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nacmat I think you need to have open dialog with these groups otherwise you have no chance of changing anything in the future. The situation with the IRA in Northern Ireland only got better when talks opened properly between all sides. |
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ya... ERC, la verdad, no son muy radicales... no mucho mas que el PNV... solo que con ideas un poco mas de izquierdas... no buscan romper con españa, sino mas bien respeto por las diferencias culturales... quiza si que hubo un poco de radicalizacion del discurso... pero fue como autodefensa ante la agresividad de la polÃtica del PP... que Carod hablara con eta fue mas una chuleada suya que cosa del partido, y es que se le estan subiendo los humos... pero a mi me parece bien... apostar por el diálogo pacifico... ... aunque quiza no era el momento... anyway, ahora empieza un panorama nuevo y soy optimista... zapatero me cae bien y esperemos qu ese inicie una etapa nueva y no volvamos a los tiempos del PSOE post-transicion... |
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espana son cobardes y el momento que tragedia ocurre se van corriendo como un par de pendejos. i'm glad being bilinguals serves some purpose. aposte que en meno de dies anos ustedes abandone ese idiota del poder hypocrites, the kind who want peace to come easily but then go off and play there 3d shooter games in there room before or after whacking off to some porn "wake up and smell the maple nut crunch" dennis leary |
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"para que la cosa no se "derechalice" mucho, sabes?" eso es lo que paso aca en el E.E.U.U. ahora tenemos la derecha y el centro, nada mas. por eso creo que votare independente el problema es que si gana Bush... los muertos en iraq valen mas que un punto politico |
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i don't really know how to feel right now |
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"the kind who want peace to come easily but then go off and play there 3d shooter games in there room before or after whacking off to some porn..." yep, I'm sure that's an accurate description of Marx, the American Left, Spanish people, the Prime Minister of Spain, etc. -- Actually, its probably more an accurate description of you. That is, without the 'want peace' part. |
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xanatos you know whats your problem. your too busy sucking nacmats dick and every other socialist left extremist in this thread to realize whats really going on in the world. lets take ego out of the equation for a second. no where in this country has socialism every aspired to anything but a self profiting gov't which takes no concern about others well being. that be the case not only has spain lost a functioning economy, they're in no position to get any assistance from the US unless they appoint another candidate and for that alone to take place hmm its not easy to say the least. so please stop being saying things are better now. it hasn't even been a week since the bombing. i suppose spains past history as a socialist party plays no part in logic. to make it plain and simple for you to understand people voted out of fear for the wrong reasons. they will regret it. the people who died in that train deserve better. |
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Ra! ra! go! constructive critisism! go! I think when we get to the point where we're calling each other wank-stains and bot-floggers back and forth it's time to take a breather. Shame since there's some worthy opinions in here, from what I read. Didn't read it all cos, frankly, political debate bores the tits off me, but I thought that starting out by calling the Spanish people spineless was a bit tactless. |
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Fucking great post ChildrenTalking!! Very well put! |
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You really are a cock. I actually pity you. |
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Yeah, you're right, socialism doesn't work... but you know what does? Stopping terrorism through aggressive war and occupation! Remember how Israel stopped terror by occupying the West Bank and Gaza Strip in 1967? Or how we stopped Al Qaeda from (repeatedly) hitting Turkey and Spain by outsting the Saddam Hussein regime from power last year. I don't know why the Spaniards just won't get that through their cocksucking communist skulls? I don't know why so many Europeans have trouble with the concept of neverending warfare to stop terror on our soils, its really so simple. Maybe the Spaniards will wake up next election, but by then I'm sure the communist prime minister will already have assumed full dictatorial control. |
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i am cock. i get pity. i take stick and beat him silly |
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xanatos i'm glad you at least pointed out the part of the DICTATORIAL control. thats all i wanted to hear from ur sexy lips ;) |
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Can't respond to any of my points? Thought not. |
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i couldn't because i haven't perfected the art of disputing against sarcasm. i'll be honest with you, if it wasn't for aggression and war! how u put it, not only in israel but any terrorist org. would have established a pan islamic caliphate throughout the world. so save me your hippie shit. |
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oo stick you! Anyway, being a student and avid follower of politics, i must refer the right honourable gentleman to Bernstien's Revisionism. In about the 1920s, a new form of socialism had arrived. While Marx had said that socialism could happen through the ballot box, the real social was a revolutionary creed. Bernstien had the revolutionary idea that capitalism could be 'tamed' rather than abolished. Therefore, collectivisation of industry could be replaced by careful 'nationalisation' (see 1945's Atlee Labour government), while private industry could still work. Therefore, european social democracy was flavoured by a more progresive liberal stand point. Therefore, the individual could realise their potential, with the state being positive in this, i.e. NHS, welfare state etc.... Then, as the new right politics influenced by Adam Smith's 18th century, social democracy around Europe began to fail, as the long boom of the 1960s died. With the rise of Thatcher and Reagan, the left had to rethink its aims. Therefore, a 'New' revisionism was created. Now, capitalism was less and less controlled, and the industries that were privatised stayed privatised. Rights and responsibilties were now the aim of the game. The 'socialist' government of Blair now was based on the ideology of communitarian liberalism. Where the individual is part of a community, and has rights, i.e. the right to work, health etc, but also responsibilities, to get into and stay in employment, pay taxes and generally give back to the community. Therefore, when you say that they have got a 'communist' government, it would be wise to think that the term is a contenous one, and not a blanket term for a government that doesn't rely on the free market to help everyone. |
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DEAR OSAMA PLEAS BOMB SPANE IT WILL BE GOOD FOR MY CAMPAIN STRATGEY YOUR FREND GEORGE |
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i dont understand how my response gets attacked with erroneous replies yet something like fleetmouse doesn't get commented on at all. oh wait i know why because its idiotic. |
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man, I must say I'm very honored to post on the same message board as someone who is so brilliant and smart, that they know whats best for a country, then 70-some percent of its voting population! Spain must be a land of complete morons! Im so glad we have smart americans who know whats best. |
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so when everything falls apart. i would imagine i deserve some sort of award, a golden sticker maybe for class participation |
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and Im not even talking about active political figures! Im talking about just your average guy on a message board! I mean WOW! |
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zeus has obviously some insightful views on current affairs (realizes he is overtaken by his presence and decides to give him the golden star) |
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it is a bit silly, and not very helpful really in this 'adult' discussion about the reprucussions of the sunday's election result. While i would agree that you can really negociate with these terrorists, it isnt really wise to stoke the polarised Islamic world with dubious wars, an aggressive media that paints anyone who wears a turban as a 'suspect' and Guantanamo bay. |
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this whole idea of Spain bowing for the terrorists is so incredibly patronising. it leaves me gasping for air. the people of Spain voted democratically. the larger part of the people wanted political change. there is NO way that anyone can prove that the Spanish were voting out of 'fear'. completely ridiculous. |
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my girlfriend is muslim. i'm jewish. i have yet to do a deep cavity search on her. oh wait i have but it was with good intentions. |
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so... if we sleep with the enemy... everything will work out? |
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peace = love sleeping with people = hopefully love love = peace yay! |
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she is not nuts like some of you. |
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you're being serious about it (apperantly)...and that's just sad |
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i dont understand i thought peace did equal love. dont forget the fairies *throws sprinkles on tolstoyeds head* |
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'She is not nuts like some of you' God that seriously got me laughing out loud. That was just the funniest post I've read in ages. Killer! |
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thanks promo. i've been meaning to talk to you about that promo-tion :p |
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ChidlrenTalking, Tolstoyed is generally a moderate and a pretty ok guy in my book, its the other extremos you want to watch out for. |
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Isn't Tony Blair also a socialist and Chirac more rightwing? If so then it doesn't really matter wether you're left- or rightwing where issues like the war and occupation are concerned, does it? Anyway I don't think anyone can convince the other to change their opinion on a messageboard like this one. |
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>so... if we sleep with the enemy... everything will work >out? spain is not sleeping with the enemy. Zapatero has said he is committed to the war against terror, and bush has said they they are looking forward to working together. See Zapatero is not committed to the US occupation of iraq, but that is a completely different issue to the war against terror ... unless you watch fox news etc .... If you want to know why its a different issue, |
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in regards to laser beak's response. i agree you need a left and right wing to fffffllllly! promo>i love tolystoyed its not very often i get to see a dog and a woman interchange every second. |
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fucking hell...I'm sure tolst will be extremely happy that some condesending cock thinks he is pretty ok. |
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haha, not sure for how long will i hold to being moderate :) "its the other extremos you want to watch out for" i doubt we need to watch out each other...after all we're a very peaceful community. |
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Tony made one mistake, he brought WMD into the equation over Iraq. It gave the opposers some argument to use against him. It was a weak and unnessary thing to do; it was always about the humanitarian issue. He felt he needed more of a reason to do what always needed to be done. That was his mistake. |
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I was being facetious. |
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:-). |
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haha...god you are stupid. Really annoyingly stupid and ignorant. I really am having trouble understanding just how you can be so stupid and ignorant...is your dad your brother? Or did they refuse to send you to school? Please explain. |
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Is Tony Blair the only supporter of the Iraq war in Europe now? |
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ecnadniarb> you're just angry because when i asked you about israels situtation all you could come up with was that israel has have taken over the gaza strip, which techinically isnt true we use it as leeway to exterminate the rats. |
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The only voluntary one. |
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>I was being facetious. Sorry - this thread is so long I lose track. |
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I am pretty sure I answered every point you raised, however I am bored trying to reason with you. You are obviously incapable of rational discussion symbolised by your continuing use of crappy insults as a response to things you are unable to counter discuss. |
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(tries to take ecnadniarb seriously but his avatar once again has taken my attention) |
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And you don't. |
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theres just too much pussy goin around |
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