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- revenge - saddam was a bad guy - enforce the multiple UN resolutions - land for military base not in saudi arabia - wmd - oil - finish up daddy's work - help people of iraq - jobs for haliburton probably all of those reasons to varying degrees, and a lot we don't and will never know |
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I agree with the religion part, it only causes war and is only there if you cannot find a meaning for life youself, and believe in your own life. But I thought this was an Iraq thread, not a religious one mate. |
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- we already had huge numbers of troops nearby - bush had enough of his term left to do it - possible al qaeda link |
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namcat, "Bush = murderer what USA has done for money = genocide" Personally, this war is hurting my pocket book. Please do tell just how much money you think we are benefiting from this. Cause last time I checked, it's really not helping the economy. Bush = Murderer??? Maybe, Maybe not. I don't have 1st hand experience to really draw a definite opinion so easily. How I feel about Bush is this. At least he has the "balls" to go after something. Far too many leaders sit on hot topics until they cool down. Many do not want to risk actually DOING SOMETHING about a situation; they would rather not take a chance at hurting their career or reputation. -------------- altai, "you are not rulers of the world, you do not have the right answer to everything, everywhere doesnt want a McDonalds, that why you get so much shit. And you can eat it. " I agree with Nora. Absolute stereotype. You may see my country as trying to be rulers/policia of the world, but comon. At least we are doing something. I don't see many other countries going OUT OF THEIR way to help some people in a situation. This is another debate topic entirely so I will leave that as that, and not continue down that trail. |
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Why wouldnt it? |
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I CHALLENGE ALL OF YOU MOTHERFUCKERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DIE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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and the acurate bombs dont mean shit, doesnt stop it hitting a school "acuratly" which has happened, |
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Ninja, Please. :D |
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"Why wouldnt it?" That kind of smile is not seen often. |
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or a wedding. which the US denies. |
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Hey, I was stoned. --giggle-- |
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At least he has the "balls" to go after something. haha, the balls to go after something.. Bush said after 911 that he is going to fight against terrorism. Time passed, he couldnt really get anything proper to show people that he succeeded in that. Then he focused to Iraq, started the war because of weapons of massdestruction. In the end nothing was found. The good thing is that Saddam was defeated, but the rebuilding of the country plan hasnt really worked. |
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--points down-- McFUCKING Guyver!!! |
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"Absolute stereotype. You may see my country as trying to be rulers/policia of the world, but comon. At least we are doing something. I don't see many other countries going OUT OF THEIR way to help some people in a situation. This is another debate topic entirely so I will leave that as that, and not continue down that trail. " I think it is the same debate myself. many other countries are helping you, the UK etc..., but no, USA you is just, US us us, we we we. . Many other countries help other countries, but ultimatly it is up to the citizens of the country itself to change their own regime, when the Kurds tried to overthrow saddam, america didnt do shit, and they were asked. But no, you beieve that you are helping, but you are just causing all this terrorism and killing because the rest of the word, especially these 3rd world countries see you as interfeering and invaders, because you go in there guns blazing and expect good to come of it. its not lawful. But its just the way it is, me, you cant do shit, just sit back and watch the movie. |
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It's funny you face assumptions with assumptions. The thing is that we can't know anything for sure. You may see my country as trying to be rulers/policia of the world, but comon. At least we are doing something This is naive. It is common knowledge that every political change in the history of mankind had a moral excuse and a cause based on power struggle. There are many places in the world were people are starving like russia or the darkest dephs of the USA, but you do nothing about that. "Comon" don't buy that bullshit. |
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bush's cowboy attitude is the main problem. not every decision he's made is totally bad, but his smug attitude is creating a lot of problems for us, and totally destroying america's image to the rest of the world. |
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Hey, I was stoned. --giggle-- I can't tell... Picture is B&W and eyes are clear. |
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what a load of gobshite |
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PhystPhukt, "Yeah, and we accomplished all this while managing to 'quiet' the people who DOTN want the US there by torturing them in Iraqi prisons with electricity and whatnot. " I do take heartful disgust at this. I am not trying in any way to justify those acts, but here goes: 1. Marines are humans. Albiet trained to lose some of their conscious thinking. 2. Marines are fighting a war. Friends, soldiers, comrads, die. 3. Human aspect of a marine takes over at times. War can do crazy things to a man's mind. 4. Marine might try to take out aggressions over lost soldiers on the captured iraqis. 5. Some marines may absolutely not want to be there. Feel they are fighting a worthless war, etc. Take out some agression on an Iraqi. Justification, HELL NO. Fucking, court marshall and jail those basturds. But hey, again let me state the facts. You and I are not fighting this war. We are taking all speculations and resolving assumptions upon information we receive from the media. Remember this. All cheap shots, attacks, assumptions, are mostly that. I try to realize that I do not walk in their shoes. I do not know how they have lived. I sit in my house with my technology, freedom, comfort, etc. I do not walk around in fear of me or my family being executed for not pledging to a tyrant. I honestly don't understand how some of you can take a topic that you are so against, or for, and continue to push weight behind your assumptions and uneducated/experienced opinions. You cannot lump everything into two sums. As for the 1st post that created this mess, I really hope those figures are true so I can feel better about what is going on, and what soldiers have fallen for. As many of you continue to state that my country is in this for the money, or the oil....please do speak up about what oil we got out of the 1st Desert Storm, and just how well this war is doing for our economy. |
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I opinion exactly. And you should SEE the fuckers here in America with all their pride bullshit, eating uo every word that BushHead says like candy. And when you disagree (or want to marry someone of your own sex) they say shit like "This is the greatest country ever! If you dont like it, you can get out! No country has a much freedom as we do!!" Yeah, cos America dances on the backs of the bruised.... Its sickening. |
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Please take a step back, understand this, and then continue with your respected opinion. Good day. |
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Thats what the smile means tho'. "Good weed" |
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Did and Done, and I still stand by what I believe, you have the right to do the same. |
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America, YOU ARE FREE TO DO AS WE TELL YOU YOU ARE FREE TO DO AS WE TELL YOU YOU ARE FREE TO DO AS WE TELL YOU |
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good news for people who love bad news &WE'LLALLFLOATONNNN |
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Official song of this thread: Primal Scream - Detroit |
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hyakusen, "I CHALLENGE ALL OF YOU MOTHERFUCKERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DIE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Cool, Thanks for shitting in this thread. Next time, I would actually like to hear your opinion.....if you've even took the time to formulate one. |
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"please do speak up about what oil we got out of the 1st Desert Storm, and just how well this war is doing for our economy." we didnt get the oil. thats why we are back. its not the economy its helping. its the major corporations. they make fuckloads. the citizens get taxed, and fucked sideways |
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Can't we all just agree that this is fucked, there is nothing we can do about it. And just pause for every human being, regradless of country, that has been killed by this. Agreed? (one moment of peace for once without killing on this panet) everyone say agree? |
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I agree. War for Peace is like Eating meat for the sake of the animals. Meat......So hungry. |
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Doomed Puppy , "This is naive. It is common knowledge that every political change in the history of mankind had a moral excuse and a cause based on power struggle. There are many places in the world were people are starving like russia or the darkest dephs of the USA, but you do nothing about that. "Comon" don't buy that bullshit. " I can totally agree with you on this. I understand that a major factor is that we "get something out of the deal" for many attempts. I do try to allow myself to understand that we can't save the world. We have to pick our battles. It's a chess game. (<--Oh god, that quote is gonna hurt me in this thread). I hope you people are not taking my debate and arguments on a per-quote basis that I am 100% gunh0 for this war. There are many things I am against. Alas, living in this country is going to skew the true representation of my opinion. Again, I have to tell myself that I am not walking in those shoes, so my true opinions have no real experience or background information in the very debate I am arguing. I am only speaking from reference of thought, discussion with others, and speaking with people from that country. (I love outside of Dearborn, MI....the largest populated area of people from that area, in all of the US). |
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*live |
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altai, "But no, you beieve that you are helping, but you are just causing all this terrorism and killing because the rest of the word, especially these 3rd world countries see you as interfeering and invaders, because you go in there guns blazing and expect good to come of it. its not lawful. But its just the way it is, me, you cant do shit, just sit back and watch the movie. " Understood. And it does get hard when 250million people are lumped together into what is known as the United States. We have leaders creating this image for us. After reading about what people think about the US, it kind of makes me realize just how important image is. (Although, good image and bad internal interworks, can be just as evil....as we have seen (in iraq, especially))................ I take offense and cannot do anything about it. People talk about the US, refer to me ... and everyone in this country for believing or doing a certain thing that the elected has considered. It's a tiresome, neverending debate and as long as I restrict myself from showing or feeling hate towards an opposing individual for their opinion, I feel that I have won. I don't feel that expressing a right opinion, or proving anyone wrong makes me 'win' or feel good about myself. I just like to take advantage of this free education; discussing current events with people all over the world. Ahh, technology. Without it, the world would be a much quieter place. :) Think about all the previous battles, wars, etc. How much would have changed with technology. Once the media gets ahold, and skews it. Mr. and Mrs. Bias. It's hard, but try to keep in mind this is the first real...."war" (I guess,) that has been this technological driven. We are getting war updates in real time, on my cell phone, PDA, TV, etc. It's quite an overwhelming feeling, and I feel that is one of the largest reasons for all the uprisings. |
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altai, "Can't we all just agree that this is fucked, there is nothing we can do about it. And just pause for every human being, regradless of country, that has been killed by this. Agreed? (one moment of peace for once without killing on this panet) " Much needed moment...........................taken. Cheers, :) |
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"Thats what the smile means tho'. "Good weed"" Really? let me hear your music (if you make any) or hear/see whatever creative things you do (if you do). |
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... unless you took so much and gave nothing in return. |
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yikes! new thread please! |
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NP I just want to know whether someone will put a prce-tag on a smile for me. |
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10 bucks. Pay phobiazero |
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It costs 45 cents. |
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Please, on topic? |
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WHERE THE HELL DID YOU GET SUCH GOOD WEED FOR 45CENTS !????? |
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Haha!! At Club 1, the Dj gave it to me. |
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I knew it.... you take too much. |
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The level of ignorance here is quite shocking. For relaxing times, I indulge in some John Pilger |
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Back to topic... yes, bush is indirectly a murder. We are all indirectly murderers. Problem is that some of us are capable of seeing the consequences of out actions while some of us aren't. Lets say I go to a store, buy some cheap shoes and come back. I don't think that someone was exploated just so that I can have nice clothe. There is also a limit to which our actions can influence the outher world. I can't kill a Martian just by taking a glass of water here on Earth. At the present stage America believes in its power. What determines who and how someone should be exploated. America is not investing in Iraq without any reason. |
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true. |
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good news are my favourite! |
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elusive i dont know why you give people like 'altai' the time of day. he is a hypocrite/walking contradiction. he says that our methods are incorrect yet if it wasn't for 'western civilization' that ignorant prick wouldn't have a computer to be typing in. i just let them go on their silly path of ignorance. he is anti american and people like that cannot change regardless of how much data or good things come out in the long run of any political agenda. they will still see things one sided. i wonder though what his country is doing to increase national defense, or 1 other nation for that matter- probably bubkis. |
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nora, I am sorry but I think you are the ignorant here, but hey thats just my ignorant opinion I just pray so that USA dont bomb my country if they find they could make money out of it |
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