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offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:35 [#00194395]
Points: 11920 Status: Regular



Autechre are the racists representing Europe. The color
black is the least-used color on their album covers,
spreading the same idea that should walk hand-in-hand with
negroes, that they do not belong anywhere.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-04-26 00:35 [#00194397]
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I also said I was just kidding! :)
Seriously, I was just making a joke 'cos you had a Union
jack flag on and for some reason people associate wearing a
union jack with white supremacist groups.

Honestly though, do you really think that a minority can't
be racist? To be racist you don't need power, only to behave
in a racist manner. Would you say that if a black person who
had been beaten up by white youths and got a group of mates
together and kicked the shit out of me because I'm white as
"an eye for an eye" revenge wouldn't be rascist?

There seems to be a lot of confussion on this thread
-despite several people giving accurate definitions-
regarding what racism is.



 

offline smokehammer from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-04-26 00:37 [#00194400]
Points: 1463 Status: Lurker



REFLEX will be so proud this got to 100.
less than 100 if you minus his own ineffectual mumblings,
however ;)


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-04-26 00:37 [#00194401]
Points: 3476 Status: Regular



"racism is discrimination + power to make that
discrimination effective, thats why the underdog can't be
racist "

uh.... hm... NO
u dont know what ur talking about
get it straight:

i dont know where ur getting this from

racism is (For the last fucking time):
"1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human
character or ability and that a particular race is superior

to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race. "

ur definition of racism is NOT racism
its related to racism, its caused by racism, but it in
itself is not racism

fuck, buy a fucking dictionary or something



 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:37 [#00194403]
Points: 11920 Status: Regular



Star Wars is a racist franchise. There has never been, and
would be impossible for a light saber to be black in color.
Telling america's youth and young-adults that African
Americans have no power to cut the barriers of oppression.


 

offline Loogie from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:37 [#00194404]
Points: 1371 Status: Lurker



animal you're totally correct

donkey you're totally wrong


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-04-26 00:38 [#00194405]
Points: 23533 Status: Moderator | Followup to cygnus: #00194391 | Show recordbag



LOL out cygnus last few posts.
V. good, shame the opposition lack the intellect to
appreciate good ironic humour eh?


 

offline donkey from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:38 [#00194407]
Points: 71 Status: Lurker



im not saying blacks cant be evil just that racism involves
INSTITUTIONALIZED power, like south africa pre 90's


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:39 [#00194408]
Points: 11920 Status: Regular



Smokehammer is most definitely a racist aswell. The usage of
the word "smoke" in his username gives the idea of the
burning of Jewish people during the holocuast.


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-04-26 00:40 [#00194409]
Points: 9083 Status: Regular | Followup to cygnus: #00194408



fuckwit


 

offline donkey from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:40 [#00194410]
Points: 71 Status: Lurker



a dictionary is a precis, to understand the term "racism"
you need to read a bit of social history etc


 

offline Loogie from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:40 [#00194411]
Points: 1371 Status: Lurker



it does seem that archrival, donkey etc have their own
definition of racism

and it's certainly not the correct one.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-04-26 00:40 [#00194412]
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Throughout this thread brother loogie has, as always, been
the voice of reason. Good to hear from you loogie, how you
keeping?


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:40 [#00194413]
Points: 11920 Status: Regular



Donkey is now twice as racist as he was prior to his last
post. Using the terms "black" and "evil" in the same
sentence is intended to make African Americans appear as
unpleasant in character.


 

offline Loogie from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:41 [#00194414]
Points: 1371 Status: Lurker



cygnus you're cracking me up!


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:42 [#00194416]
Points: 11920 Status: Regular



Dictionaries are racist. Never in my life have I flipped
through the pages of a dictionary with black pages. This is
an immature and subliminal joke on the sophisticated
language that is Ebonics.


 

offline Loogie from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:42 [#00194417]
Points: 1371 Status: Lurker



I'm well, you?
I was working in pontyclun recently, at south wales fire
service hq... is that near you?


 

offline smokehammer from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-04-26 00:44 [#00194419]
Points: 1463 Status: Lurker



AMinal... you are right literally

BUT > Racial discrimination only occurs effectively AGAINST
minority ethnic groups

its smug to suggest whites are victims in their own
countries. In fact that view feeds fuckers like Le Pen



 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-04-26 00:45 [#00194420]
Points: 23533 Status: Moderator | Followup to donkey: #00194410 | Show recordbag



What is "precis"?

Naturally dictionaries give biased definitions as they are
published by right ring white elitists who use their power
to stop the *true* meaning (donkey's) of racism getting to
the people.

Let's take the message on to the street:You need power to be
rascist! The white trash skinhead who kicks the shit out of
the powerful black businessman is not rascist because he is
less powerful. Do you see how silly your argument sounds
when you look at it this way round? You my friends seem to
be "colour blind" not in the sense of not distinguishing
between colours, but blinded by colurs- applying different
values and rules to people base don the colour of their
skins. YOU are in short being very rascist.


 

offline donkey from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:45 [#00194421]
Points: 71 Status: Lurker



racialism:
the belief that there are differences between human beings
which are inherited such that it they can be ordered into
separate races in such a way that each race shares traits
and tendencies which are not shared my members of any other
race. each race has an 'essence'.

all forms of racism build from the premise of racialism.
notice that racialism is not saying anything 'good' or 'bad'
about races just that mutually exclusive races absolutely
exist and divide the species.

extrinsic racism:
the extrinsic racist says that there is a moral component to
the 'essence' of a race which warrants differential
treatment. these differences are, to the extrinsic racist,
not particularly controversial.

intrinsic racism:
the intrinsic racist says that the moral 'essence' of a race
establishes an incontrovertable status for the race. no
matter what an individual member of a race does he should be
treated just like the rest of his race.



 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-04-26 00:47 [#00194422]
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I agree smoke, but the point he's making is that whilst they
(whites) aren't usually, they can be.

Loogie: Pontyclun is fairly local. Are you still on
soulseek, I haven't had a chance to add you back onto my
user list.


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:47 [#00194423]
Points: 11920 Status: Regular



Smokehammer is now an anti-semmite who also despises
muslims, and is a racist. The usage of the word "smug" is a
known acronym (created by the White Christian Coalition of
America) for Stupid Muslims Unbelieving in God. It is used
to communicate the presence of a Muslim during a hate-crime
in progress.


 

offline roygbivcore from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2002-04-26 00:47 [#00194424]
Points: 22557 Status: Lurker



white people suck


 

offline donkey from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:47 [#00194425]
Points: 71 Status: Lurker



what about speciesism then hey??


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-04-26 00:48 [#00194426]
Points: 9083 Status: Regular | Followup to smokehammer: #00194400



there smokehammer cygnus is the classic example of what
intellectualing and word play spawns..academia is not just
the province of liberals..any fuckwit can go and get
rudiments of education and then string rote vocabulary inot
opnions and POV's that the liberals can go..hmm..maybe he's
got a point..it's just a smoke screen..personally I think
cygnus is a racist fuck and would have come out as such if
you hadnt warped this thread with..deeper thoughts..racism
is a very emotional matter for both the racist and the
victim..it needs to be felt and dealt with at gut
level..only then the hurt would come across as much as the
hatred and anger and only then can people perhaps sit up and
take notice..


 

offline donkey from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:49 [#00194427]
Points: 71 Status: Lurker



what about gay hatred? and sexual harrasment


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:49 [#00194428]
Points: 11920 Status: Regular



RoyGBivcore is obviously the most racist person here.
Featured in his avatar are the colors of the rainbow impaled
on a WHITE stick.


 

offline donkey from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:50 [#00194430]
Points: 71 Status: Lurker



most people who say that blacks can't be racist mean to say
that blacks cannot and do not exert a system of control
against white people. blacks can't get whitefolks tracked
into inferior schools, for example. blacks can't deny
whitefolks access to capital, blacks cannot create a police
department policy that cracks down on whites.



 

offline urb from Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-04-26 00:51 [#00194431]
Points: 568 Status: Regular



the only one to get this thread right was cygnus. he should
get some points for that.

racialism? hehe.. that's a good one.


 

offline donkey from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:51 [#00194432]
Points: 71 Status: Lurker



so let me say three things in conclusion:
#1. there is absolutely no question that there are
blackfolks who are racist, and if given the opportunity and
power, would subject white people to the most profound
humiliation, degradation and suffering. in a heartbeat. but
they don't have the power, so you might as well ignore them
and save yourself a headache.

#2. there is absolutely no question that there are
whitefolks who are racist, and if given the opportunity and
power, would subject black people to the most profound
humiliation, degradation and suffering. in a heartbeat. but
they don't have the power, so you might as well ignore them
and save yourself a headache.



 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-04-26 00:51 [#00194433]
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Yes that's right we should go on "gut feeling" and resolve
this like animals, with physical violence- get it out of our
systems. How stupid, cygnus has made very good points and
done nothing to suggest he is rascist.

As to him creating an "intellectual smokescreen" his
parodies of white liberal nonsense show his disdain for such
things. I'm shocked at how the less people know, the more
they seem to be convinced they're right.


 

offline urb from Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-04-26 00:52 [#00194434]
Points: 568 Status: Regular | Followup to donkey: #00194427



gay hatred is so fucking gay.


 

offline Loogie from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:53 [#00194435]
Points: 1371 Status: Lurker



ceri jc: yeah still there, add me soon!

I think we need a quick science lesson:

there is ONE human species

there are many races

NOW THE IMPORTANT BIT: pay attention!

races are distinguiested by, wait for it, PHYSICAL
CHARACTERISTICS

nothing more


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:53 [#00194436]
Points: 11920 Status: Regular



Urb obviously hates racists.

This makes him a Racistist.


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-04-26 00:53 [#00194437]
Points: 3476 Status: Regular | Followup to smokehammer: #00194419



well i completely agree that our society and culture is very
racist..... and heavily in favour of white christian people,
and pitted against minorities of all types

BUT everyone can be a victom of racism
if a bunch of people beat the shit out of me on the way home
from school just cus im white, well then.....
i consider that being a victom of racism
and i would consider it effective as well



 

offline donkey from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:53 [#00194438]
Points: 71 Status: Lurker



3.
Therefore if Blacks exploited White people for economic gain
and then justified their exploitation on race then they
could also be racists. Here we point out that the acceptance
that only White people can be racist is to also accept
certain aspects of inferiority. Thus the admission that
Blacks by nature and not by circumstance are exploited
economically can maintain the exclusive nature of only White
racists.


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:55 [#00194439]
Points: 11920 Status: Regular



Ahp! Loogie's a racist too. Space, as we know it, is black.
And is only mentioned ONCE in her entire post. She also uses
the word "physical", trying to indicate that there is some
type of physical deformation in African Americans.


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-04-26 00:55 [#00194440]
Points: 3476 Status: Regular | Followup to AMinal: #00194437



it depends on how u mean effective

if u mean on a broad social scale.... oppressing groups of
people through racism, than ya, only the group in power can
do that

but i can still get the shit beat out of me on the way home
from school

so anyone can be a victom

BUT..... i know that white people definitly have it much
easier than most, and in our society we are heavily
favoured
this is bad
so, of course, in the broad scope of things, white people
are not victoms of racism in terms of how society treats us
(actually, we are, but its positive racism)

but we can also be victoms of negative racism too.... in
small incodents, etc

to think that those who "belong to" the group in power can
not be hurt is... well stupid

but i completely agree that society is in many ways racist
in favour of whites and against other minorites.....
im not some Le Pen, it offensive to be compared to him too


 

offline urb from Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-04-26 00:55 [#00194441]
Points: 568 Status: Regular | Followup to cygnus: #00194436



no you got it all wrong. I'm a gayist.


 

offline Loogie from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:56 [#00194442]
Points: 1371 Status: Lurker



sorry, distinguished that should say

donkey you've changed your tune, so now you're saying black
people CAN be racist?


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-04-26 00:56 [#00194443]
Points: 9083 Status: Regular | Followup to Ceri JC: #00194433



gut level mean feelings dumb ass..you cant know what a black
person is going through due to the ignorance..unless you
open your self to that channel ..empathize...otherwise you
will flipflop till you are nothing but a jumble of words..


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:56 [#00194444]
Points: 11920 Status: Regular



nobody is realizing what's going on


 

offline donkey from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:56 [#00194445]
Points: 71 Status: Lurker



black and white are not different physically, its just the
effect of sunshine. black people in cooler climes eventually
become white. and whites who liver in hot climes get darker
and darker


 

offline urb from Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-04-26 00:58 [#00194446]
Points: 568 Status: Regular | Followup to cygnus: #00194444



it's so gay.


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:58 [#00194447]
Points: 11920 Status: Regular



how much longer are you people going to go on?

did you forget the topic of this thread completely? did you
never consider that REFLEX knew you would all PERPETUATE A
THOUSAND+ YEAR OLD ARGUMENT?


 

offline donkey from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:59 [#00194448]
Points: 71 Status: Lurker



please, all white people here read this

http://www.theotherside.org/archive/sep-dec97/disturb.html


 

offline donkey from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:59 [#00194450]
Points: 71 Status: Lurker



REFLEX is a total racist, gun toting freak


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-04-26 01:00 [#00194451]
Points: 9083 Status: Regular | Followup to cygnus: #00194447



you are doing most of the perpetuating here..white boy!


 

offline B3n from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 01:00 [#00194452]
Points: 4700 Status: Lurker



Well, I haven't read all the posts, but to add my 2 pence..

I know plenty of afro carribeans here who are racist against
the asians....whether or not white people are racist to afro
carribeans is irrelevent (without sounding like i'm
trivialising the matter). It doesn't matter what colour you
are, any race can be racist and I completely disagree with
you archrival.


 

offline urb from Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-04-26 01:01 [#00194453]
Points: 568 Status: Regular



and it's not like anything of it is intelligent or anything
either.

the trolls are laughing their asses of now you know.. reflex
most of all


 


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