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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-25 21:42 [#00194151]
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the black panthers are more racist than the KKK and twice as incompetent
if they hate the government so much because "it's pure evil" then why don't they just leave?
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-25 21:42 [#00194153]
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or pump my fucking gas!
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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-04-25 21:45 [#00194156]
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uhhh.. well despite what people may think, blacks along with whites and other "colors" in the world can be racist.
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-04-25 22:03 [#00194173]
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i completely agree relfex
words aren't necessarily offensive, its the meaning WE GIVE them that is offensive
it all depends on how the words being used, just like u said
archrival: racism is discrimination or prejudice based on the colour of someone's skin, and thier ancestory, etc
why COULDN'T a black person be capable of this?
all people can be..... and there are people from every 'race' who are racist
to think that certain people can NOT be racist JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE BLACK is racist too!
i dont know how u cant see that
maybe u have a different definition of racism or something or maybe ur just in denial, i dunno
but.. ok: if i was black, and i hated persian people just cus they were persian.....
then i would be racist its as simple as that
ur saying i wouldn't be racist, just cus im black
THATS racism
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Archrival
on 2002-04-25 22:08 [#00194178]
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Arrghhh. How can I be a racist looking down ON OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE MORE "POWER" THAN ME???????
As I hope yall know, theres only one race and thats the human race.
The human can have different color of the skin....aight.
Aminal You are black (I hope), Reflex You are black (black reflect all colors white, black, yellow etc).
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Inverted Whale
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2002-04-25 22:10 [#00194181]
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There are two different meanings for "racism" according to my dictionary:
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
Archrival, your viewpoint is very controversial, it suggests to me that you think Blacks are an inferior race.
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-04-25 22:13 [#00194186]
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ok, i see what u are saying, but thats not racism thats just one application of it
if u hated me cus im white.... then u would be racist
you dont have to be richer than me to be racist towards me
u dont have to have power over me either
u just have to judge me by the colour of my skin thats what racism is
if i treat u BETTER, just cus ur a certian colour, then thast racism too
i dont have to be in a position of power over you to be racist towards you
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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-04-25 22:15 [#00194189]
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EXACTLY! blacks CAN and some ARE racist! How can it be otherwise? No one has the "power" over black people that I see.... I dont see that ever. My dictionary says the same thing as Inverted Whales. Again - nothing against Archrival...
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-04-25 22:18 [#00194196]
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even if blacks are discriminated against in our society (and i think they still are in many ways)
...they can still be racist
being in a position of power, or other having power of you, or being discriminated against, doesn't matter..
...if ur racist, ur racist
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Archrival
on 2002-04-25 22:24 [#00194202]
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Im a pretty strange "black man" (atleast thats what my friends think).
"Hey u know that black dude whos kinda crazy and listen to wack ass techno"......thats what I hear all the time...so whats my point???
yes, im a "strange", odd fellow whos part of a "cult" that I wont speak about in detail here (because then you all will think im more insane then you already think I am).
This crazy ass "cult" who im part of believes that REFLEX came from Archrivals sperm ;)
So now u know.
That was a little metaphor for yall to figure until tomorrow.
Peace
Goodnight
(Love yall, CYA tomorrow).
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urb
from Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-04-25 22:25 [#00194203]
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there's just so many trolls in here :)
'If racism sucks so does meritism. '
and people of certain 'races' are less/more meritous than other? could you be more fascist, please? oh, you're from italy, sorry.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-04-25 22:38 [#00194210]
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personally being brown I have been and seen every facet and side of this issue..you can say I get the best and the worst of everything that race relations have to offer..The most damaging is the institutionalized racism..I have been a frequent target of discrimination in just about every aspect of education and career..and that has left far too many scars on my psyche to be just ignored, dusted off, forgiven and accepted as I have frequently been advised to do...on the other hand..I have suffered head injuries in a racially motivated attack..so I think I have earned my goddamned right if suspect every other white person I meet of being a red neck white trash asshole and having my guards up in pubs and such..because I have certainly been called everything under the sun...and Sept 11 just made things that much better
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-04-25 22:43 [#00194217]
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but basically my point is that when I was in the States I had tons of Black co-workers I know the cliche..all of us reduced to minimum paying jobs..and I just didn't come across these stereotypes that you are talking of..Thes used to frequently call me my nigga or my sandnigga..and I called them nigga's too and it was all affectionate..some minded me calling them nigga's back and I made a mental note of that and didn't call em that the next time..I think it's really a very personal issue..everyone has a right to be offended and not be called a certain possibly offensive name by anyone they choose to take offense to...
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-04-25 23:06 [#00194254]
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I agree with Archrival that race is used by the capitalist beourgois elite as a tool to unite their (homogeneous race) proletariat behind their system/flag against persecutable sacpegoat outsiders with different skin and/or cultural identity , as a means of diverting attention from the real inequalities and evils of the class system.
Read Orwell or Chomsky and tell me this aint true.
There , that deepened the argument beyond whether blacks are racist or whether nigga is a racist word.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-04-25 23:22 [#00194277]
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hoity toity bullshit...intellectualling the issue has been the cause for the stunted response and lack of any real progress on the race issue from the mainstream culture in general and the average shmoo on the street in genral...it's alienating quality just renders any positive aspects of it null and void for the massess..I mean look what happende to the political correctness movement..there actually were some sound and reasonable ideas in there that just got wrapped up fifteen layers of bullshit by academia and became a laughing stock and thrown out the window..and all of the positive aspects of it along with it...I mean I have all the respect for ole Noam..and am a fan of what he does..but what good is telling someone with a basic mental block about accepting other races to go and read a philosophical social critique of it?..dumb aint it..
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urb
from Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-04-25 23:23 [#00194278]
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nothing is this easy. things are more complex than this.
go to the source. evil is evil and good is good. don't make up systems of 'bourgois elite' and 'races'.
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-04-25 23:37 [#00194300]
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urb>yes but the beourgois elite are the ones who preach what 'good' and 'evil' are in the first place.
flea>if you don't intellectualise, what do you suggest? PS "Political correctness" was not fucked up by academia, but rather a theory COINED by conservative political think-tanks originally in order to suppress true liberalist freedom of speech & action. IE it was always bullshit, not de-railed by "academics" as U say.
Also, the 'good ideas' wrapped up in the fifteen layers of bullshit are NOT /'political correctness'/ but the thing which 'political correctness' succeeds in making a laughing stock. Don't blame the academics, blame the politicians & their henchmen in the tabloid press.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-04-25 23:43 [#00194310]
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political correctness was 90% bullshit..and it was these so called liberals that it was meant to suppress that were out in force enforcing it and still are..if the next newage hippy came and asked me about persian rugs I am gonna put a friggin 357 right between their eyes...
feminazis any one?..arent they liberals?
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urb
from Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-04-25 23:44 [#00194314]
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what I'm saying is forget the about 'bourgois elite' and shit.
these are methods for simplifying the issue at hand, nothing else.
by generalising into groups like this you're making the same mistake as the 'racists'.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-04-25 23:48 [#00194321]
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I agree, I often wonder if modern "feminism" wan't made up by chauvanists to make people dislike/not listen to the views of feminists. The same can be applied to race issues. I'm sure there must be black people who found the fact that such a big deal was made that 2 black actors had got oscars offensive...
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-04-25 23:50 [#00194322]
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the oscars were a horror...and did Halle Barry forget Whopi's Oscar?
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donkey
from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-25 23:55 [#00194330]
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i hate the racism of white society
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-04-25 23:55 [#00194331]
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there are so many layers to this issue
'liberalism' means whatever you want it too. I am only a liberal in the sense that I believe people should be free to do what they want so long as it doesn't violate anyone else directly.
But then you get people argueing over what "violate" means and what "directly" means and shit. Maybe thats why we've got politicians in the first place. To order chaos and arrest our evolution....
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donkey
from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:04 [#00194341]
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reading this thoroughly, it seems REFLEX is just a plain racist scumbag
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-04-26 00:05 [#00194343]
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Why does your Tshirt make you look like a BNF member then? Just kidding. ;)
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donkey
from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:08 [#00194351]
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i hate the bnf, im not a racist, i know lots of blacks
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-04-26 00:10 [#00194352]
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liberals are just as much a stereotype as any..just as manufactured by the PR/media/Hype machines as any..when it comes to race relations liberals are worse than the racists...with a racist you know where you stand and just make a point of getting the fuck out of their way....the liberals worm their way in..bearing gifts and once accepted blossom into nauseating hybrid of condescention, unrepressed (white mans burden) guilt and a warped sense of cultural and intellectual superiority..they read a few books and they think they know everything about a culture and a place..they are worse at stereotyping than anyone..and are bewildered by the fact that an ethnic person living in a western country could actually enjoy indulging in the low art junk culture that it offers..
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donkey
from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:12 [#00194354]
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is this board infested with racists or something, it sucks really bad
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Loogie
from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:13 [#00194356]
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Well I've read some bullshit today...
To suggest that a person of particular skin colour / physical characteristics inherantly cannot be racist is a disgusting statement to make.
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-04-26 00:15 [#00194357]
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like i said , WTF IS a liberal ?
all liberal means is something like 'freedom' in its basic sense. to slag off 'liberals' is like slagging off trees because you fell out of one once .
If "Liberals" are those people whom people like Richard Littlejohn and other right wing populists
abhor so much, then I am proud to be one.
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donkey
from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:17 [#00194360]
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black people cant be racist, but they can be ignorant and misguided. only whites can be racist, because they represent the people in power
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-04-26 00:22 [#00194363]
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also are the chinese racists for "assimilating" Tibet ( ie..burying their culture ?)
so its not only whites , donkey.
But yes It would seem that REFLEX is just trying to find ways of voicing 'acceptable' racism via the backdoor...
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:23 [#00194364]
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i think we need to all remember something:
rac·ism (ra`sizm) n. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
does being black, white, hispanic, middle-eastern or asian prevent you from doing this?
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-04-26 00:25 [#00194365]
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there's that condescension again..you liberals just cant help yerself can you?
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-04-26 00:26 [#00194367]
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thanks. I think I needed to remember that.
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donkey
from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:27 [#00194369]
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yes your right smokey, whoever is dominant in a country- they are the only ones who can be racist. black people are the exception because of the way we treated them (slaves etc)
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:27 [#00194371]
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my point exactly.
defensive remarks like flea just made prolong arguments for decades. it's the same principle as racism, and there just isn't any reason for it at all.
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-04-26 00:28 [#00194372]
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"only whites can be racist, because they represent the people in power "
wtf?
u seem to be making up your OWN definition of racism cus racism has nothing to do with being in power or not
its simply discriminating or judging someone based only on the colour of their skin (or their ancestory, whatever)
one 'race' being in power is not racism on its own... its probably CAUSED BY racism, but that alone is not what racism is
racism is just: Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
it can be commited by people in and out of power
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-04-26 00:28 [#00194373]
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Why do you find it neccesary to mention you know a lot of black people?
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donkey
from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:29 [#00194375]
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because that proves im no racist, you accused me of being part of bnf
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-04-26 00:29 [#00194377]
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REFLEX is wrong..everyone has a right to be offended by a slur....so if a black person gets offended by being called a nigga by a white person..that white person should just shut the fuck up and apologize..or else dont complain if your head's kicked in.. you had been warned...same is true for a white person though..if they are un comfortable with being called a trailer trash..respect that and dont call him one...
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:30 [#00194379]
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Richard D. James is most obviosly racist because he has never produced an album with an African American.
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-04-26 00:31 [#00194381]
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u guys are just being stupid now
uve just made up ur OWN definition of racism..... i dunno why
why?
not that i disagree w/ u on the fact that whites UNFAIRLY dominate our society
but that doesn't make white people the only ones capable of racism
fuck, i CANT BELIEVE U PEOPLE!!! u dont even know what ur talking about
u dont even seem to know what racism is
what, r u completely ignorant, or r u just making up ur own definitions for the sake of arguing?!?!
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donkey
from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:31 [#00194382]
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aminal, racism is discrimination + power to make that discrimination effective, thats why the underdog can't be racist
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:32 [#00194385]
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AMinal is obviously racist because he did not mention the word Nigger in his last post. This should be considered a hate crime because he obviously does not care enough for African Americans to even mention the term.
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donkey
from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:32 [#00194387]
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its not my personal definition, its a widely accepted one.
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donkey
from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:33 [#00194389]
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so many racists here
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:34 [#00194391]
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Donkey is also racist.
In an abstract attempt to categorize black women and set them aside, he loosely uses the term "wide".
Negatively insinuating the size of the posterior-rectal section of an African American female.
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nanotech
from Sukavasti Amitaba Pureland (United States) on 2002-04-26 00:34 [#00194392]
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reach 100? huh?
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nanotech
from Sukavasti Amitaba Pureland (United States) on 2002-04-26 00:35 [#00194393]
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wuh?
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