachineofGod from the land of halo's (United States) on 2003-05-25 08:34 [#00713809]
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nice find there George :) Theres a lot of stuff coming out
soon and I have a low budget so I dont know if I can handle
of these games plus all the ones I still need to beat.


 

offline surrounded from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-05-27 08:40 [#00716571]
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Well, and on a personal note: more Great News! :-D

I won Nintendo's Wind Waker contest! Woohoo!

People who can read dutch or are otherwise interested (small
pictures of my entry (i made Link's personal diary) can be
seen) can click here, and on that site click on the
first two pictures on the right of the screen (the octorock
and the one below him) for photographs.

So a platinum gamecube with zelda, some sort of a case to
carry my gamecube around in, and a T-shirt signed by
Shigeru Miyamoto are coming my way :-p I feel so
lucky!

Ofcourse i already have a gamecube... so i think i'm gonna
try if my local toystore will buy it from me and sell it in
their store (or maybe i'll trade it for lots of games ;-)).


 

offline surrounded from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-05-27 08:45 [#00716576]
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Oh wait, i forgot nintendo.co.uk has the same content as the
dutch site. So no need to read dutch, you can just
click here. :-)

(my real name is Erik Roggeveen, by the way)


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-05-27 08:58 [#00716591]
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"perfectly round and pale"

I've not got that far yet, but it sounds like the Moon to me
mate!


 

offline pomme de terre from obscure body in the SK System on 2003-05-27 09:18 [#00716612]
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oh my gosh surrounded that's AWESOME! congradulations buddy!
that is so excellent. I checked out your entry and it looks
really neat. I'd live to see some scans of it, that is if
you've archived it in some way.

Nice work. You deserve to be the winner.

(If you were a true noble being, like Link.. then you
would send your copy of zelda to Ophecks)



 

offline Dael from the low end (Australia) on 2003-05-27 23:37 [#00717481]
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Congradulations, buy the look of your entry it seems that
you put alot of effort into it :) , it would be great to be
able to have a look through the pages, please tell us that
you have scans?


 

offline Dael from the low end (Australia) on 2003-05-27 23:39 [#00717483]
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that's exactly what I thought Ceri JC! so one night out on
the open seas I take snapshots of the "full moon" only for
it NOT to work, arrgghh!!!!!!


 

offline surrounded from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-05-28 08:31 [#00718038]
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thank you! :-D

I'm so excited about this! I just entered the competition
because when i read about it, i immediately got that idea
for a diary... and got so excited about it i just had
to actually go make it. And now it even won the prize :-)

"I'd live to see some scans of it, that is if you've
archived it in some way.
"

Well... i didn't make any scans (because i don't have a
scanner). But i did take lots of photographs of it.
Originally i was just going to send copies of those to
cabbog, because he was interested in the project right away.
But now everyone who i tell about my prize wants to see what
i made :-p
So i think i'm going to try and see if a photostore will put
the negatives on a cd-r for me. Then i'll be able to show
you alot (not all, but most of them) of pages from the
diary. (and don't worry cabbog - wherever you are these days
- , i'm still sending you some cool stuff).

"Nice work. You deserve to be the winner."

Aw... thanks man :-) How very kind of you! I'm starting to
blush here :-p

"(If you were a true noble being, like Link.. then you
would send your copy of zelda to Ophecks)
"

Well yes... in a perfect world. I might actually consider
that since i have no use for it myself. But unfortunately us
europeans get PAL-versions of everything... which won't work
on american tv's. (and vice versa... sadly. Otherwise i'd be
importing all the cool games before they were finally
released over here!). So too bad ophecks... i can't believe
you still haven't been able to buy it. You'd imagine
nintendo expected to sell lots of this one, so they'd make
plenty of copies of it :-/


 

offline surrounded from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-05-28 08:37 [#00718054]
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Thanks!

"buy the look of your entry it seems that you put alot of
effort into it :)
"

Yes... this is true. It took me even more time than i had
expected. But that's okay, because i really enjoyed making
it :-) I would just love to do this kind of thing for
a living. Designing the manuals for games or something, or
boxart, or just images for their website. I'm even
contemplating asking nintendo if they'd be interested in
someone like that -since they seemed to like what i did with
zelda so much- but... i don't want to seem ungrateful, you
know :-)

"please tell us that you have scans?"

Well, see above. If all goes well i should have digital
photographs of it sometime next week. I hope. I appreciate
your interest :-)

"I take snapshots of the "full moon" only for it NOT to
work, arrgghh!!!!!!
"

Well perhaps the amazing pale-ness of the moon doesn't show
well enough on a shabby black&white pictograph...

If you don't know what i'm talking about, than don't worry
about it and just continue playing. Eventually you'll
understand :-)



 

offline Dael from the low end (Australia) on 2003-05-28 22:17 [#00719058]
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excellent, yeah I would definitly be on nintendo's case
about a box art design job!

perhaps the amazing pale-ness of the moon doesn't show
well enough on a shabby black & white pictograph...

of course!!!! dael plays nintendos "you just found a new
area/item " melody
that explains alot! thanks surrounded

btw I wonder where cabbog is? there wasn't any other prize
like "win 2 weeks away on a cabana talking about game design
with shiggsy" was there? I'm sure he'll pop up sooner or
later...



 

offline pomme de terre from obscure body in the SK System on 2003-05-28 22:20 [#00719061]
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I hope he didn't get such a bad stomachache that he had to
go to the hospital.


 

offline surrounded from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-05-29 03:01 [#00719203]
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"I would definitly be on nintendo's case about a box art
design job!
"

Hm... i must say i really dislike almost all of the
gamecube boxart i've seen so far. All those cold and
sterile computer graphics... it's like they purposely
drained every last bit of character and personality out of
mario & co. On the pikmin-box it looks like they just used a
screenshot! :-p Lord knows they need a proper artist for
their boxart ;-) I remember the good old snes-days, when the
boxart was often very pretty.

"that explains alot! thanks surrounded"

Don't mention it. i remember how annoying it was when i kept
showing that guy pictographs of the moon and he kept saying
they weren't pale enough :-p
Also, i love that music when you make a discovery! It gets
me so excited every time i hear it!

"I hope he didn't get such a bad stomachache that he had
to go to the hospital.
"

Ehm... why would he have gotten a stomachacha all of a
sudden? Did i miss something?



 

offline Cabbog from Chautauqua (United States) on 2003-05-29 12:18 [#00719759]
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To my devoted public:

My prehistoric PC finally succumbed to father time last
friday and was given a proper burial in the back yard("Die
motherfucker, die motherfucker, die!"). I hope to have a
new one within the next two months - Until then I'll be on
roughly once a week for a scant hour or so, during which
I'll be using most of the time replying to e-mails, catching
up on the news, etc.
Keep me in your prayers.
Surrounded : I knew you'd pull it off. Unfortunately the
console I'm using won't allow me to check the links you
posted - I better be getting a Swiss package in the mail
sometime soon. You've made me proud boy.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-05-29 12:27 [#00719767]
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Look forwards to seeing your full return to the board. Get a
DC - cheap internet access...


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2003-05-29 14:09 [#00719855]
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!1 I missed you, and now I find I'll be
missing you in the long term as well. I'll be waiting for
you, and I'll definitely have Zelda by then. I'm almost
certainly getting it tomorrow, they have a new shipment in
and I'm all set. Too bad you can't share in my joy. :_-(


 

offline Cabbog from Chautauqua (United States) on 2003-05-29 15:15 [#00719986]
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"I'm almost certainly getting it tomorrow"
If I had a heart container for every time I heard that. My
job interview went really well yesterday and I'm almost
certainly getting it. And when I say "I'm almost certainly
getting it", I mean I'm almost certainly getting it.
Re: JC DC - Thanks, I'll investigate. You and Ophecks both
need to check out Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow for GBA - It
totally ownZ Jew both.


 

offline Cabbog from Chautauqua (United States) on 2003-06-03 17:54 [#00725931]
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Well? Well? Well?


 

offline Cabbog from Chautauqua (United States) on 2003-06-03 18:30 [#00725987]
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Surrounded:
Your diary looks fantastic. Inspiring.
We need to meet up sometime.


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2003-06-17 03:13 [#00744205]
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How do I feel about this game? Disapointed. I got it a few
days ago.

Now, it's a great game... I personally LOVE the much
maligned graphical style. This isn't even CLOSE to Ocarina
of Time though. That game made me a MAN. I came of age
playing that. When I beat the Water Temple... I was the most
powerful person on Earth. That was real cause to celebrate.

This is too easy, I haven't been in any danger at all yet, a
few dungeons in. And I've read elsewhere that it doesn't get
any harder, that's a huge disapointment.

The atmosphere of the game isn't good enough... there was
always this underlying feeling of gloom and doom in the
other ones... who didn't feel cold and wet when starting out
Link to the Past? Who didn't shed a tear when you found your
uncle lying dead in the dungeon? Who didn't fear the skull
passageways in the Dark Forest? Who didn't cower in terror
as they turned every dark corner of Death Mountain with
nothing but a lamp and a big dose of courage? And the music
was always appropriately foreboding and the bosses were
intimidating. I used to hate (in a good way) going to the
Dark World and seeing all the landmarks run down.

And Ocarina of Time was loaded with a sense of loneliness
that heroes should feel! They're ALONE! Hyrule Field (as
disapointingly barren as it was) was a pretty spooky place
at night when you were galloping though it on your trusty
steed. The dungeons in that game were absolutely brilliant,
the best of its kind I think... other than that VILE Water
Temple! I still don't know how I beat that, to this day.
Even little things like going into town at night and having
the place empty... that made me feel so alone. And I felt so
sorry for the girl at the ranch. And that graveyard was, at
the time, my favorite 3D environment ever, I loved standing
at the top and looking at the windmill silouette in the
distance and the lightning crashing... the rain... mmmm.
Really made you solemn. The forest dungeon has really stuck
in my mind with those twisted hallways and the


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2003-06-17 03:13 [#00744206]
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The forest dungeon has really stuck in my mind with those
twisted hallways and the overgrown foilage at the entrance.
And the desert dungeon felt so isolated and detached from
the rest of Hyrule. I really felt uncomfortable. The
graphics were fairly realistic and just had such a thick
gooey surreal realism about them, the enemies didn't look
like pushovers.

I've felt nothing but joy playing Windwaker, and that's not
a good thing or a bad thing... I'm really enjoying this and
I've talked to every villager, searched every nook and
cranny of the environs (I agree that that town where you get
the sail is fantastic!), I'm trying everything, doing all
kinds of neat wonderful things, and grinning every couple of
minutes, but this isn't how it's supposed to be. I don't
fear ANYTHING. I don't go into a dungeon worried that it'll
eat the better part of my afternoon like the Ocarina days!
It's very leisurely.

I do love the brother-sister relationship between Link (Jay,
as they call him in my save, ho ho) and Aryll. You can tell
he really cares for her and they're not the stereotypical
fighting siblings who eventually warm up to each other and
learn not to take each other for granted. I'm feeling the
love tonight and I'm glad the damsel in distress isn't
always a generic princess. Zelda was boring, man. I also
like Tetra... cel shaded girls are just adorable!

I'm only a few dungeons in, so all of this may change, but
so far, this is Ocarina-Lite. I like it a lot though, but
this isn't the Zelda I grew up with. I don't want to say
it's ''shallow'' because it's simply too well crafted and
clever, but it's so easy that I have to think it's a bit
style over substance.


 

offline MachineofGod from the land of halo's (United States) on 2003-06-17 10:04 [#00744694]
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I know what you mean but, I think windwaker is a completely
refined oot. im stuck right now and dont know where to go
but I understand that its easier but its not that easy,
theres some difficult moments but oot wasnt that hard either
if you ask me.

just play some more, im not that far into it yet either but
Im liking it more and more as I keep playing it, you might
too.

where are you at right now in it?


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2003-06-17 13:17 [#00744970]
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I just beat the second ''official'' dungeon, the woods.

The game is fantastic, a 9 out of 10 on the general scale...
I'm really only disapointed relative to Zelda 3 and
Ocarina... and there's no shame finishing below those two.
It's better than Star Fox Adventures and just about every
other action RPG on the market.

The sailing is going to get very monotonous though.


 

offline surrounded from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-06-17 13:26 [#00744979]
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shit, i don't know why i didn't search for this thread
earlier. That sucks man :-( I wondered why you had
dissapeared from the board suddenly... but now i see your
computer gave up on you... bad bad news. I hope you'll be
able to get new one soon.

"Your diary looks fantastic. Inspiring."

Thanks! :-)
I'm such a lazy bastard sometimes... but i promise
i'm going to be making and sending your package with all the
photos this weekend! Really, i swear, no more
delays.

"We need to meet up sometime."

Yes, ideally we should. It's a shame you live on the other
side of the world. I'd love for us to do a project together
(or as it would most likely turn out: just sit around and
play videogames ;-)). But who knows, maybe someday eh?


 

offline surrounded from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-06-17 13:37 [#00744998]
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Ophecks, i kind of agree with you that the wind waker is a
bit too easy and short. The dungeons should have been more
challenging. Reading your detailed
ocarina-of-time-description made me realise that wind waker
is lacking in that department.

But i still think this is the best zelda so far. In
my opinion it totally makes up for all it's shortcomings
purely through the amazing atmosphere! The graphics, the
people, the architecture, the towns, the mailbox-system...
everything just works together to make Hyrule feel alive!
Much more so than in OOT. Just walking around and looking at
the surroundings is an experience in itself.

"like going into town at night and having the place
empty... that made me feel so alone.
"

Well what about all those lonely nights out at sea? Or all
the little islands where no-one lives. (the
triangle-islands... or the secret cabana with no-one but the
talking door)... i felt pretty isolated on those islands.

I also think, as you'll play further and begin to understand
the story of this game, and how this land came to look like
it does... you'll start to appreciate it more. I hope :-p

"The sailing is going to get very monotonous
though.
"

No! Never! :-p
Later on you'll discover a warp-system, but i honestly only
used that two times (one time when i just discovered it, to
see how it works. And the other time for a specific puzzle
that requires you to warp)... I made all the other
trips manually. I just love the sailing. Those beautiful
waves, watching the day turn into night. Seeing seagulls
flying along with you for a little while... the sudden
storms you sometimes get caught up in... it's so charming...
i loved every second of it :-)


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2003-06-22 11:54 [#00751780]
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The sailing's not as bad as I thought it would be... I just
read something while I'm waiting, it's a nice break. I'm
really not too fond of it in general though. Ocarina
disapointed me in the ''travel'' aspect too, Hyrule Field
was so... underwhelmingly empty! But it's the dungeons that
make the game for me so I don't really mind... Windwaker is
pretty good in that department, but there's definitely not
enough dungeons! I know they had a couple more planned but
couldn't get them in... but the ones that are there are
fantastic of course.

It's a 5 star game, don't get me wrong... one of the best
I've played. I'm pretty far in now and it's clear that I
don't like it as much as Ocarina... but there's no shame in
that, 99.99999999% are lesser than Ocarina.

I got an Xbox and I've been exploring that library the last
couple of weeks... been playing Spinter Cell for about 48
hours straight now so not much Zelda-ing lately... I feel
bad about that.

After Windwaker, which I'll probably beat next week, I've
GOT to track down Majora's Mask. I'm really in the mood. My
N64 analog sticks are unplayably stiff now, though. :_-(


 

offline GiraffePancakes from Sydney (Canada) on 2003-06-22 13:49 [#00751980]
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Manjora's Mask?!!? .....you make me sick!


 

offline surrounded from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-06-23 06:17 [#00753003]
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Obviously you don't know what you're talking about :-p
Majora's Mask is one of the best Zelda-games ever.

You are aware ofcourse ophecks, that Majora's Mask has even
less dungeons than WindWaker. But the game is definitly more
challenging though. It took me about just as long as OOT to
complete it.

Anyway, Cabbog... when and if you get a chance to read this:
EMPTY YOUR MAILBOX! I tried to mail you, but it said you
were over your storage-limit. Well it was just to let you
know your package is in the mail anyway... so i suppose when
you read this i won't have to mail you anymore.

But i also attached a picture of Shigeru's autograph for you
to drool over... you're missing out on that now ;-)


 

offline Dael from the low end (Australia) on 2003-07-01 01:17 [#00763319]
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as far as dissapointments are concerned I was hoping for a
more developed version of the fishing pond in Ocarina of
time, I thought it could have had heaps of potential in the
windwaker engine :(


 


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