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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:35 [#00194395]
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Autechre are the racists representing Europe. The color black is the least-used color on their album covers, spreading the same idea that should walk hand-in-hand with negroes, that they do not belong anywhere.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-04-26 00:35 [#00194397]
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I also said I was just kidding! :) Seriously, I was just making a joke 'cos you had a Union jack flag on and for some reason people associate wearing a union jack with white supremacist groups.
Honestly though, do you really think that a minority can't be racist? To be racist you don't need power, only to behave in a racist manner. Would you say that if a black person who had been beaten up by white youths and got a group of mates together and kicked the shit out of me because I'm white as "an eye for an eye" revenge wouldn't be rascist?
There seems to be a lot of confussion on this thread -despite several people giving accurate definitions- regarding what racism is.
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-04-26 00:37 [#00194400]
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REFLEX will be so proud this got to 100. less than 100 if you minus his own ineffectual mumblings, however ;)
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-04-26 00:37 [#00194401]
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"racism is discrimination + power to make that discrimination effective, thats why the underdog can't be racist "
uh.... hm... NO u dont know what ur talking about get it straight:
i dont know where ur getting this from
racism is (For the last fucking time): "1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior
to others. 2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race. "
ur definition of racism is NOT racism its related to racism, its caused by racism, but it in itself is not racism
fuck, buy a fucking dictionary or something
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:37 [#00194403]
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Star Wars is a racist franchise. There has never been, and would be impossible for a light saber to be black in color. Telling america's youth and young-adults that African Americans have no power to cut the barriers of oppression.
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Loogie
from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:37 [#00194404]
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animal you're totally correct
donkey you're totally wrong
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-04-26 00:38 [#00194405]
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LOL out cygnus last few posts. V. good, shame the opposition lack the intellect to appreciate good ironic humour eh?
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donkey
from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:38 [#00194407]
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im not saying blacks cant be evil just that racism involves INSTITUTIONALIZED power, like south africa pre 90's
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:39 [#00194408]
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Smokehammer is most definitely a racist aswell. The usage of the word "smoke" in his username gives the idea of the burning of Jewish people during the holocuast.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-04-26 00:40 [#00194409]
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fuckwit
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donkey
from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:40 [#00194410]
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a dictionary is a precis, to understand the term "racism" you need to read a bit of social history etc
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Loogie
from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:40 [#00194411]
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it does seem that archrival, donkey etc have their own definition of racism
and it's certainly not the correct one.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-04-26 00:40 [#00194412]
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Throughout this thread brother loogie has, as always, been the voice of reason. Good to hear from you loogie, how you keeping?
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:40 [#00194413]
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Donkey is now twice as racist as he was prior to his last post. Using the terms "black" and "evil" in the same sentence is intended to make African Americans appear as unpleasant in character.
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Loogie
from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:41 [#00194414]
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cygnus you're cracking me up!
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:42 [#00194416]
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Dictionaries are racist. Never in my life have I flipped through the pages of a dictionary with black pages. This is an immature and subliminal joke on the sophisticated language that is Ebonics.
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Loogie
from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:42 [#00194417]
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I'm well, you? I was working in pontyclun recently, at south wales fire service hq... is that near you?
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-04-26 00:44 [#00194419]
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AMinal... you are right literally
BUT > Racial discrimination only occurs effectively AGAINST minority ethnic groups
its smug to suggest whites are victims in their own countries. In fact that view feeds fuckers like Le Pen
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-04-26 00:45 [#00194420]
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What is "precis"?
Naturally dictionaries give biased definitions as they are published by right ring white elitists who use their power to stop the *true* meaning (donkey's) of racism getting to the people.
Let's take the message on to the street:You need power to be rascist! The white trash skinhead who kicks the shit out of the powerful black businessman is not rascist because he is less powerful. Do you see how silly your argument sounds when you look at it this way round? You my friends seem to be "colour blind" not in the sense of not distinguishing between colours, but blinded by colurs- applying different values and rules to people base don the colour of their skins. YOU are in short being very rascist.
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donkey
from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:45 [#00194421]
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racialism: the belief that there are differences between human beings which are inherited such that it they can be ordered into separate races in such a way that each race shares traits and tendencies which are not shared my members of any other race. each race has an 'essence'.
all forms of racism build from the premise of racialism. notice that racialism is not saying anything 'good' or 'bad' about races just that mutually exclusive races absolutely exist and divide the species.
extrinsic racism: the extrinsic racist says that there is a moral component to the 'essence' of a race which warrants differential treatment. these differences are, to the extrinsic racist, not particularly controversial.
intrinsic racism: the intrinsic racist says that the moral 'essence' of a race establishes an incontrovertable status for the race. no matter what an individual member of a race does he should be treated just like the rest of his race.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-04-26 00:47 [#00194422]
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I agree smoke, but the point he's making is that whilst they (whites) aren't usually, they can be.
Loogie: Pontyclun is fairly local. Are you still on soulseek, I haven't had a chance to add you back onto my user list.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:47 [#00194423]
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Smokehammer is now an anti-semmite who also despises muslims, and is a racist. The usage of the word "smug" is a known acronym (created by the White Christian Coalition of America) for Stupid Muslims Unbelieving in God. It is used to communicate the presence of a Muslim during a hate-crime in progress.
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2002-04-26 00:47 [#00194424]
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white people suck
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donkey
from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:47 [#00194425]
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what about speciesism then hey??
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-04-26 00:48 [#00194426]
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there smokehammer cygnus is the classic example of what intellectualing and word play spawns..academia is not just the province of liberals..any fuckwit can go and get rudiments of education and then string rote vocabulary inot opnions and POV's that the liberals can go..hmm..maybe he's got a point..it's just a smoke screen..personally I think cygnus is a racist fuck and would have come out as such if you hadnt warped this thread with..deeper thoughts..racism is a very emotional matter for both the racist and the victim..it needs to be felt and dealt with at gut level..only then the hurt would come across as much as the hatred and anger and only then can people perhaps sit up and take notice..
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donkey
from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:49 [#00194427]
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what about gay hatred? and sexual harrasment
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:49 [#00194428]
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RoyGBivcore is obviously the most racist person here. Featured in his avatar are the colors of the rainbow impaled on a WHITE stick.
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donkey
from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:50 [#00194430]
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most people who say that blacks can't be racist mean to say that blacks cannot and do not exert a system of control against white people. blacks can't get whitefolks tracked into inferior schools, for example. blacks can't deny whitefolks access to capital, blacks cannot create a police department policy that cracks down on whites.
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urb
from Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-04-26 00:51 [#00194431]
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the only one to get this thread right was cygnus. he should get some points for that.
racialism? hehe.. that's a good one.
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donkey
from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:51 [#00194432]
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so let me say three things in conclusion: #1. there is absolutely no question that there are blackfolks who are racist, and if given the opportunity and power, would subject white people to the most profound humiliation, degradation and suffering. in a heartbeat. but they don't have the power, so you might as well ignore them and save yourself a headache.
#2. there is absolutely no question that there are whitefolks who are racist, and if given the opportunity and power, would subject black people to the most profound humiliation, degradation and suffering. in a heartbeat. but they don't have the power, so you might as well ignore them and save yourself a headache.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-04-26 00:51 [#00194433]
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Yes that's right we should go on "gut feeling" and resolve this like animals, with physical violence- get it out of our systems. How stupid, cygnus has made very good points and done nothing to suggest he is rascist.
As to him creating an "intellectual smokescreen" his parodies of white liberal nonsense show his disdain for such things. I'm shocked at how the less people know, the more they seem to be convinced they're right.
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urb
from Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-04-26 00:52 [#00194434]
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gay hatred is so fucking gay.
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Loogie
from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:53 [#00194435]
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ceri jc: yeah still there, add me soon!
I think we need a quick science lesson:
there is ONE human species
there are many races
NOW THE IMPORTANT BIT: pay attention!
races are distinguiested by, wait for it, PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS
nothing more
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:53 [#00194436]
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Urb obviously hates racists.
This makes him a Racistist.
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-04-26 00:53 [#00194437]
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well i completely agree that our society and culture is very racist..... and heavily in favour of white christian people, and pitted against minorities of all types
BUT everyone can be a victom of racism if a bunch of people beat the shit out of me on the way home from school just cus im white, well then.....
i consider that being a victom of racism and i would consider it effective as well
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donkey
from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:53 [#00194438]
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3. Therefore if Blacks exploited White people for economic gain and then justified their exploitation on race then they could also be racists. Here we point out that the acceptance that only White people can be racist is to also accept certain aspects of inferiority. Thus the admission that Blacks by nature and not by circumstance are exploited economically can maintain the exclusive nature of only White racists.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:55 [#00194439]
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Ahp! Loogie's a racist too. Space, as we know it, is black. And is only mentioned ONCE in her entire post. She also uses the word "physical", trying to indicate that there is some type of physical deformation in African Americans.
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-04-26 00:55 [#00194440]
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it depends on how u mean effective
if u mean on a broad social scale.... oppressing groups of people through racism, than ya, only the group in power can do that
but i can still get the shit beat out of me on the way home from school
so anyone can be a victom
BUT..... i know that white people definitly have it much easier than most, and in our society we are heavily favoured
this is bad so, of course, in the broad scope of things, white people are not victoms of racism in terms of how society treats us
(actually, we are, but its positive racism)
but we can also be victoms of negative racism too.... in small incodents, etc
to think that those who "belong to" the group in power can not be hurt is... well stupid
but i completely agree that society is in many ways racist in favour of whites and against other minorites.....
im not some Le Pen, it offensive to be compared to him too
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urb
from Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-04-26 00:55 [#00194441]
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no you got it all wrong. I'm a gayist.
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Loogie
from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:56 [#00194442]
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sorry, distinguished that should say
donkey you've changed your tune, so now you're saying black people CAN be racist?
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-04-26 00:56 [#00194443]
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gut level mean feelings dumb ass..you cant know what a black person is going through due to the ignorance..unless you open your self to that channel ..empathize...otherwise you will flipflop till you are nothing but a jumble of words..
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:56 [#00194444]
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nobody is realizing what's going on
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donkey
from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:56 [#00194445]
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black and white are not different physically, its just the effect of sunshine. black people in cooler climes eventually become white. and whites who liver in hot climes get darker and darker
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urb
from Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-04-26 00:58 [#00194446]
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it's so gay.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:58 [#00194447]
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how much longer are you people going to go on?
did you forget the topic of this thread completely? did you never consider that REFLEX knew you would all PERPETUATE A THOUSAND+ YEAR OLD ARGUMENT?
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donkey
from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:59 [#00194448]
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please, all white people here read this
http://www.theotherside.org/archive/sep-dec97/disturb.html
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donkey
from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:59 [#00194450]
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REFLEX is a total racist, gun toting freak
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-04-26 01:00 [#00194451]
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you are doing most of the perpetuating here..white boy!
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 01:00 [#00194452]
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Well, I haven't read all the posts, but to add my 2 pence..
I know plenty of afro carribeans here who are racist against the asians....whether or not white people are racist to afro carribeans is irrelevent (without sounding like i'm trivialising the matter). It doesn't matter what colour you are, any race can be racist and I completely disagree with you archrival.
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urb
from Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-04-26 01:01 [#00194453]
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and it's not like anything of it is intelligent or anything either.
the trolls are laughing their asses of now you know.. reflex most of all
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