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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 01:21 [#00194526]
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IDM is not exclusive to whites
ANti-Pop are IDM as far as i know
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-04-26 01:22 [#00194527]
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donkey, i wana know where u get off saying that
u basically said that im racist cus im whtie
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-04-26 01:22 [#00194528]
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you have valid points smoke..I have been down that road..but no amount of intellectualizing and Chomsky prevented me getting bashed in the head..I mean isn't it ironic that the biggest audience for Chomsky and his opnions is white..who then go on and make it their duty to convince the ethnic minority about how repressed and opressed they are..it's like kicking a man already down on his knees in the teeth..yes they are making some valid attempts..protests demonstrations..but as soon as you direct people to read their stuff..it just alienates them..for the lack of a better word..it's preaching to the converted..I think the goal is to reach the other 99 percent of the population..the right wing and the capitalist media has it down to an art form..appealing to the basest instincts and punching every emotional trigger there is..its time for the turely well intentioned liberal to fight back..fire with fire..appeal to the emotion and not the minds of the populace..because that's what they respond to the most..am I making any sense here?
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Loogie
from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 01:22 [#00194529]
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reflex, can't be bed time in canada yet, where are you?
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StueF
from St. Louis, Mo (United States) on 2002-04-26 01:23 [#00194531]
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yeah like the brits didn't subjugate anyone.... every culture fucked another at one time or another. shit most of the slaves that came out of africa were sold by their fellow (black) africans.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-04-26 01:23 [#00194532]
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Ignoring the rest of this debate, I find that statement increadibly offensive- you say that I kept black people in chains, I DID? I wasn't alive in the time of slavery. So what if my great great great grandfather may have? Am I somehow responsible for his actions BECAUSE I'M WHITE?
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 01:24 [#00194533]
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he's trying to regain control over his muscles from laughing his ass off so hard
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-04-26 01:24 [#00194534]
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Because black people CHOOSE not to listen to it?
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-04-26 01:24 [#00194536]
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nah I dont buy it..you just aint black..thas all..
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StueF
from St. Louis, Mo (United States) on 2002-04-26 01:25 [#00194537]
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o yeah
y did you have a picture of a "racist" white guy in ur profile?
doesn't make sense if u think all whites hate u..
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2002-04-26 01:25 [#00194538]
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Donkey, What do you call the shit that is happening in Uganda? Blacks in Power whites the minority etc check some history FULLY on Uganda, then you can spout your Half truth history bollox.
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donkey
from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 01:25 [#00194540]
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all whites are naturally racist, i dont blame you, you cant help it, if it was 300 years ago, youd all have us ebony people as slaves, no doubt.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 01:26 [#00194542]
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ROFL flea
now i'm not black
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-04-26 01:27 [#00194543]
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Yeah, it's really funny thinking about it- I don't have any close friends who are Welsh! Of my 2 best mates one is Jewish, the other zambian, another of my friends is american, several are chinese my flatmates are English and polish I've got french and german friends too.
Perhaps if I get a couple more ethnic friends to plug the gaps in my collection nobody will ever be able to accuse me of being rascist :)
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Loogie
from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 01:27 [#00194544]
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personally I'm more into techno, quite a lot of which could be classed intelligent and that aint white dominiated...
lets see
Juan Atkins Derrick May Kevin Sanderson Jeff Mills Claude Young Carl Craig Dave Angel etc etc
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 01:27 [#00194545]
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this is incredible
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-04-26 01:27 [#00194546]
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fuck, someone ban this guy
im not going to even try to argue with that
....ok, i will (briefly)
ur a moron
u really are
saying white people are naturally racist is as bad as saying that black people are naturally slaves
dont u see that!??!
seriously, u deserve to be banned i find ur statement extremely offensive and very racist
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donkey
from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 01:28 [#00194548]
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saying cygnus is not black is SO offensive, where do you get off saying that?
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donkey
from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 01:29 [#00194549]
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you want to ban me cos im black, thats sick
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-04-26 01:29 [#00194550]
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btw..what is ROFL?
and no I dont think you are black..I just think you dropped it into the conversation at a tad too convenient a spot...
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StueF
from St. Louis, Mo (United States) on 2002-04-26 01:29 [#00194554]
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damn troll
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-04-26 01:29 [#00194555]
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flea
"the peoples front of judea" (monty python) is what I am going to think about in relation to what you've said. Such absurd humour often says so much about human nature...
Were they appealing to hearts or minds ? I think the powers that be have corrupted the essence of Chomsky and become traitors like in Animal Farm... Our (UK) home secratary was talking about Britain being 'Swamped' by foreigners today. He represents the "Left-Wing' of British politics. What hope ....?
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donkey
from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 01:30 [#00194558]
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if your not racist why do you want to ban me?
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 01:30 [#00194559]
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hehe, yeah, but you know how cliche "I've got lots of black friends..." is =)
I know one jewish kid and an american girl and I myself am english through and through (unless you want to go back hundreds of years when my family line was persecuted out of france, hehe)
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Loogie
from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 01:31 [#00194561]
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who?
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StueF
from St. Louis, Mo (United States) on 2002-04-26 01:31 [#00194562]
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you want to hate me 'cause i'm white??? thats sick
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-04-26 01:31 [#00194563]
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Wondered how long before someone brought that up ;)
Donkey: If all white people are racist, why do I have black friends? Oh and do you mean just towards blacks or towards asians or towards caucassians from other countries?
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donkey
from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 01:32 [#00194564]
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i dont hate white people, i have many as friends, but white people are brought up to be racist
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-04-26 01:33 [#00194566]
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Because you're black obviously- he didn't try to ban you when he thought you were white, but now he knows you're black he wants to ban you.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-04-26 01:34 [#00194567]
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the new left..is capitalist bollix..we have a slightly revised version of it here..I like the fact that Chomsky gets under the collars of Corporations and the Establishment but applying his theories to the masses is counter productive....I dont know Mike Moore (of the shocking truth) has got the right Idea..he is on the right track with his campain
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donkey
from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 01:35 [#00194571]
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but many whites manage to suppress their racism, intellectually, but deep in them lies fear of the black man
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-04-26 01:35 [#00194572]
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Troll alert. All white people are racist? Fuck that. I don't even notice skin color. I was NOT brought up to be racist, that's for damn sure. And i didn't enslave you... don't blame me.
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-04-26 01:36 [#00194574]
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u stupid troll..
..i can only hope that was some sick joke (in which case it wasn't funny, especially give all the intelligent discussion that just went on)
saying white people are naturally racist is as bad as saying black people are naturally slaves
u wouldn't say THAT, would u? neither would i
u racist moron, im white and im definitely not racist in fact, very few (about.... 2) of my friends are even white
im not trying to play the "impress people with my multiculturalism" game here.... but ur statement was just ignorant and racist and ur a dumb fuck
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-04-26 01:37 [#00194576]
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michael moore is Very astute on welfare/worker/hierarchy politics in the USA
and the global economy but he does have Northern Ireland confused, and basically doesn't stop far short of saying he supports the IRA
I've read his book "Stupid white men" Its a good'un
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2002-04-26 01:38 [#00194577]
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You are just a sad thick cunt donkey. You're talking bollocks.
Take your sad arguments to your mother.
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 01:38 [#00194578]
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placing the blame on present and future generations just perpetuates it all anyway
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-04-26 01:39 [#00194582]
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well the geographic divide can be attributed to his ignorance on that matter..that is the point I have been making..nobody is perfect..everyone has a bias they cant let go of..very easily...
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donkey
from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 01:39 [#00194583]
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i have many white friends, good friends, and im not blaming u personally for slavery, but it is your kind that enslaved US!
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-04-26 01:39 [#00194584]
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and u cant hold people responsible for the actions of their ancestors...
u know what that is?
thats called racism, u moron
calling me racist cus other people who also happen to be white (who are not even close to related to me) used slavery is incredibly ignorant and offensive
i cant get over it
how can such ignorant, stupid people exist? the only explanation is that ur like 3 years old or something
u actually ahve to be stupid to be racist, imo cus the ideas dont add up logically... the beliefs make absolutely no sense
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Loogie
from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 01:39 [#00194585]
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I think we can safely say a certain person has just lost all credibility
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donkey
from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 01:40 [#00194588]
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all the racial hatred comes out now doesnt it?
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-04-26 01:40 [#00194589]
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I love it when new people come to a thread and give honest opinions (they aren't just arguing to get out of a hole they've dug themselves) that show the dull people they're wrong...
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 01:41 [#00194591]
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i can't believe i'm actually doing this:
http://cygnus_corp.tripod.com/asdfasdf.jpg
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-04-26 01:41 [#00194592]
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on that point and noticing that cygnus the black has suddenly disappeared I gotta bail too..cant believe everyone fell for his " I am black" shtick...
cheers
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-04-26 01:41 [#00194593]
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my "kind"?!?! now i belong to a KIND!?!?
what am i, a breed of dog or something?!?!
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urb
from Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-04-26 01:42 [#00194594]
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do you really believe that or is that what they taught you in school?
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StueF
from St. Louis, Mo (United States) on 2002-04-26 01:42 [#00194595]
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my kind?? US??
sounds like you were either raised to be racist or u r a troll
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 01:42 [#00194596]
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thats me. yes.
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donkey
from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 01:42 [#00194597]
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you attack me with such vitriol, just because im black
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-04-26 01:42 [#00194599]
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I like what EDDIE IZZARD said about the British empire ...
>OK men, this is India and its OURS ! >(Indian): what about us ? theres 500 million of us and we were here first !
> Ah, but do you have a flag ?
and so Britain took India . And took all their spices, food, minerals, silk and gold.
And left them a Billiard table.
:)
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