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You don't want to be free? |
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Nora, I am just anti-twat, and that my friend is you |
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Wow, nacmat, I know you're like almost 30 and still live with your parents and everything, and have experienced so much...I'm sure you are the leading authority on what is going on in Iraq. Heh...reverse brainwashing... |
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if US wants to make peace so badly, worldwide, why don't they stop the war between palestins and israelis? |
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along those same lines, why doesn't the rest of the world step in to help create peace between the palestinians & israelies? what's the UN doing to help? or the arab community? is turning a blind eye helping the situation there? |
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did the refusal to take action save lives in rowanda? it's not always as cut and dried as saying that refusal to take action saves lives. it's a shitty thing that in the real world it has to come down to that, but sometimes military action can actually save lives. it's really easy to be anti war, but in reality sometimes it can actually be the lesser of two evils. who will ever know until after the fact? the reality is that even after the fact it's still not always clear. |
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Children stop fighting, I will pull this car over... |
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"...palestins and israelis?" Because Palestine is not recognized as a country but as a territory with "something" they call Palestinians. Basically, WWII is exploated to its depths. "Children stop fighting, I will pull this car over..." I still love your avatar no matter who you think you are and what you think you did. Say, are those your real eyebrows? |
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regardless of whether or not certain iraqis are better off now, i can assure you that the world is taking a turn for the worse by allowing america to stick its war penis into everything in sight... think the israel-palestine conflict is bad? just wait until multiple third world nations get so desperate and furious that they have no problem with killing all westereners indescriminately... |
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It wouldn't surprise me if most of the "facts" in the first post are demonstrably false or at best misleading. I don't have the time to check the veracity of each and every one, though -- it would have helped if the guy had gone to the trouble of actually citing sources. But here's the main reason for my doubt: there is one I know for certain to be bullshit: "Girls are allowed to attend school for the first time ever in Iraq." The "first time ever"? Iraqi girls were attending school before the war, and this immediately calls the rest of the purported facts into question. |
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namcat, your image you have created on this message board over the past few years that I have been here, ...... .....has just been crushed by this thread. In all honestly, you sound like a 15yr old........not the other figure I am so used to associating with your name/avatar. Sorry, |
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politics brings out the best in people. .. now come on.. . if the us wanted a fair government.. . and indeed if it actually wanted to be a democracy rather than the obvious republic that it is why not vote for politicians that AREN'T religious and AREN'T involved with major corporations and greedy profit seeking individuals. .. |
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we're talking about US taking actions here...and as far as i know, european comunity is very preocupied with this problem...i doubt they would ever take military actions though. "it's really easy to be anti war, but in reality sometimes it can actually be the lesser of two evils" ok, that is why i asked about the palestin and israel...more people are getting killed there than iraq, but still US doesn't seem to care...im thinking simply because there's nothing in it for them...but, ofcourse you (and many aothers) don't think so, so we will never agree im affraid :) ah, well...maybe i'll be convinced one day that they really care for people :) |
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Nuff said. |
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This whole thing of justifying the iraq intervention retrospectively as humanitarian, when at the time it was quite blatantly motivated by other factors (oil, US need to relocate from saudi arabia) and sold on others still (fictitious saddam - al-qaida links, WMD), really pisses me off. I think military intervention is sometimes a necessary evil, if you take a utilitarian view of ethics etc. So where was the congo's intervention (1 million dead in the past 3 years due to civil war)? And rwanda's? These would have been a walkover compared to iraq, and achieved so much more. In fact, if we're talking about interventions, let's start with some fucking aids drugs and clean water. |
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yes...and education. 1,000,000 projected Aids orphans in South africa over the next 10 years. The Earth needs to be balanced. |
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i've posted this little stat before but it always bears repeating: 30,000 people die every day from preventable diseases. (world health organisation report) and of course they suffer for a long time before that. clean water sources and mass vaccination programmes would sort much of this out. put the tragic 3000 dead from 9/11 in perspective, people. |
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elusive: this were my pots in this thread: _________________________________________________ Bush = murderer what USA has done for money = genocide _________________________________________________ LOL nora: aznar is such a liar, I understand how he is so nice friend with bush both liars both murderers, both corrupt but at least bush is powerful, not like that sad small being called aznar... poor thing __________________________________________________ I am sure soldiers in iraq are trying to do their best now to improve those people´s lifes... but at first that war should have never taken place.... not for money and maybe some of those stats are true, which is good for iraq... but what a bout the 40 people who died today in a wedding? or the prisioners being humiated? its normal that we disbelieve __________________________________________________ no, I am sorry but your war was illegal, as the UN was against... well you didnt even let the UN vote for that... you just decided to attack on your own I say "you" talking about the US goverment you seem to be so proud of ___________________________________________________ fuck bush ___________________________________________________ nora, I am sorry but I think you are the ignorant here, but hey thats just my ignorant opinion I just pray so that USA dont bomb my country if they find they could make money out of it __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ so, elusive: what exactly made you think those were the posts of a 15 year old? I was talking serious, sorry to have dissapointed you, but thats how I feel and think. |
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"im thinking simply because there's nothing in it for them..." That is what I meant too! |
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i didnt mean to offend you either, sorry for thinking the way I do. and yes, my life sounds pathetic as described in your post, thanks for reminding me. I wont forget the next time I want to give my opinion |
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"and of course they suffer for a long time before that. clean water sources and mass vaccination programmes would sort much of this out. " Form uneliable sources of information: In North America few years ago students who were vaccinated were injected with some virus that attacks monkeys which was gradually destroying their brains In X-Yugoslavia, America was offering some kind of a help (in area where I lived in) with altered plant seeds. They were doing experiments on people that way, and Yugoslavian government did not want their help. US was very insulted after the offer was rejected and they started doing some bad things because of that. |
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Now, what kind of a help is that if it makes you more miserable? Lets talk about terrorism eh? |
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What about Saddam? |
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if it wasn't for those pretty pictures of saddam found in a hole by our soldiers qaddafi wouldn't have given up the tons of mustard gas canisters which he had hidden in a farm in libya. mustard gas are wmd's for people who don't know what they are. i guess we didnt find wmd's in iraq but we indirectly did result in finding wmd's elsewere. qaddafi gave up his weapons to get on the us's good side AND he's not stupid he gained free trade with us as well after coming forward. not a stupid man like our friend saddam. |
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Saddam Hussein, meet Donald Rumsfeld. This humanitarian effort bullshit is getting on my nerves. Spare me the dubious altruism and revert to the non-interventionist nation we are supposed to be. |
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mappatazee i've seen that picture in a million other forums. when nobody has anything intelligent to debate about they end up posting that picture. i guess things would've been better if we left saddam in power seeing as rumsfeld was shaking hands with saddam 2 1/2 decades ago. err... |
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wtf? you do not make clear what kind of vaccination this was, if it was an experimental procedure, or any other details. You have a laughably poor understanding of what vaccination actually is, or the scale of what it has done to eradicate disease. Number of people who died of hunger on 11/09/2001: 24,000 Number of children killed by diarrhoea on 11/09/2001: 6,020 Number of children killed by measles on 11/09/2001: 2,700 from New Internationalist Magazine Get terrorism in context. , |
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i'm sorry to dissapoint you but i have a clear understanding as to what they mean by vaccination *coughs and points down* The U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), through a $7 million grant to UNICEF, is co-sponsoring a national children's vaccination program in Iraq. The funds are being used to purchase vaccines, syringes and cold chain equipment which will support child immunizations for one year. There are approximately four million children under the age of five in Iraq; another 75,000 children are born every month. The immunizations protect the children against preventable diseases including whooping cough, tetanus, polio, diphtheria, tuberculosis, Hepatitis B, polio and measles. USAID and UNICEF are worldwide partners in immunizing the world's children. UNICEF has maintained a national immunization strategy in Iraq for the past 23 years. Just prior to the conflict, a national measles vaccination campaign was carried out by UNICEF, which resulted in a national coverage rate of an estimated 85% of all Iraqi children under the age of five. Previous campaigns, known as National Immunization Days, have lead to relatively high rates of vaccination against measles, mumps, rubella, diphtheria, whooping cough and polio. There has not been a new reported case of polio in Iraq in the past three years. |
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Like I said, altruism is not our job and it is immoral. |
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i would say your dont give a fuck attitude about global security is the extremist thinking of altruism, but thats just my honest opinion what do i know... |
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There has not been a new reported case of polio in Iraq in the past three years. So all this has been achieved before the current occupation? Something tells me you're not even reading the stuff you're copying and pasting into your posts |
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I think it's safe to say that we now live in a far more dangerous world than before the war. How much worse Saddam was compared to the big religious leaders in the area remains to be seen. Terrorism is much more likely with all this instability. BTW: I wonder how many of the pro war people are also pro Israel zionist, maybe it has something to do with Israel, given their relations with Iraq in the past... |
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"global security" That's a made up word. |
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i know exactly what i posted. unicef is an organization which provides medical care to underprivlegaed individuals. if you read the first paragrah it states they just received a 7 million dollar grant enabling them to help more people in a grandeur scale. so my question is. what is the point of your article it states vaccination is essential. thats what we're trying to do as you can obviously tell. so please explain to me what is your problem with whats going on. |
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I most definitely give a fuck about global security, which is why the bush administration's policies give me such cause for concern. : global warming is a greater threat to the world than terrorism. |
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Global warming is not a threat. Volcanos emit far more greenhouse gases in a year than we do. By far. |
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so we agree vaccination is essential. now, how about we take that lovely £7 million; then we add to it the $100+ billion spent on the military excursion into iraq? and perhaps help the children of countries without oil as well? oh dear, too late. you give me no reason why vaccination programmes in iraq need be accompanied by a hugely unpopular military presence. |
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link please, mapp |
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theirs still tyrants present in iraq. theres still conflict going on as we speak. thats why we're trying to secure the country until elections start up and running around June 30th when we intend to give up soveriegnty to iraq. |
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but we may be upsetting the balance between gases. |
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"theirs still tyrants present in iraq. theres still conflict going on as we speak. thats why we're trying to secure the country until elections start up and running around June 30th when we intend to give up soveriegnty to iraq." yeah, the tyrants are the US, and the conflict is from Iraqis who dont want us (and rightfullly so) in thier country. and do you REALLY think that they will regain control on June 30th? I'm sorry, but you just seem to believe everything you are told regarding this whole situation, and you turn everything around to be pro-US. you said: "if it wasn't for those pretty pictures of saddam found in a hole by our soldiers qaddafi wouldn't have given up the tons of mustard gas canisters which he had hidden in a farm in libya. mustard gas are wmd's for people who don't know what they are. i guess we didnt find wmd's in iraq but we indirectly did result in finding wmd's elsewere. qaddafi gave up his weapons to get on the us's good side AND he's not stupid he gained free trade with us as well after coming forward. JESUS CHRIST. So you are justifying all of this, by what we found in a different country? An entire war, is ok because of this? Of course you dont want to hear any of this... so its kind of pointless. Youll just say something about me being a paranoid, misinformed, traitor or something. But I tell you this, and I hope you really dwell on it for awhile: you attitude is more dangerous then terrorism. |
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-perhaps someone could back me up on this one: i believe i had read that Qaddafi had been offering some sort of reconciliation with the Americans since before the Clinton administration ended, and that it is basically only being brought up/addressed now because of its usefulness as a publicity tool... does this sound familiar to anyone? anyone have a good link? -secondly, America's per capita spending on humanitarian relief in Iraq and elsewhere pails in comparison to other countries, particularly when you do consider just how much money they are spending on their military... you say that they must spend lots on military to snuff out tyranny (although some might call it self determination, you know?), but the fact of the matter is that they wouldn't still be having this war on such a large scale if they truly were a beneficial alternative to the Ba'athists (sorry if this is misspelt) <-- perhaps they have running water now, but how many months did it take? and yet whenever significant problems occur, they have no problem dropping billions of dollars of explosives out of the sky... |
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Wow. I didn't actually think that there were Americans who actually believed what the Bush gang said. Rumsfeld lays on his back at night wanking over a fantasy like you. |
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Then how much is enough? $7 Million in perspective seems like chumpchange to the military spending. Uhh, sorry. We'll just take our 7 mil back since you guys don't want it. sigh, "I think it's safe to say that we now live in a far more dangerous world than before the war." Yeah, does the word you use, "we" include Iraqis???? |
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typical, typical, typical... and yes, i think "we" does include iraqis. |
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why is it so hard to accept for some, that US is in this mostly for money? |
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(is there "Sherpa" in Slovenian) ?? |
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you mean if we have our name for sherpa's? i thought that was a universal name :) we call them Å¡erpa. see :) |
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